Car and Driver Crashes a Nismo 370Z

MightyBobo · 12-29-2009, 05:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Zeto

I have to disagree, I took my stock S2000 to the track and it performed great. Like anything it could improve in certain areas, but for the most part it was a great experience.

Maybe I should rephrase that as, "EVERY 100% stock car" - not all cars are made equal.

RCZ · 12-29-2009, 07:13 PM

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Originally Posted by nicknick

How many of you would have paid an extra 1G to not have these issues? 1G is a weeks pay for most of us, right? If you could not afford an extra 1G then should you really be owning such an "expensive" car?

Umm I said inexpensive if your comment is directed at me....also I think I've spent a good bit over 1k in mods already

Technik330 · 12-29-2009, 07:36 PM

Whether this was a driver error, mechanical problem, or some combination of the two; Nissan should be taking notes.

When the new M3 was released for "magazine/press testing" the E92 M3 was pre-fitted with "track pads," specifically because BMW already knew the car would be driven hard around a track, consistently. Watch the Top Gear video, they note this specifically. Logically, it'd seem like common sense to equip a magazine test car with better pads; especially if you already know the car will be tested repeatidly on the track, not the street.

I'm curious to know why the Nismo doesn't have brakes unique to the Nismo. That aside, if the brakes aren't really adequate for track use, fine, but why make the Nismo out to be born from racing heritage and knowledge... only to give it a "Brembo-like" braking, but not really?

The Oil Temp debate is sad: spend $40k on a 370z then go home and spend $800 more for an oil cooler....cool story-

370Zsteve · 12-29-2009, 07:45 PM

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Originally Posted by RCZ

Its dumb to think you can do fine on the track with a 100% stock car that costs $35k. All the folks in porsches and z06's that I know do just fine on the stock tires and brakes. Some of you guys that get upset about brakes fading on the track, I think you are ridiculous...its a relatively inexpensive car and there HAVE to be compromises. Its not a race car, its a 30k street car. Be happy that everything else works as well as it does and if you are going to get on the track, then get some pads and an oil cooler. Its not that Nissan couldnt do it, its that they couldnt do it on that budget.

Carve that in stone. Good points. But dammit mine cost $35K not $30K and it's Japanese and it should work perfectly just like a Lexus or a BMW or my wife's goddamn Benz SUV

370Zsteve · 12-29-2009, 07:48 PM

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Originally Posted by NYBladeZ

bet you they didn't take out the front spring spacers

omg

370Zsteve · 12-29-2009, 07:50 PM

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Originally Posted by ChrisSlicks

Actually the braking issue has little to do with price, it has to do with owners of previous models of Nissan/Infiniti products wining about brake dust. They went to a different composition to cure that but created a new problem of very low temperature handling. It's not the only car to have this issue, the new Audi A4 suffers a similar problem. Fortunately the solution is simple and cheap, buy $300 worth of pads.

+1 rep

370Zsteve · 12-29-2009, 07:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Technik330

Whether this was a driver error, mechanical problem, or some combination of the two; Nissan should be taking notes.

When the new M3 was released for "magazine/press testing" the E92 M3 was pre-fitted with "track pads," specifically because BMW already knew the car would be driven hard around a track, consistently. Watch the Top Gear video, they note this specifically. Logically, it'd seem like common sense to equip a magazine test car with better pads; especially if you already know the car will be tested repeatidly on the track, not the street.

I'm curious to know why the Nismo doesn't have brakes unique to the Nismo. That aside, if the brakes aren't really adequate for track use, fine, but why make the Nismo out to be born from racing heritage and knowledge... only to give it a "Brembo-like" braking, but not really?

The Oil Temp debate is sad: spend $40k on a 370z then go home and spend $800 more for an oil cooler....cool story-

Exactly. This is what I'm saying. Nisssan Marketing Dept appears to be run by complete morons WTF?

370Zsteve · 12-29-2009, 07:53 PM

TheWeatherman · 12-30-2009, 12:24 PM

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Originally Posted by MightyBobo

Seriously?

RCZ, are there seriously people who try to go out on OEM pads instead of just getting proper brake pads and doing a fluid swap like they should for SAFETY'S sake??? Its barely over $300 for a GOOD set of pads!

Yes Bobo. Yes. There are a lot of people who do. I know you have a lot of pride in your car and this model, but for some of us, this is unacceptable. I went to the Chrysler SRT driving school at Road America. Those were all stock vehicles running all day. Go to an Audi event. Most of the folks here in Wisconsin running all day at Road America are stock as well. Completely. No pads, no fluid, no cooler. Mustang, Corvette, and "Camero" events. Porsche. Mostly stock on all. I've been to them. I've seen it first hand. Talked to the guys. To go play with a bunch of cars that are even cheaper than mine, I have to go buy $2,000 more worth of stuff? You're forgetting the labor costs. I think this is going to be my last Nissan or Infiniti. I've had it with the excuses from them. I'd like to see the base Z out there with the smaller brakes. That's the only one that has only a window sticker below $30K. Those brakes would fry. I bought a $3,000 sport package to eliminate this. Just like you can buy a similar "Track package" on a Mustang. There's no sport in this.

You also picked out the parts you didn't like about my last post, but never focused on the points you thought were strange. Tell me, why are new pads being put on Infiniti FX50's for free, via customer request? Why is my brother's Jeep more track capable than my Z? That's completely stock. Why can my friends Mustang go out and run all day at Road America without the track package and I can't?

