End of an era

Desert Rat · 06-04-2018, 03:33 PM

5th Z with this one. 73 240Z, a pair of '83 turbo ZXs, and an 85 NA car....

this one just needs T Tops...lol

I like the car as is too, but 10-11 years without a refresh in today's day and age just shows Nissan's neglect for anything enthusiast related.

could be worse...Frontier is coming up on 15 years basically unchanged.

It reflects in their sales too. Nissan is just into making transportation appliances. The Rogue and Altima (both crap) are the bread and butter for the company.

Probably just as well. If they freshened the Z, they'd probably put a f#$%king CVT in it anyways....

Bubbaloo · 06-04-2018, 03:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Desert Rat

5th Z with this one. 73 240Z, a pair of '83 turbo ZXs, and an 85 NA car....

this one just needs T Tops...lol

I like the car as is too, but 10-11 years without a refresh in today's day and age just shows Nissan's neglect for anything enthusiast related.

could be worse...Frontier is coming up on 15 years basically unchanged.

It reflects in their sales too. Nissan is just into making transportation appliances. The Rogue and Altima (both crap) are the bread and butter for the company.

Probably just as well. If they freshened the Z, they'd probably put a f#$%king CVT in it anyways....

Hey bro. CVT is lit.

Lol?

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trbo1007 · 06-04-2018, 04:46 PM

The Z is like a Ferrari. You don’t see them every day. At least not in my neck of the woods.

Benibiker · 06-04-2018, 05:29 PM

The 370z is that old car you always wanted but can still get as a new car.

Larso1 · 06-05-2018, 01:33 AM

No one seems to complain about the VW Golf/GT-I looking basically the same since 1974. And the Porsche 911 and it's descendents since 1966 (I mean, the profiles are nearly identical). Based on that, I think I can live with the same body style for the 370z over a 10 year period.

Thesmoke90 · 06-05-2018, 11:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Larso1

No one seems to complain about the VW Golf/GT-I looking basically the same since 1974. And the Porsche 911 and it's descendents since 1966 (I mean, the profiles are nearly identical). Based on that, I think I can live with the same body style for the 370z over a 10 year period.

Good point.

Shoeshear · 06-05-2018, 01:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Larso1

No one seems to complain about the VW Golf/GT-I looking basically the same since 1974. And the Porsche 911 and it's descendents since 1966 (I mean, the profiles are nearly identical). Based on that, I think I can live with the same body style for the 370z over a 10 year period.

Yeah, but I'm not sure the same can be true with all cars. When the cars are styled relatively subtly and they make incremental, but noticeable changes continuously over the years, I think the car can still feel fresh. Both 911s and GTIs have had their fair share of changes, but usually in relatively small styling cues and size (since everything seems to be getting bigger). But both of these cars are relatively neutral in design, nothing particularly aggressive or stand-out about them.

I think the Z has relatively aggressive styling and could go either way as far as aging well goes. So far, I still think it looks great, even if the interior needs a bit of an update (but the driver-centric layout of the interior is fantastic) as it still stylistically feels mid 2000s Japanese production.

This is all just my random opinion of course, feel free to feel otherwise haha.

Nixin · 06-05-2018, 02:24 PM

Subtle tweaks and revisions to the engine, transmission and the interior, especially the gauges, would be welcomed in the Z. I think the body style is aging well.

Volk Z · 06-05-2018, 02:38 PM

They have the VR30DTT... I mean put that in the Z and call it a day... People will flock to trade their Z in.
Small subtle tweak Im not trading or selling mine to upgrade 10hp or some lame deal they do normally. Or add a piece of vinyl and think that will sell me.

Shoeshear · 06-05-2018, 04:08 PM

I'm curious as to why they wouldn't just rebadge and adjust the Q60 to be a Z? Like G37 to 370z. Bring down the interior decor a little, make the seats a bit more aggressive, put in a standard gearbox, call it a day.

wanker · 06-05-2018, 04:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Shoeshear

I'm curious as to why they wouldn't just rebadge and adjust the Q60 to be a Z? Like G37 to 370z. Bring down the interior decor a little, make the seats a bit more aggressive, put in a standard gearbox, call it a day.

