Mystery "Possibley" Solved - Major 0-60 Time Variations

my2004Z · 01-09-2010, 08:39 PM

Maybe someone else has covered this I'm too lazy to search for more than 10 minutes. I am convinced that the reason for such large variations in 0-60 and 1/4 mile times for magazines, car shows, and racers/drivers is the adaptive shift control on the 370Z, particularly the 7-speed automatic transmission. This might even be the reason for some of the "grinding" noises folks hear when stopping and the 7AT downshifts from 3-2-1.

Per WorldCarFans.com:
"The Adaptive Shift Control (ASC) is supposed to quicken the time between shifts to about 0.5 seconds, which may sound fine but it's something you most likely need to test on the road to see how well it really works."

My understanding is that the ASC monitors your driving habits for several minutes and starts adapting based on the drivers inputs. Is it possible that some of the tests are run with a few Sunday driver warm ups and not after flogging the car for 15 minutes or so? I notice a huge difference in the "kick" between shifts if I've been pushing my 370Z 7AT hard for a few minutes vs. driving like an old lady most of my 20 minute commute from work.

I'm just saying.... maybe this should be accounted for in the tests.
Anyone know of any tests isolating and measuring the ASC? Is this even something that can be tested?

azn370z · 01-09-2010, 08:47 PM

Most magazines test the 6 speed manual. I think there was one publication that tested the 7 speed automatic. And if they test the automatic they use the manual mode, which means it can be shifted just like a manual. The asc only matters in full auto mode.

my2004Z · 01-09-2010, 08:51 PM

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Originally Posted by azn370z

Most magazines test the 6 speed manual. I think there was one publication that tested the 7 speed automatic. And if they test the automatic they use the manual mode, which means it can be shifted just like a manual. The asc only matters in full auto mode.

Please site your source for this information. I'm trying to get information based on real data. Is this directly from Nissan or did you hear it from an expert on this topic?

TARDCORE · 01-09-2010, 08:57 PM

read the specs on the Z's that are tested. I can only think of one case where it was a 7AT and they recorded a 13.1 1/4 mile due the faster shifts. I think a 6MT can be launched better though. Break launching a car can only do so much where as a professional drag racer can launch the hell out of a manual. A while back there was a post about the 2010 Z06 having launch control. Well the professional driver chevy used to demonstrate recorded a FASTER 0-60 time than the launch control did. The problem with the variations is simple, Car and Driver are RETARDS and they test brand new cars that are not broken in. Everyone else has different drivers, different road conditions, different weather conditions, and everything that I can't think of that will affect the performance of a car. I would say mainly its a human error though.

edit: Alot of people always say "this car does 0-60 in XX seconds so it will beat this car." Yeah if you can achieve that time great, but I would say about 5% of the people who say that actually can. Maybe there is 1 or 2 people on this site but its a rare thing to come across someone on the street (not a track) who can squeeze every last bit of performance out the car they are driving. So I wouldn't worry about it just know the Z's competion and from there you can compare.

azn370z · 01-09-2010, 09:07 PM

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Originally Posted by my2004Z

Please site your source for this information. I'm trying to get information based on real data. Is this directly from Nissan or did you hear it from an expert on this topic?

In manual mode the transmission shifts in .5 seconds. In full auto mode the asc learns how you drive and will hold gears longer for more spirited drive or shift earlier for more mellow drive. This is my understanding.

my2004Z · 01-10-2010, 12:22 AM

I appreciate your understanding as that is mine too but I realized my understanding is based on someone elses understanding which was probably based on another person's understanding etc etc. Any Nissan mechanics know the true ins and outs of how the ASC influences any of this if at all?

m4a1mustang · 01-10-2010, 01:12 AM

The answers have already been provided.

shabarivas · 01-10-2010, 01:44 AM

seriously - dont get on a board - ask a question and tell people to eff off unless they are a nissan tech... why not just call your nissan dealer and be happy lol...

my2004Z · 01-10-2010, 08:50 AM

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Originally Posted by shabarivas

seriously - dont get on a board - ask a question and tell people to eff off unless they are a nissan tech... why not just call your nissan dealer and be happy lol...

