BMW Z4M Coupe --> 370Z ??

serge · 03-02-2010, 10:05 AM

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Originally Posted by meldazii

the tt v6 has 250 hp.
the 2010 z4 has 300hp and is twin turbo
ive driven the z4mc and a 09 370z the z4m with proper tires(not the conties) is a truly unbelieveable car in the bends, so to is the 370 but the better m diff in the z dose a better job, both are realy great cars and the z4m is faster but not by much. i will be picking my z4mc up within the next month. my vote is for the z4m but to everyone there own...

1. The N54 BMW engine is a 3 liter TT Inline-6, not a V6

2. It has 300 bhp, not 250.

3. The official 300 bhp figure is underated. It's more like 330-340 bhp, according to dynos.

4. The 2010 Z4 has 335 hp, not 300 hp.

WICKED_GRIN · 03-02-2010, 10:11 AM

^^ true

Zsteve · 03-02-2010, 12:18 PM

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Originally Posted by JACKPAC

BMW's tt's are small and are used to add power without turbo lag (and they do a very good job at it). They are running minimal boost so not to steal all their M3 sales. Of course for a few hundred bucks you can easily increase your HP and torque to insane levels. Look up JB3, juicebox, etc... there are many.

Still a V6 TT with only 300 HP is bad IMO. They should have tuned it to 350 or more stock. I know the turbos are small, I had an Audi TT with a single turbo and it was small so boost was on real early but that was a 4 cyl with one turbo and it made 200 hp (250+ with a chip, TBE). An extra 2 cyls and an extra turbo should net 350 at least. But Im sure the chip will do it some good but man thats kinda hard to bragg about when a NA V6 has more HP.

WICKED_GRIN · 03-02-2010, 12:30 PM

^^ it's a I6...as in a straight "6"...as stated above!!

Zsteve · 03-02-2010, 12:59 PM

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Originally Posted by WICKED_GRIN

^^ it's a I6...as in a straight "6"...as stated above!!

Im dont know enough about straight 6s to know how that effects things.

phantom21 · 03-02-2010, 01:17 PM

(looking at porn)

Err: Oh man, you gotta check this out.

Meatwad: Oh yeah baby, that's a neat car she's washing. You think that's a straight 6?

Err: I think I have a straight 6.

Ignignokt: Ooooo. Err, your sexual innuendo is priceless.

Sorry, couldnt resist.

nextbesthing · 03-02-2010, 03:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zsteve

Still a V6 TT with only 300 HP is bad IMO. They should have tuned it to 350 or more stock. I know the turbos are small, I had an Audi TT with a single turbo and it was small so boost was on real early but that was a 4 cyl with one turbo and it made 200 hp (250+ with a chip, TBE). An extra 2 cyls and an extra turbo should net 350 at least. But Im sure the chip will do it some good but man thats kinda hard to bragg about when a NA V6 has more HP.

Like serge stated, it is more like 330-340 hp. BMW just under rated it. They are fast, def more than 300hp

Zsteve · 03-02-2010, 03:51 PM

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Originally Posted by nextbesthing

Like serge stated, it is more like 330-340 hp. BMW just under rated it. They are fast, def more than 300hp

Thas sounds better, and with the chip Im sure they are even quicker with all that low end TQ. They probably have more TQ than HP with the chip.

Mike · 03-02-2010, 06:58 PM

going to look into ordering my wife's for euro delivery tomorrow.

JACKPAC · 03-02-2010, 08:30 PM

Another positive with the N54 engine is that torque is maxed from like 1250 rpm to redline.

CrownR426 · 03-02-2010, 08:42 PM

You are going to love the z!
Turn off vdc when you go for a test drive!
>:]

ebruder · 03-02-2010, 10:00 PM

I went to the Cleveland auto show this past Sunday. The Cleveland show has always been a big one as this area is second to Detroit in automotive businesses. The turn out was huge, with most marques having large displays (BMW's was an exception with a very small display).

I talked at length with a Nissan specialist who really knew the 370Z (or at least seemed so to me). He punted on my question about over heating if the car was tracked and gave me Nissan's tech support phone number for further conversation.

The car would be my daily driver and occasional track and auto-X car. He seemed to say that car was designed for spirited driving, but not a track weekend. This statement was really soft, as the 370Z is a sports car, and I am not talking about racing, but a few "Driver's Education" weekends. He was still hesitant.

When I asked about the NISMO, he said that was much more like my ///MCoupe and should be fine on the track, but he advised against the car by saying he wouldn't trade 5 days/week of comfortable driving for spirited weekend or track time.