Nissan duped me into buying a car that I thought I could play with my friends. Most of their cars are even cheaper than my Z, brand new. The Jeep SRT is more expensive since he has Nav, seat heaters, 425HP, all wheel drive, a trailer hitch, Boston Acoustics stereo, MyGig, remote start, and power seats. If I was able to get all of this on my Z, mine would be a more expensive car than his. Look at a touring w/ sport. I got less than what I payed for. Go ahead and flame me all you want. When it comes to my next car, especially sports car, I can't believe I'm about to say this... I'm going American. They put out what they advertise. A sports car. (I still couldn't do a Camaro though.)

MightyBobo · 12-30-2009, 01:04 PM

I am speechless.

370zdub · 12-30-2009, 01:15 PM

I bought a base package so I could spend the extra $$ upgrading to every part that was to my spec and what I wanted. When I bought my 370 I knew there were going to be parts that were not up to track duty so I decided to save cash and spend it on the things that were going to make my car great at the track as well as SAFE.

From all my reading here and all the input from guys who have tracked the cars, anyone on this forum has access to the info and knowledge needed to make their car safe and track ready. To all the people complaining about Nissans marketing approach, I have never seen an add or article direct from Nissan stating that it was a "track" car.

370Zsteve · 12-30-2009, 01:36 PM

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Originally Posted by 370zdub

To all the people complaining about Nissans marketing approach, I have never seen an add or article direct from Nissan stating that it was a "track" car.

Really?

From a Nismo catalog, not very hard to find:

NISMO is world-renowned as the premier source for extreme Nissan performance. From Japanese GT racers to Dakar Rally trucks, to the wildest
versions of the Skyline GT-R, NISMO gives you an all-access pass to genuine factory-engineered, dyno-tested, racetrack-proven performance.
And as you’d expect from the same engineers who design Sports Prototypes to run at full sprint for 24 grueling hours, NISMO components are built to last.

Support from the factory means that every NISMO component is thoroughly engineered and rigorously tested to ensure a seamless fit and
outstanding performance mile after mile. Whether you’re a Z driver aiming to outrun Porsches around a track or an Altima driver who wants to sharpen its street-ready edge, NISMO stands ready to take your Nissan to the next level.

Technik330 · 12-30-2009, 01:45 PM

False advertising FTL-

pulpz · 12-30-2009, 02:18 PM

Personally, at the end of the day, I'd still take a 370Z Sport over a Jeep STR, or Mustang, even with having to fork out $1000 for track prepping the car.

Although this is a product marketing snafu by Nissan, It doesn't change the way I feel about my car

370zdub · 12-30-2009, 02:29 PM

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Originally Posted by 370Zsteve

Really?

From a Nismo catalog, not very hard to find:

NISMO is world-renowned as the premier source for extreme Nissan performance. From Japanese GT racers to Dakar Rally trucks, to the wildest
versions of the Skyline GT-R, NISMO gives you an all-access pass to genuine factory-engineered, dyno-tested, racetrack-proven performance.
And as you’d expect from the same engineers who design Sports Prototypes to run at full sprint for 24 grueling hours, NISMO components are built to last.

Support from the factory means that every NISMO component is thoroughly engineered and rigorously tested to ensure a seamless fit and
outstanding performance mile after mile. Whether you’re a Z driver aiming to outrun Porsches around a track or an Altima driver who wants to sharpen its street-ready edge, NISMO stands ready to take your Nissan to the next level.

I'm still failing to see where it exactly words the Nismo 370Z is a Track car.

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12-30-2009, 01:15 PM	#116 (permalink)
370zdub Track Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: UT Posts: 628 Drives: 09 370z 6mt,10 Ford Rep Power: 17	I bought a base package so I could spend the extra $$ upgrading to every part that was to my spec and what I wanted. When I bought my 370 I knew there were going to be parts that were not up to track duty so I decided to save cash and spend it on the things that were going to make my car great at the track as well as SAFE. From all my reading here and all the input from guys who have tracked the cars, anyone on this forum has access to the info and knowledge needed to make their car safe and track ready. To all the people complaining about Nissans marketing approach, I have never seen an add or article direct from Nissan stating that it was a "track" car. __________________ 2010 Ford 6.4L Power Stroke Diesel: 588whp/1082wtrq 2007 Dodge 6.7L Cummins Diesel: 788whp/1405wtrq, runs 12's @ 7400lbs, Still miss my 370z!

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Technik330 Base Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: SoCal Posts: 53 Drives: 05' BMW 330Ci ZHP Rep Power: 16	Whether this was a driver error, mechanical problem, or some combination of the two; Nissan should be taking notes. When the new M3 was released for "magazine/press testing" the E92 M3 was pre-fitted with "track pads," specifically because BMW already knew the car would be driven hard around a track, consistently. Watch the Top Gear video, they note this specifically. Logically, it'd seem like common sense to equip a magazine test car with better pads; especially if you already know the car will be tested repeatidly on the track, not the street. I'm curious to know why the Nismo doesn't have brakes unique to the Nismo. That aside, if the brakes aren't really adequate for track use, fine, but why make the Nismo out to be born from racing heritage and knowledge... only to give it a "Brembo-like" braking, but not really? The Oil Temp debate is sad: spend $40k on a 370z then go home and spend $800 more for an oil cooler....cool story-

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