GT500 vs 370Z

m4a1mustang · 01-05-2010, 04:14 PM

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Originally Posted by theDreamer

Technically that is not true, from the factory you can have a GT with a supercharger (and not the GT500).

The next GT500 will be interesting with the 5.0L and the talk they will be using the ecoboost like in the Ford Taurus SHO.

The weight should stay about the same, too, since the 5L weighs about the same as the 4.6.

This car will surprise many, have no doubt.

NYBladeZ · 01-05-2010, 04:16 PM

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Originally Posted by theDreamer

Technically that is not true, from the factory you can have a GT with a supercharger (and not the GT500).

The next GT500 will be interesting with the 5.0L and the talk they will be using the ecoboost like in the Ford Taurus SHO.

Supercharger from the factory on a GT? Never been done, other than the GT500 no Mustang GT has ever come "from the factory" with a supercharger. Superchargers from the factory on mustangs are historically limited to SVT's (Cobras, GT500) only other options would be tuners such as Rousch at a premium dollar.

WICKED_GRIN · 01-05-2010, 04:29 PM

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang

The weight should stay about the same, too, since the 5L weighs about the same as the 4.6.

This car will surprise many, have no doubt.

I agree. 0 to 60 mph should be 4.6 seconds, maybe 4.5!

ZKindaGuy · 01-05-2010, 07:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Zsteve

Here is my take on this subject: The current GTs do 0 60 in about 5.2 and the Z in about 4.7. Now both of those times needs a very good driver, good tires and a well preped road to get those times. Most of us are doing around 5 secs so I would think the GT is doing around 5.5 on the average. With the GT being able do do that respectable time the V8 GT was not meant to be a MPG car, its just getting past its prime as our car will be in a year or two when the other guys start making theirs faster, like the 2011 GT. So we will probably see something that improves the Z in a couple of years. I kill GTs around here with the little zoom zoom we do. The GT500 IMO is not in our catagory, its a little above it right now. I was killing GTs in my chipped 2.0T 4 cyl. I will never own a mustang as they are too common, well maybe a Saleen.

If the GT's are prior to 2005 and your starting from a dig then I would believe you are "killing" GT's. But if the GT's are 2007 through 2009 I think you need to explain what you mean by "killing" because you certainly aren't "killing" them nor are you leaving them looking like their standing still. In 2007 the stock GT Vert had 3.55 gears and the coup 3.31 gears. In 2008 the Vert had stock 3.55 gears and the coup had stock 3.55 upon request at time of ordering. The 2009 GT Verts and Coups were running 3.55 gears stock. The 2007 GT Coups going to Shelby to be converted to Shelby GT's came from Ford with 3.31 gears but Shelby swapped them out for 3.55. Upon request and paying the net part cost difference 4.10's would be put in by Shelby. In short with the 3.55 or 4.10 gears you were NOT "killing" GT's running those gears. 3.55 would be head-to-head. With 4.10's the GT Mustang would be starting to pull away from you.

Sorry dude but I have owned and raced GT's, 350Z and 370Z and I will say you aren't "killing" GT's

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ZKindaGuy · 01-05-2010, 07:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Lug

When compared head to head on the same track the current Mustang and 370Z run within .1 of each other in both 0-60 and Quarter mile. The delivery and feel are totally different, but the times are what they are. Next year's Mustang is gonna add about 100 ponies to the mix, Z won't be anywhere near it at the track unless Ford screws the pooch and adds a megashiteton of weight like The Camaro and Challenger have. Z will be better at short track stuff like autocross but the track is out againt a 2011 Mustang without FI. I'll still take a 370Z over the new mustang any day of the week, but lets not kid ourselves about what each is good at.

But....but.....but.....ZSteve says he's KILLING GT's all the time......

m4a1mustang · 01-05-2010, 07:37 PM

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Originally Posted by ZKindaGuy

If the GT's are prior to 2005 and your starting from a dig then I would believe you are "killing" GT's. But if the GT's are 2005 through 2009 I think you need to explain what you mean by "killing" because you certainly aren't killing them nor are you leaving them looking like their standing still.

Sorry dude but I have owned and raced GT's, 350Z and 370Z and I will say you are full of pure

You aren't "killing" GT's.

I had an 03 that ran 13.9-14.0 stock. 4.10 gears dropped that to 13.5. The 370 would ultimately pull it, but I can say without a doubt that my GT was quicker than my Z from a dig. From a roll would be another story, though, as we are talking 332+ to around 270hp.

As far as superchargers go, you can order your new 2010 GT with a blower. It's a FRPP kit that is usually dealer-installed before you take delivery. It's fully tuned and warranty supported.