With all his expertise, he didn't inspire confidence.

Any thoughts or comments?

BTW, the Lotus Evora was the star of the show to me. Wow!, but expensive. The dealer has 12 coming in and 3 are pre-sold, but at 2.5 time the price of a 370Z.

Thanks.

EB

nuTinmuch · 03-02-2010, 10:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CrownR426

You are going to love the z!
Have your friend turn off vdc when you go for a test drive!
>:]

Fixed!

Mike · 03-02-2010, 10:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ebruder

I went to the Cleveland auto show this past Sunday. The Cleveland show has always been a big one as this area is second to Detroit in automotive businesses. The turn out was huge, with most marques having large displays (BMW's was an exception with a very small display).

I talked at length with a Nissan specialist who really knew the 370Z (or at least seemed so to me). He punted on my question about over heating if the car was tracked and gave me Nissan's tech support phone number for further conversation.

The car would be my daily driver and occasional track and auto-X car. He seemed to say that car was designed for spirited driving, but not a track weekend. This statement was really soft, as the 370Z is a sports car, and I am not talking about racing, but a few "Driver's Education" weekends. He was still hesitant.

When I asked about the NISMO, he said that was much more like my ///MCoupe and should be fine on the track, but he advised against the car by saying he wouldn't trade 5 days/week of comfortable driving for spirited weekend or track time.

With all his expertise, he didn't inspire confidence.

Any thoughts or comments?

BTW, the Lotus Evora was the star of the show to me. Wow!, but expensive. The dealer has 12 coming in and 3 are pre-sold, but at 2.5 time the price of a 370Z.

Thanks.

EB

I track mine quite a bit.
Absolutely necessary is an oil cooler, whether or not you get the Nismo version. Also, it does tend to stall out in hard right turns with less than 3/4 tank of gas on the track, even earlier with R compounds.

Other than that, its a great track car.

Parrotguy · 03-02-2010, 11:48 PM

I am on my second Z4, 6 years, and the lease expires on my '07 in April. The new Z4 is gorgeous, and imho has three issues - its overpriced, if you look at how poorly these cars are dropping in value, the trunk is pretty much useless, and the options are way overpriced (and they downgraded the audio system this year, so you have to buy the premium audio (another $1800). The Boxster is a better choice as a pure sports car, it drives better in every respect and costs about the same, depending on how you equip it. I still love the new Z4 though. Killer styling.
However I'm ordering a 370Z Touring roadster instead. BMW is not bending on the price yet, but they will. The Z4's are not selling (see the numbers on the Bimmerfest forum) they were knocking $10,000 off the leftover '09s, gave up on the '10s, and are now only making '11s. Guys on the Z4 board were shocked to find out what there cars are worth now. (I'm glad I don't have to sell or trade mine). The 370 has a great driving feel, very similar performance (but only if you chose the more expensive twin turbo Z4) and can be purchased at near invoice, so about $10,000 less than the BMW. A new Z4 with wicked CA taxes, license, & insurance, say adios to about $60,000 all in. If I was prepared to spend that much it would be a Boxster. I struggled with the same decision for the last three months and read just about everything written on these two cars. I came down on the value side. If B of A stock hits $50 maybe I'll go German again. Make sure you drive each car more than once.

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ebruder Base Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Suburban Cleveland Posts: 20 Drives: Z4M Coupe 928S4 Rep Power: 15	Update re: Z4M Coupe ---> 370Z I went to the Cleveland auto show this past Sunday. The Cleveland show has always been a big one as this area is second to Detroit in automotive businesses. The turn out was huge, with most marques having large displays (BMW's was an exception with a very small display). I talked at length with a Nissan specialist who really knew the 370Z (or at least seemed so to me). He punted on my question about over heating if the car was tracked and gave me Nissan's tech support phone number for further conversation. The car would be my daily driver and occasional track and auto-X car. He seemed to say that car was designed for spirited driving, but not a track weekend. This statement was really soft, as the 370Z is a sports car, and I am not talking about racing, but a few "Driver's Education" weekends. He was still hesitant. When I asked about the NISMO, he said that was much more like my ///MCoupe and should be fine on the track, but he advised against the car by saying he wouldn't trade 5 days/week of comfortable driving for spirited weekend or track time. With all his expertise, he didn't inspire confidence. Any thoughts or comments? BTW, the Lotus Evora was the star of the show to me. Wow!, but expensive. The dealer has 12 coming in and 3 are pre-sold, but at 2.5 time the price of a 370Z. Thanks. EB

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