Originally Posted by MightyBobo I know full well what the cause is, and it can be blamed almost directly on whiney 350Z owners .....let me tell ya....on my '03 350Z
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I think they should group by "as tested" price and not base price. And I think they could do a better job of logically grouping looking at how the costs are distributed.
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Personally, I dont think so.
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01-03-2010, 06:41 AM | #168 (permalink) |
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Is the problem specific to the NISMO?
That really has not been addressed. But read this and tell me it doesn't add weight to the theory. This is not the first time the Nismo has lost to it's brother in a comparison, btw:
Inside Line tests hundreds of vehicles a year, but not every vehicle gets a full write-up. The numbers still tell a story, though, so we present "IL Track Tested." It's a quick rundown of all the data we collected at the track, along with comments direct from the test drivers. Enjoy. As factory track models go, the 2009 Nissan Nismo 370Z is not the most hard-core beast ever built on a production line. Then again, it's no sticker-and-stripe-job either. Underneath the aggressive new bodywork is a substantially revised suspension and a slightly more powerful version of Nissan's latest 3.7-liter V6. So how does it all work, you say? Well we wanted to find out too, so we took the new Nismo out to our test facility to run some numbers. Then we compared the results to our long-term 2009 370Z Touring. It was a moderate day in terms of temperature for both tests, but both of the 370s had auxiliary engine oil coolers so all the track work wasn't much of a problem. Once the results started to come in, however, the Nismo continually failed to deliver any better numbers than our standard car. Whether it was braking (worse), acceleration (same) or handling (same, but scarier), the Nismo never came out ahead. Actually, it did beat the standard 370Z in one category -- full-throttle decibel level. See the full results and explanations after the jump. Vehicle: 2009 Nissan Nismo 370Z Odometer: 1,027 Date: 06/16/09 Driver: Josh Jacquot Price: $39,340 Specifications: Drive Type: Rear-wheel drive Transmission Type: 6-speed manual Engine Type: V6 Displacement (cc/cu-in): 3,696cc (226 cu-in) Redline (rpm): 7,500 Horsepower (hp @ rpm): 350 @ 7,400 Torque (lb-ft @ rpm): 276 @ 5,200 Brake Type (front): Ventilated disc Brake Type (rear): Ventilated disc Steering System: Speed-proportional power steering Suspension Type (front): Double-wishbone Suspension Type (rear): Multilink Tire Size (front): 245/40R19 Tire Size (rear): 285/35R19 Tire Brand: Yokohama Tire Model: Advan Sport Tire Type: Summer performance Wheel Size: 19-by-9.5-inches front; 19-by-10.5-inches rear Wheel Material (front/rear): Alloy As tested Curb Weight (lb): 3,356 Test Results: 0 - 30 (sec): 2.1 0 - 45 (sec): 3.6 0 - 60 (sec): 5.3 0 - 75 (sec): 7.7 1/4 Mile (sec @ mph): 13.6 @ 103.2 0-60 with 1-ft Rollout (sec): 5.1 30 - 0 (ft): 28 60 - 0 (ft): 115 Braking Rating: Poor Slalom (mph): 70.4 Skid Pad Lateral acceleration (g): 0.91 Handling Rating: Very Good Db @ Idle: 47.1 Db @ Full Throttle: 84.8 Db @ 70 mph Cruise: 72.9 Acceleration Comments: More than enough power to blow off its tires at launch. Best launch from about 4,800 rpm with some wheelspin. Gnarly rubber going into 2nd. Can't try too hard, however, or you'll miss entirely. It hates fast shifts. Braking Comments: Clearly, pad bedding is important on the Z and this car doesn't appear to have had this done properly. Standard Z stopped shorter; this car feels like it has wooden pads. There's no fade, but also no effectiveness. Wildly inconsistent pedal feel, too. Handling Comments: (Slalom) Added stiffness makes Nismo harder to handle in our slalom which isn't very smooth. I'm confident this car is quicker on a racetrack, but the sharp bump at cone 3 makes it a challenge here. Same speed as the normal car, but a lot more work to get there. (Skid pad) Communication is good, but overall this doesn't seem like a great street setup, and grip is inexplicably less than the standard Z. Vehicle: 2009 Nissan 370Z Odometer: 1,971 Date: 03/03/09 Driver: Josh Jacquot Price: $40,320 Specifications: Drive Type: Rear-wheel drive Transmission Type: 6-speed manual Engine Type: V6 Displacement (cc / cu-in): 3,969cc (226 cu-in) Redline (rpm): 7,500 Horsepower (hp @ rpm): 332 @ 7,000 Torque (lb-ft @ rpm): 270 @ 5,200 Brake Type (front): Ventilated disc Brake Type (rear): Ventilated disc Steering System: Speed-proportional power steering Suspension Type (front): Double-wishbone Suspension Type (rear): Multilink Tire Size (front): 245/40R19 Tire Size (rear): 275/35R19 Tire Brand: Bridgestone Tire Model: Potenza RE050A Tire Type: Summer performance Wheel Size: 19-by-9.0-inches front; 19-by-10-inches rear Wheel Material (front/rear): Alloy As tested Curb Weight (lb): 3,374 Test Results: 0 - 30 (sec): 2.0 0 - 45 (sec): 3.5 0 - 60 (sec): 5.2 0 - 75 (sec): 7.6 1/4 Mile (sec @ mph): 13.5 @ 103.7 0-60 with 1-ft Rollout (sec): 4.9 30 - 0 (ft): 26 60 - 0 (ft): 108 Braking Rating: Very Good Slalom (mph): 72.0 Skid Pad Lateral acceleration (g): 0.94 Handling Rating: Very good Db @ Idle: 49.2 Db @ Full Throttle: 82.7 Db @ 70 mph Cruise: 70.3 Acceleration Comments: More revs are required here to get a sub 5.5-second 60-mph time, but I essentially use the same technique. The Z doesn't seem to like a lot of wheelspin -- it only gets slower. So getting the clutch out quickly and using WOT early is the key. This engine doesn't inspire at high rpm, but it does make power and lends itself to hard driving. Braking Comments: Very good distance and pedal feel. We're not anywhere near approaching the thermal limits of these brakes in the succession of stops completed for this test. Handling Comments: The more time I spend in the Z, the more comfortable I become. As of now, I've yet to drive it on the street -- only track testing. This is a communicative, direct-responding, focused sports car and it shows when it's asked to turn. Fun and fast. Around the skid pad there's immense grip, which seems to increase in direct proportion to how hard it's pushed. The rear doesn't want to step out and won't until something drastic (like instantly snapping off the throttle) is done. Even then, it's asking the driver if he really, really wants to do this. But it will play tail out it you want. And it's fun.
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01-10-2010, 05:20 PM | #169 (permalink) |
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How is a car with 20 plus less HP and almost identical otherwise faster from 0-60 and with better braking numbers????????????
Sport -30 - 0 (ft): 26 60 - 0 (ft): 108 Braking Rating: Very Good Nismo-30 - 0 (ft): 28 60 - 0 (ft): 115 Braking Rating: Poor Is this just a Nismo problem??????? Well, until I have a chance to replace the pads, I'm not taking a chance on tracking it.
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On the Boxster comment, the author of that is obviously Uneducated. Having owned a Boxster, even a lowly 214 hp version, IMO they are magic on the road. Telepathic and VERY well balanced. One of the best handling cars on the planet...but there are car bigots everywhere that "think" otherwise without ever having had any experiece with them.. Last edited by Modshack; 01-11-2010 at 02:46 PM. |
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I should've been more specific with my comment. I believe the Nismo, or at least as advertised, to be "the performance" 370z. Taking my point in to context, I believe it's possible to call the Nismo 370z the flagship 370z, in terms of performance.
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If you have ordinary street pads on ordinary Mustang brakes....no problem. Ordinary street pads on the Nismo brakes, and you have major worries.
Even so, C&D did not like the Nismo much. From what I've heard, it's not as good as the standard + sport, could be the bigger wheels wreck the handling and grip...not as well matched to the suspension and related chassis bits as the plain old Z? I just got out of a 9 year old Camaro, and the Z is not a "fast" car folks, not in the way most of us experience it. Get out of the GT500 or Camaro SS and you're wondering where Nissan left the engine. The Z is not a fast car, but it doesn't need to be, and it's not trying to be. On a track like the Lightning, it's gonna get whipped by 450hp no matter how great it steers. The Z is about the driving experience, and the Z has a Royal Flush on that trick. The Europeans, with all their sophistication, love the Miata MX-5 for chrissakes, for exactly this reason. And they love the Z. I miss the power of my old SS, but the Z offers much more, and for a road driving enthusiast, that's what I care about. Track times mean didly. I still ride an old Ducati 748 that has half the power of a new Duc 1198, and I prefer it that way. The drive is more about the connection and the rythm, less about staying attached to it. |
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2001 Camaro Z28 hp: 310 weight: 3614 lb 0-60: 6.5 sec 1/4: 14.0 @ 105 mph 2010 Camaro SS Manual hp: 426 weight: 3849 0-60: 4.6 sec 1/4: 13.0 @ 108 mph 2009 Nissan 370Z Sport Manual hp: 332 weight: 3232 0-60: 4.7 sec 1/4: 13.3 sec @ 106 mph The number would indicate that the Camaro SS is just slightly faster in a straight line. Power it has a-plenty, and it will certainly "feel" faster due to the lower torque response. |
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I would like to avoid turning this into a muscle cars are cool debate; but I'd like to see an American "Muscle" car come up to the plate under 5 liters and putting out close to 9-10 hp / .1 liter and without a "blower."
That's the only gripe I really have with muscle cars, throw some more displacement at it mentality... |
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01-12-2010, 05:07 PM | #180 (permalink) |
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Glad my NISMO 350Z didn't have any issues on the track in stock form even with OEM pads. It did great. Nissan cheaped out in areas.
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