I don't particularly trust my Nissan dealership and was hoping that someone on this site could answer this question quickly. I guess I'll look elsewhere but am not too motivated as my 370Z w/ 7AT is quick as hell in a straight line. I know from experience that it is faster than a bright yellow late model C5 Corvette... Sheesh, it sure is tough to contribute to this community!

chris410 · 01-10-2010, 09:53 AM

There are a lot of variables, do the testers adjust tire pressure? When I bought my 97 Supra turbo 6-speed I was able to get 13.4's on the OEM tires which beat out the 13.5's that were published. However, what helped is the fact that I lowered the tire pressure so I had a larger foot print. Same goes for the 6-speed, if you slip the clutch out (this works on any rear drive car) you will load the rear susprension and the car will launch better. The 7-AT is more consistent and will also benefit from loading the rear suspension a little as well...I've had my car in cool weather spin 1st through 3rd as I'm sure everyone else's car has done this as well yet, loading up the suspension makes a world of difference which are reflected in times.

Each review I've seen the tires sit and spin which tells me that is precious time being given up. I'm sure they follow a basic procedure however, with a little practice the magazine times can easily be beaten.

CBRich · 01-10-2010, 10:46 AM

Honestly OP, you kind of come off as a bit of an a**. If you don't like someone's response just politely ask for more information. It will get you a lot more help. Otherwise you can just accept the fact that no one here actually designed the transmission on the Z and leave.

UNKNOWN_370 · 01-10-2010, 11:11 AM

strongly with CHRIS410

chris410 · 01-10-2010, 12:27 PM

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Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370

strongly with CHRIS410

Why thank you!

370Zsteve · 01-10-2010, 12:39 PM

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Originally Posted by TARDCORE

read the specs on the Z's that are tested. I can only think of one case where it was a 7AT and they recorded a 13.1 1/4 mile due the faster shifts. I think a 6MT can be launched better though. Break launching a car can only do so much where as a professional drag racer can launch the hell out of a manual. A while back there was a post about the 2010 Z06 having launch control. Well the professional driver chevy used to demonstrate recorded a FASTER 0-60 time than the launch control did. The problem with the variations is simple, Car and Driver are RETARDS and they test brand new cars that are not broken in. Everyone else has different drivers, different road conditions, different weather conditions, and everything that I can't think of that will affect the performance of a car. I would say mainly its a human error though.

edit: Alot of people always say "this car does 0-60 in XX seconds so it will beat this car." Yeah if you can achieve that time great, but I would say about 5% of the people who say that actually can. Maybe there is 1 or 2 people on this site but its a rare thing to come across someone on the street (not a track) who can squeeze every last bit of performance out the car they are driving. So I wouldn't worry about it just know the Z's competion and from there you can compare.

+1

370Zsteve · 01-10-2010, 12:40 PM

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Originally Posted by my2004Z

I don't particularly trust my Nissan dealership and was hoping that someone on this site could answer this question quickly. I guess I'll look elsewhere but am not too motivated as my 370Z w/ 7AT is quick as hell in a straight line. I know from experience that it is faster than a bright yellow late model C5 Corvette... Sheesh, it sure is tough to contribute to this community!

Um, call another dealer?

01-09-2010, 08:39 PM	#1 (permalink)
my2004Z Enthusiast Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: New Mexico, USA Posts: 285 Drives: 09' 370Z w/Sport 7AT Rep Power: 37	Mystery "Possibley" Solved - Major 0-60 Time Variations Maybe someone else has covered this I'm too lazy to search for more than 10 minutes. I am convinced that the reason for such large variations in 0-60 and 1/4 mile times for magazines, car shows, and racers/drivers is the adaptive shift control on the 370Z, particularly the 7-speed automatic transmission. This might even be the reason for some of the "grinding" noises folks hear when stopping and the 7AT downshifts from 3-2-1. Per WorldCarFans.com: "The Adaptive Shift Control (ASC) is supposed to quicken the time between shifts to about 0.5 seconds, which may sound fine but it's something you most likely need to test on the road to see how well it really works." My understanding is that the ASC monitors your driving habits for several minutes and starts adapting based on the drivers inputs. Is it possible that some of the tests are run with a few Sunday driver warm ups and not after flogging the car for 15 minutes or so? I notice a huge difference in the "kick" between shifts if I've been pushing my 370Z 7AT hard for a few minutes vs. driving like an old lady most of my 20 minute commute from work. I'm just saying.... maybe this should be accounted for in the tests. Anyone know of any tests isolating and measuring the ASC? Is this even something that can be tested?