It's not the design, but the remanufacturing costs that keep Nissan from relaunching a new Z.

In order to put out a new Z, Nissan will have to re-tool its factory, and get its suppliers up to speed, etc. etc. It's a huge upfront investment, for a car that will sell less than 10,000 units in the USA a year. The 2-seater sports car is a dying market, so the powers that be in Nissan (aka Renault) cannot justify the upfront cost. That's why the BRZ/RF-S is on its way out, and the Supra is taking it's sweat time toward a release.

Blame the Millennials.

Shoeshear · 06-05-2018, 05:31 PM

Rather than retool entirely, wouldn't it make sense to sell the identical car with only slightly revised bodywork to minimize costs (a different bumper and side skirts or headlights, but otherwise identical)? BRZ and FRS are on the way out, but they've been on the market for a few years right. I'm sure people have gotten their fill of low power RWD cars that aren't quite as good as a Miata, but are still painful as a daily (IMO, I found the car to not have anything that wow-ed me in any aspect).

I'm saying basically sell the Q60 with a manual transmission and badge it as a Z. Don't even have to take the rear seats out, you could bring it back as a 300ZX refresh. Simply to keep the Z alive.

Edit: PS, don't blame all the millennials. I'm technically one. Plenty of us still like cars, just not a lot.

KCZ · 06-05-2018, 08:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Shoeshear

Rather than retool entirely, wouldn't it make sense to sell the identical car with only slightly revised bodywork to minimize costs (a different bumper and side skirts or headlights, but otherwise identical)?

I'm saying basically sell the Q60 with a manual transmission and badge it as a Z. Don't even have to take the rear seats out, you could bring it back as a 300ZX refresh. Simply to keep the Z alive.

Retooling nearly anything structural means Nissan has to go through the process to pass US safety standards again, which is not a trivial thing. And I don't want a rebadged Q60 with rear seats for the next Z. I think they're dragging their feet, will come up with a re-painted, re-trimmed, and re-badged 50th anniversary model, then kill the Z off.

Shoeshear · 06-05-2018, 11:34 PM

Sad... If they end up killing the Z, hopefully either the cars get cheap, everyone buys one, the aftermarket flourishes and there will be cool development. Or maybe, cars get a little cheaper, people realize it is a cool car with some character, and they become prized. Either way, I'd be happy.

But I suppose the third option and perhaps most likely, is that they kill the Z, no one cares except us, the aftermarket dies, and it becomes a car that people only remember when they see it on the road and is seen as the weird/interesting sports car Nissan used to make. GG no RE...

Baronsmokes · 07-20-2018, 11:33 AM

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I revel in owning a Z.
The body style is a home run.
How many times have you turned and looked at your Z or had comments from strangers.

The 370Z is a classic car that you can buy restored as in brand new.
You can pick up low mile cars at great prices.

Being that the car has not changed much you can do so many modifications to the car at reasonable prices to be more competitive with competition.

Yes, the car needs an update in performance and technology.That will be for a new Z model.(Z35)

For now I enjoy my Classic roadster.

A lot of people complain about the Z being outdated.I bought the Z because I like the Classic RWD Sports Car.

I'm probably late to the party on seeing this R8.

I thought it was interesting that high tech Audi puts out 2018 R8 V10 RWS.

Rear wheel drive and naturally aspirated engine.

People must want a classic style sports car or Audi would not have built.

Enjoy you Z.

06-04-2018, 04:46 PM	#33 (permalink)
trbo1007 Base Member Join Date: Oct 2017 Location: Upstate, SC Posts: 85 Drives: 18 370Z SpTh PW M6 Rep Power: 29	The Z is like a Ferrari. You don’t see them every day. At least not in my neck of the woods. sunkist350z and HEK like this.

06-04-2018, 05:29 PM	#34 (permalink)
Benibiker Base Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Honolulu Hawaii Posts: 235 Drives: Red 17 370Z Touring Rep Power: 16	The 370z is that old car you always wanted but can still get as a new car. danegrey, marty31, Asus_ and 9 others like this. __________________ 2017 Pure Red 6MT 370Z Touring

06-05-2018, 01:33 AM	#35 (permalink)
Larso1 Base Member Join Date: Nov 2015 Location: Pueblo CO Posts: 98 Drives: 12 Nissan 370Z T M6 Rep Power: 10	No one seems to complain about the VW Golf/GT-I looking basically the same since 1974. And the Porsche 911 and it's descendents since 1966 (I mean, the profiles are nearly identical). Based on that, I think I can live with the same body style for the 370z over a 10 year period. Spooler, Nixin, envisous and 5 others like this. Last edited by Larso1; 06-05-2018 at 01:36 AM.