ZKindaGuy · 01-05-2010, 08:02 PM

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang

I had an 03 that ran 13.9-14.0 stock. 4.10 gears dropped that to 13.5. The 370 would ultimately pull it, but I can say without a doubt that my GT was quicker than my Z from a dig. From a roll would be another story, though, as we are talking 332+ to around 270hp.

As far as superchargers go, you can order your new 2010 GT with a blower. It's a FRPP kit that is usually dealer-installed before you take delivery. It's fully tuned and warranty supported.

As I said the GT's before 2005 I would believe the Z to pull but NOT "Kill". BTW the 03 GT's were making about 260 to the wheels not 270. The 2005 made about 265 to 270 to the wheels. The 2006 averaged about 275 to 279 to the rear wheels. The Shelby GT's were putting down 282 to 286 to the wheels...with an occasional Shelby GT freak putting 290 to 292 to the wheels.

I would say that the best claims that can be truthfully made by a Z owner is that they were trading noses with the later GT's from 2006 to 2009...they certainly were not "killing" them. ANother FACT...the 2010 Mustang GT's are about 2 to 4 HP short of what the Shelby GT's are making to the wheels.

Zsteve · 01-05-2010, 09:19 PM

I dont know stangs well enough to know them by years but I do know that Im beating the new style stangs which I guess could be the 05 to 09s??? and I pull on them very quickly and by the time we hit 80 -90 (which is where I usually cut it off for safety reasons LOL) Im more than a car ahead. Now I dont doubt I can do that to the 2010 but I havent gone against one yet that I know of. Im sure the 2010 will be about even with our Z. I can only say about the ones I ve had a go with what ever their year was. Take it for what its worth.

m4a1mustang · 01-05-2010, 10:01 PM

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Originally Posted by ZKindaGuy

As I said the GT's before 2005 I would believe the Z to pull but NOT "Kill". BTW the 03 GT's were making about 260 to the wheels not 270. The 2005 made about 265 to 270 to the wheels. The 2006 averaged about 275 to 279 to the rear wheels. The Shelby GT's were putting down 282 to 286 to the wheels...with an occasional Shelby GT freak putting 290 to 292 to the wheels.

I would say that the best claims that can be truthfully made by a Z owner is that they were trading noses with the later GT's from 2006 to 2009...they certainly were not "killing" them. ANother FACT...the 2010 Mustang GT's are about 2 to 4 HP short of what the Shelby GT's are making to the wheels.

99-04s made 260 at the flywheel. The manuals dynod around 230. I said 270 flywheel because that's about what the CBE was good for on mine.

ZKindaGuy · 01-06-2010, 12:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Zsteve

I dont know stangs well enough to know them by years but I do know that Im beating the new style stangs which I guess could be the 05 to 09s??? and I pull on them very quickly and by the time we hit 80 -90 (which is where I usually cut it off for safety reasons LOL) Im more than a car ahead. Now I dont doubt I can do that to the 2010 but I havent gone against one yet that I know of. Im sure the 2010 will be about even with our Z. I can only say about the ones I ve had a go with what ever their year was. Take it for what its worth.

That is precisely why I said I think you really need to clarify what you mean when you use the word "killing" as the context of your post makes it sound like you were bitch-slapping all of them around with absolute ease...and that is what I take exception to...I know that context just isn't so with the 2006 through 2009 GT models. Anything before that I would say you probably were bitch-slapping them with ease.

Lug · 01-06-2010, 12:31 PM

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Originally Posted by NYBladeZ

This debate will always rage on, Mustang guys don't like Z's, Z's don't like Mustangs. Anyways, concerning the 2011 Mustang yes it is making 412 at crank with the new aluminum 5.0 v8. However, it will still weigh more than the outgoing GT early estimates range from 3600-3800 pounds. Mustangs are heavy, simple fact, no matter how much aluminum they sneak in. Lastly, you cannot discuss Mustangs without bringing up the live axle. The live axle is the #1 reason why Z's are superior in feel and track results. If I had to guess I'd say the 2011 Mustang GT will probably do around mid to low 13's. Ford is not going to mass produce a car that is comparably fast to the GT500 at a fraction of the price and no stock Mustang GT in Ford's history has broken 13's.

Even if the 2011 Mustang is 3800lbs, it will break 13's easy, probably around 12.8. If Ford can really get it at 3500, it should be closing in on 12.5's. In general greater displacement also means torque per HP. Ford's problem may be more getting a good hookup than power.

ZKindaGuy · 01-06-2010, 03:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Lug

Even if the 2011 Mustang is 3800lbs, it will break 13's easy, probably around 12.8. If Ford can really get it at 3500, it should be closing in on 12.5's. In general greater displacement also means torque per HP. Ford's problem may be more getting a good hookup than power.