01-09-2010, 08:47 PM	#2 (permalink)
azn370z A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Seattle Posts: 1,722 Drives: z34 - R1 Rep Power: 490	Most magazines test the 6 speed manual. I think there was one publication that tested the 7 speed automatic. And if they test the automatic they use the manual mode, which means it can be shifted just like a manual. The asc only matters in full auto mode. __________________ 2010 k23 H&R sport springs / Spc rear camber arms / SSR SP1 / Berk cbe / Varis cf lip / Nismo S-Tune side skirts

01-09-2010, 08:57 PM	#4 (permalink)
TARDCORE Enthusiast Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: San Diego Posts: 410 Drives: 2010 Solid Red 370Z Rep Power: 16	read the specs on the Z's that are tested. I can only think of one case where it was a 7AT and they recorded a 13.1 1/4 mile due the faster shifts. I think a 6MT can be launched better though. Break launching a car can only do so much where as a professional drag racer can launch the hell out of a manual. A while back there was a post about the 2010 Z06 having launch control. Well the professional driver chevy used to demonstrate recorded a FASTER 0-60 time than the launch control did. The problem with the variations is simple, Car and Driver are RETARDS and they test brand new cars that are not broken in. Everyone else has different drivers, different road conditions, different weather conditions, and everything that I can't think of that will affect the performance of a car. I would say mainly its a human error though. edit: Alot of people always say "this car does 0-60 in XX seconds so it will beat this car." Yeah if you can achieve that time great, but I would say about 5% of the people who say that actually can. Maybe there is 1 or 2 people on this site but its a rare thing to come across someone on the street (not a track) who can squeeze every last bit of performance out the car they are driving. So I wouldn't worry about it just know the Z's competion and from there you can compare. __________________ XBL:EVENTYDE Last edited by TARDCORE; 01-09-2010 at 09:02 PM.

01-10-2010, 01:12 AM	#7 (permalink)
m4a1mustang A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Northern VA Posts: 55,385 Drives: on two wheels Rep Power: 6962	The answers have already been provided. __________________ - Steve Zs & Coffee - Saturdays at 10AM in Fairfax, VA and Columbia, MD (Click the banner!) LIKE us on Facebook!

01-10-2010, 09:53 AM	#10 (permalink)
chris410 Enthusiast Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Virginia Posts: 345 Drives: 10' GT500 Rep Power: 16	There are a lot of variables, do the testers adjust tire pressure? When I bought my 97 Supra turbo 6-speed I was able to get 13.4's on the OEM tires which beat out the 13.5's that were published. However, what helped is the fact that I lowered the tire pressure so I had a larger foot print. Same goes for the 6-speed, if you slip the clutch out (this works on any rear drive car) you will load the rear susprension and the car will launch better. The 7-AT is more consistent and will also benefit from loading the rear suspension a little as well...I've had my car in cool weather spin 1st through 3rd as I'm sure everyone else's car has done this as well yet, loading up the suspension makes a world of difference which are reflected in times. Each review I've seen the tires sit and spin which tells me that is precious time being given up. I'm sure they follow a basic procedure however, with a little practice the magazine times can easily be beaten. __________________ Chris Current: 2014 WRX Stage I + SPT / 2013 Hayabusa 202HP Former:09 370Z 7-AT PW/Ark Type 2 exhaust/Evo R lip/TSW Nurburgring carbon

01-10-2010, 12:22 AM	#6 (permalink)
my2004Z Enthusiast Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: New Mexico, USA Posts: 285 Drives: 09' 370Z w/Sport 7AT Rep Power: 37	I appreciate your understanding as that is mine too but I realized my understanding is based on someone elses understanding which was probably based on another person's understanding etc etc. Any Nissan mechanics know the true ins and outs of how the ASC influences any of this if at all?

01-10-2010, 01:44 AM	#8 (permalink)
shabarivas A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Sacramento, CA Posts: 2,188 Drives: 370z MB 6mt Rep Power: 914	seriously - dont get on a board - ask a question and tell people to eff off unless they are a nissan tech... why not just call your nissan dealer and be happy lol...

01-10-2010, 10:46 AM	#11 (permalink)
CBRich A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: SC Posts: 2,464 Drives: 370Z Rep Power: 544	Honestly OP, you kind of come off as a bit of an a**. If you don't like someone's response just politely ask for more information. It will get you a lot more help. Otherwise you can just accept the fact that no one here actually designed the transmission on the Z and leave.

01-10-2010, 11:11 AM	#12 (permalink)
UNKNOWN_370 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: ny'r livn in tx Posts: 8,687 Drives: well over 130m.p.h. Rep Power: 14858	strongly with CHRIS410