06-05-2018, 02:38 PM	#39 (permalink)
Volk Z A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Laguna Beach, CA Posts: 2,214 Drives: Nismo Z Rep Power: 3066	They have the VR30DTT... I mean put that in the Z and call it a day... People will flock to trade their Z in. Small subtle tweak Im not trading or selling mine to upgrade 10hp or some lame deal they do normally. Or add a piece of vinyl and think that will sell me. Montez likes this. __________________ AMUSE * TOMEI * STILLEN * CRAFTSQUARE RECARO * 3M * TOP SECRET * SLICKCARBON

06-05-2018, 05:31 PM	#42 (permalink)
Shoeshear Base Member Join Date: Oct 2017 Location: Tucson, AZ Posts: 127 Drives: '15 370z Sport MT Rep Power: 3363	Rather than retool entirely, wouldn't it make sense to sell the identical car with only slightly revised bodywork to minimize costs (a different bumper and side skirts or headlights, but otherwise identical)? BRZ and FRS are on the way out, but they've been on the market for a few years right. I'm sure people have gotten their fill of low power RWD cars that aren't quite as good as a Miata, but are still painful as a daily (IMO, I found the car to not have anything that wow-ed me in any aspect). I'm saying basically sell the Q60 with a manual transmission and badge it as a Z. Don't even have to take the rear seats out, you could bring it back as a 300ZX refresh. Simply to keep the Z alive. Edit: PS, don't blame all the millennials. I'm technically one. Plenty of us still like cars, just not a lot. wanker likes this.

06-04-2018, 03:33 PM	#31 (permalink)
Desert Rat Base Member Join Date: Jun 2016 Location: Mesa, AZ Posts: 189 Drives: 2014 370Z M6 Base Rep Power: 3365	5th Z with this one. 73 240Z, a pair of '83 turbo ZXs, and an 85 NA car.... this one just needs T Tops...lol I like the car as is too, but 10-11 years without a refresh in today's day and age just shows Nissan's neglect for anything enthusiast related. could be worse...Frontier is coming up on 15 years basically unchanged. It reflects in their sales too. Nissan is just into making transportation appliances. The Rogue and Altima (both crap) are the bread and butter for the company. Probably just as well. If they freshened the Z, they'd probably put a f#$%king CVT in it anyways....

06-05-2018, 02:24 PM	#38 (permalink)
Nixin A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Sep 2015 Location: GWN Posts: 3,488 Drives: Goodbye Z! Rep Power: 19833	Subtle tweaks and revisions to the engine, transmission and the interior, especially the gauges, would be welcomed in the Z. I think the body style is aging well.

06-05-2018, 04:08 PM	#40 (permalink)
Shoeshear Base Member Join Date: Oct 2017 Location: Tucson, AZ Posts: 127 Drives: '15 370z Sport MT Rep Power: 3363	I'm curious as to why they wouldn't just rebadge and adjust the Q60 to be a Z? Like G37 to 370z. Bring down the interior decor a little, make the seats a bit more aggressive, put in a standard gearbox, call it a day.

06-05-2018, 11:34 PM	#44 (permalink)
Shoeshear Base Member Join Date: Oct 2017 Location: Tucson, AZ Posts: 127 Drives: '15 370z Sport MT Rep Power: 3363	Sad... If they end up killing the Z, hopefully either the cars get cheap, everyone buys one, the aftermarket flourishes and there will be cool development. Or maybe, cars get a little cheaper, people realize it is a cool car with some character, and they become prized. Either way, I'd be happy. But I suppose the third option and perhaps most likely, is that they kill the Z, no one cares except us, the aftermarket dies, and it becomes a car that people only remember when they see it on the road and is seen as the weird/interesting sports car Nissan used to make. GG no RE...