I agree with you totally in regards to your observation of hookup and power. The Ford modular 4.6 in the 06 to 09 Mustang GT models make 300 ft-lbs of wheel torque in stock configuration. When the torque curve begins its drop the HP is still increasing to reach its peak.

The problem is the torque is all there at launch with Mustangs that the clutch has to be feathered into the launch off the line in order to get the tires to hook right away. And this takes an experienced driver to be able to consistently hook more often than not.....not some weekend wannabee...and certainly not by some puzzy-azz rolling start.

As I said before and I'll say it again...the best anyone owning a stock Z can say is that on any given run a stock Z or a stock Mustang GT (06-10) can win and most of the time they will be trading noses the majority of a race. There is NO KILLING of a Mustang GT (06-10) by a Z.

Red370 · 01-06-2010, 05:20 PM

Figured i'd chime in with my .02, my car club usually does drag race night once a month at the local strip, so far I myself, have raced 3 current generation mustang gt's, havent lost yet with my best win being a full second faster, probably a bad driver, but they were all pretty simple wins. I consider a full second "killing" to be honest, but like I said, he probably wasnt the best driver. If you want to have a numbers battle, the Z outperforms the GT from 0-60 Acceleration, 1/4 mile, Slalom, Skid pad, etc. Here is a vid for confirmation. If i'm not mistaken, that is a 2010 GT.

YouTube - Drag Race - Genesis Coupe, 370Z, Mustang GT

the article.

http://motortrend.automotive.com/104...onclusion.html

and if you're in for numbers..

http://motortrend.automotive.com/104...test-data.html

WICKED_GRIN · 01-06-2010, 05:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Red370

Figured i'd chime in with my .02, my car club usually does drag race night once a month at the local strip, so far I myself, have raced 3 current generation mustang gt's, havent lost yet with my best win being a full second faster, probably a bad driver, but they were all pretty simple wins. I consider a full second "killing" to be honest, but like I said, he probably wasnt the best driver. If you want to have a numbers battle, the Z outperforms the GT from 0-60 Acceleration, 1/4 mile, Slalom, Skid pad, etc. Here is a vid for confirmation. If i'm not mistaken, that is a 2010 GT.

YouTube - Drag Race - Genesis Coupe, 370Z, Mustang GT

the article.

2010 Ford Mustang GT vs 2010 Hyundai Genesis Coupe vs 2009 Nissan 370Z - Conclusion - Comparison | 2010 Hyundai Genesis Review at Automotive.com

and if you're in for numbers..

2010 Ford Mustang GT vs. 2010 Hyundai Genesis Coupe vs 2009 Nissan 370Z - Specs and Test Data - Comparison | 2010 Hyundai Genesis Review at Automotive.com

I’ll be waiting for your .02 when the 2011 5.0 arrive!

Red370 · 01-06-2010, 05:59 PM

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Originally Posted by WICKED_GRIN

I’ll be waiting for your .02 when the 2011 5.0 arrive!

Roxy will be packin a GTM or Stillen supercharger by then, im not too worried

Already got 8k saved specifically for it.

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Zsteve A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: TX Posts: 3,298 Drives: the 2 balled club Rep Power: 22	I dont know stangs well enough to know them by years but I do know that Im beating the new style stangs which I guess could be the 05 to 09s??? and I pull on them very quickly and by the time we hit 80 -90 (which is where I usually cut it off for safety reasons LOL) Im more than a car ahead. Now I dont doubt I can do that to the 2010 but I havent gone against one yet that I know of. Im sure the 2010 will be about even with our Z. I can only say about the ones I ve had a go with what ever their year was. Take it for what its worth. __________________ 2010 LS3 C6 Silver coupe corvette

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Red370 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Kaiserslautern, Germany Posts: 4,391 Drives: your mom to church Rep Power: 296	Figured i'd chime in with my .02, my car club usually does drag race night once a month at the local strip, so far I myself, have raced 3 current generation mustang gt's, havent lost yet with my best win being a full second faster, probably a bad driver, but they were all pretty simple wins. I consider a full second "killing" to be honest, but like I said, he probably wasnt the best driver. If you want to have a numbers battle, the Z outperforms the GT from 0-60 Acceleration, 1/4 mile, Slalom, Skid pad, etc. Here is a vid for confirmation. If i'm not mistaken, that is a 2010 GT. YouTube - Drag Race - Genesis Coupe, 370Z, Mustang GT the article. http://motortrend.automotive.com/104...onclusion.html and if you're in for numbers.. http://motortrend.automotive.com/104...test-data.html __________________ 2011 Mustang 5.0 \| 3.55's \| Lethal Performance off road H-Pipe \| Magnaflow Muffler Delete \| JLT CAI/Bama tuned 417whp/ 404 ft/lbs Last edited by Red370; 01-06-2010 at 05:28 PM.