Car and Driver Crashes a Nismo 370Z

370zdub · 12-30-2009, 02:30 PM

^^^ I did see the bold part too, but still I believe that in that Nismo catalog they have the upgraded race brake pads there for they are covered on that front.

No where in the Nismo 370Z brochure does it say track car.

Technik330 · 12-30-2009, 02:39 PM

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Originally Posted by 370zdub

I'm still failing to see where it exactly words the Nismo 370Z is a Track car.

Screw the track part, how about performance car in general? That should be broad enough, by far, to further validate the point.

Factory built "performance" cars shouldn't overheat, or exhibit high oil temps consistently, nor should their brakes/brake pads "fail."

Reliability and longevity are quintessential for a performance car, especially at a $40k price range....

370zdub · 12-30-2009, 02:41 PM

They are still covered. They did not specifically state "track" car. I understand the frustration and I understand your point. My point is specific to the part that Nissan did not state this as a "track" car and therefore they can't be held reliable for track related failures.

Technik330 · 12-30-2009, 02:50 PM

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Originally Posted by 370zdub

They are still covered. They did not specifically state "track" car. I understand the frustration and I understand your point. My point is specific to the part that Nissan did not state this as a "track" car and therefore they can't be held reliable for track related failures.

Then Nissan clearly has the most esoteric add for the Nismo Z

I'm just waiting for the Hyundai Genisis to be advertised as a time attack special

370zdub · 12-30-2009, 02:53 PM

I never said it wasn't esoteric, I did however say they covered themselves from a liability standpoint.

xfrgtr · 12-30-2009, 03:28 PM

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Originally Posted by 370zdub

^^^ I did see the bold part too, but still I believe that in that Nismo catalog they have the upgraded race brake pads there for they are covered on that front.

No where in the Nismo 370Z brochure does it say track car.

Exactly.

pulpz · 12-30-2009, 03:32 PM

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Originally Posted by 370zdub

^^^ I did see the bold part too, but still I believe that in that Nismo catalog they have the upgraded race brake pads there for they are covered on that front.

No where in the Nismo 370Z brochure does it say track car.

I guess it begs the question, what's the value of a NISMO 370Z then?

Wasn't the NISMO 350Z track ready? Hell the Track 350Z was track ready.

And, frankly when I looked at the NSIMO 370Z and saw the brakes were identical to the Sport Package, I assumed that was Nissan vote of confidence in the track readiness of the Sport Package.

theDreamer · 12-30-2009, 03:36 PM

I think what has happened here is that Nissan took some of the "average" feedback from the 350z crowd. Which ended up being, while many liked the upgraded track parts, the majority ended up finding them to not be what they truly wanted. Therefore Nissan tried to make the 370z more "average" friendly, even on the Nismo level or sport package addition.

Technik330 · 12-30-2009, 03:46 PM

^

Pulpz

Maybe it's for peeps who want to "ghost ride teh whip yo" cause the brakes are

from the factory

I don't know, I'd still like to buy a Nismo though, just wish all this

would be fixed by Nissan.

theDreamer · 12-30-2009, 03:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Technik330

^

Pulpz

Maybe it's for peeps who want to "ghost ride teh whip yo" cause the brakes are

from the factory

I don't know, I'd still like to buy a Nismo though, just wish all this

would be fixed by Nissan.

Eh, I think in the end though, adding these parts yourself is not that expensive (both parts & labor). I can understand having it from Nissan with the warranty, but they do one worse like other companies. Ex. Help people sign up for SCCA or whatever and then void those peoples warranties.

370zdub · 12-30-2009, 03:59 PM

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Originally Posted by pulpz

I guess it begs the question, what's the value of a NISMO 370Z then?

Wasn't the NISMO 350Z track ready? Hell the Track 350Z was track ready.

And, frankly when I looked at the NSIMO 370Z and saw the brakes were identical to the Sport Package, I assumed that was Nissan vote of confidence in the track readiness of the Sport Package.

I never tried to defend the value of the Nismo 370. I bought a BASE for the exact reason of value.

I just pointed out Nissan covered themselves from track related failures and never directly said it was a "track" car.

I'm too young to know much about the 350Z and the packages offered from Nissan on that car so I won't challenge your knowledge there because I have nothing to counter your claims with.

Technik330 · 12-30-2009, 04:01 PM

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Originally Posted by theDreamer

Eh, I think in the end though, adding these parts yourself is not that expensive (both parts & labor). I can understand having it from Nissan with the warranty, but they do one worse like other companies. Ex. Help people sign up for SCCA or whatever and then void those peoples warranties.

I think my point is based more on principle than cost. Rregardless of the if you can afford the Nismo, I bet you could afford an oil cooler or brake pads mentality. Again, my point is why buy a factory tuned car that has to be modified to do what a vast amount of other, cheaper, cars do 100% stock all day?

370zdub · 12-30-2009, 04:01 PM

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Originally Posted by theDreamer

I think what has happened here is that Nissan took some of the "average" feedback from the 350z crowd. Which ended up being, while many liked the upgraded track parts, the majority ended up finding them to not be what they truly wanted. Therefore Nissan tried to make the 370z more "average" friendly, even on the Nismo level or sport package addition.

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Originally Posted by theDreamer

Eh, I think in the end though, adding these parts yourself is not that expensive (both parts & labor). I can understand having it from Nissan with the warranty, but they do one worse like other companies. Ex. Help people sign up for SCCA or whatever and then void those peoples warranties.

Dreamer, I believe your spot on with what you have stated. Multiple offroad companies have taken a product and detuned it because of average consumer feedback. This detuning left some of the hardcore enthusiasts disappointed but on the whole the average crowd appreciated the new ease of use, and for the hardcore enthusiasts the aftermarket made sure the product could see its full potential.

theDreamer · 12-30-2009, 04:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Technik330

I think my point is based more on principle than cost. Rregardless of the if you can afford the Nismo, I bet you could afford an oil cooler or brake pads mentality. Again, my point is why buy a factory tuned car that has to be modified to do what a vast amount of other, cheaper, cars do 100% stock all day?

Very true, but I could bet many cheaper cars might not keep up with the Z until the Z hits certain limits (brake fade or oil issue) on the track.
I think Nissan is trying to keep the Z in the majority consumer view, seeing as it is a low volume seller to begin with. So in the end the people on the edge of the spectrum will get burned, and in the end you have to choose if spending that extra money on your own time is worth it.

shabarivas · 12-30-2009, 04:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Technik330

I think my point is based more on principle than cost. Rregardless of the if you can afford the Nismo, I bet you could afford an oil cooler or brake pads mentality. Again, my point is why buy a factory tuned car that has to be modified to do what a vast amount of other, cheaper, cars do 100% stock all day?

... did it ever cross your mind that maybe the people driving said car drove it like asshats and never bothered to check the brakes? On "Track" cars you need to be ready to change out pads every couple of track days - so why does that not apply here? If you are buying a track car you better be ready to pay the bills.... dont expect it to run forever...

12-30-2009, 02:30 PM	#121 (permalink)
370zdub Track Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: UT Posts: 628 Drives: 09 370z 6mt,10 Ford Rep Power: 17	^^^ I did see the bold part too, but still I believe that in that Nismo catalog they have the upgraded race brake pads there for they are covered on that front. No where in the Nismo 370Z brochure does it say track car. __________________ 2010 Ford 6.4L Power Stroke Diesel: 588whp/1082wtrq 2007 Dodge 6.7L Cummins Diesel: 788whp/1405wtrq, runs 12's @ 7400lbs, Still miss my 370z!

12-30-2009, 02:41 PM	#123 (permalink)
370zdub Track Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: UT Posts: 628 Drives: 09 370z 6mt,10 Ford Rep Power: 17	They are still covered. They did not specifically state "track" car. I understand the frustration and I understand your point. My point is specific to the part that Nissan did not state this as a "track" car and therefore they can't be held reliable for track related failures. __________________ 2010 Ford 6.4L Power Stroke Diesel: 588whp/1082wtrq 2007 Dodge 6.7L Cummins Diesel: 788whp/1405wtrq, runs 12's @ 7400lbs, Still miss my 370z!

12-30-2009, 02:53 PM	#125 (permalink)
370zdub Track Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: UT Posts: 628 Drives: 09 370z 6mt,10 Ford Rep Power: 17	I never said it wasn't esoteric, I did however say they covered themselves from a liability standpoint. __________________ 2010 Ford 6.4L Power Stroke Diesel: 588whp/1082wtrq 2007 Dodge 6.7L Cummins Diesel: 788whp/1405wtrq, runs 12's @ 7400lbs, Still miss my 370z!

12-30-2009, 03:36 PM	#128 (permalink)
theDreamer A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Texas Posts: 30,879 Drives: 370z Rep Power: 4210	I think what has happened here is that Nissan took some of the "average" feedback from the 350z crowd. Which ended up being, while many liked the upgraded track parts, the majority ended up finding them to not be what they truly wanted. Therefore Nissan tried to make the 370z more "average" friendly, even on the Nismo level or sport package addition. __________________ theDreamer's Z // Fast Intentions // Uprev // GTM // HKS // TEIN theDreamer's Silvia // URAS // GREDDY Houston Zs // Facebook // Twitter // Instagram

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12-30-2009, 03:46 PM	#129 (permalink)
Technik330 Base Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: SoCal Posts: 53 Drives: 05' BMW 330Ci ZHP Rep Power: 16	^ Pulpz Maybe it's for peeps who want to "ghost ride teh whip yo" cause the brakes are from the factory I don't know, I'd still like to buy a Nismo though, just wish all this would be fixed by Nissan.