Car and Driver Crashes a Nismo 370Z

ChrisSlicks · 12-27-2009, 11:01 PM

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Originally Posted by spearfish25

Pretty sure MANY 370s have been on a track without crashing using stock pads. Nice they blame the car instead of their driving though...

The stock pads do not work on the track, many have tried and have had trouble, some have come close to disaster. When the pads get too hot the ABS freaks out and makes the car very unsafe, absolutely feels like a brake system failure to the driver.

Zeto · 12-27-2009, 11:13 PM

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Originally Posted by ChrisSlicks

The stock pads do not work on the track, many have tried and have had trouble, some have come close to disaster. When the pads get too hot the ABS freaks out and makes the car very unsafe, absolutely feels like a brake system failure to the driver.

So what is the solution?

MightyBobo · 12-27-2009, 11:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Zeto

So what is the solution?

Easy, replace with dedicated track pads.

Zeto · 12-27-2009, 11:21 PM

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Originally Posted by MightyBobo

Easy, replace with dedicated track pads.

I haven't seen any around besides the Nismo pads unless I'm looking in the wrong places.

RCZ · 12-27-2009, 11:22 PM

I was on track a while ago when the brakes failed on me. If I had not had a run off area, I would have crashed the car.

Its the pads...

MightyBobo · 12-27-2009, 11:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Zeto

I haven't seen any around besides the Nismo pads unless I'm looking in the wrong places.

Carbotech. I went with XP10 front, XP8 rear's as per RCZ's recommendation (and many others), and for a beginner they felt amazing. You need nothing more w/ the stock brake setup other than better brake fluid.

Zeto · 12-27-2009, 11:26 PM

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Originally Posted by MightyBobo

Carbotech. I went with XP10 front, XP8 rear's as per RCZ's recommendation (and many others), and for a beginner they felt amazing. You need nothing more w/ the stock brake setup other than better brake fluid.

Thanks +rep. I've used ATE Super Blue in the past and it worked great, do you recommend the same?

Sharif@Forged · 12-27-2009, 11:31 PM

We have Carbotechs in stock. It's pretty much all we use at the track. It's also rotor and street friendly as well, unlike many race pads.

My point about the brake failure, is that even a semi-experienced amateur driver would recognize quickly that the OEM pad is not suited for track use, and adjust his driving accordingly. Blaming the brake pad or braking system is a poor excuse, especially for a professional magazine.

RCZ · 12-27-2009, 11:32 PM

Dont use Super Blue... get Motul RBF600, its a little more, but I have had much much better experiences with the motul than the ATE...

Shariff: My stock pads were working fine on track until I started adding a little pace. They let go suddenly and the car would not stop. It was so sudden that it caught me by surprise. I wasn't even going 90% on the car yet either... its pathetic.

Could you PM me price for Motul RBF600 + XP10 + XP8?

VCuomo · 12-27-2009, 11:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Sharif@Forged

My point about the brake failure, is that even a semi-experienced amateur driver would recognize quickly that the OEM pad is not suited for track use, and adjust his driving accordingly. Blaming the brake pad or braking system is a poor excuse, especially for a professional magazine.

However, C&D claims that there was no warning prior to the complete brake system failure (although that's pretty hard to believe).

Zeto · 12-28-2009, 12:38 AM

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Originally Posted by RCZ

Could you PM me price for Motul RBF600 + XP10 + XP8?

Same here please.

PapoZalsa · 12-28-2009, 01:25 AM

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Originally Posted by kannibul

Only a fool blames the equipment!

80% of the accidents are created by a human error, 10% mechanical failure and 10% Enviromental.

I will have to get that issue to read about that crash.

pulpz · 12-28-2009, 05:29 AM

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Originally Posted by ChrisSlicks

The stock pads do not work on the track, many have tried and have had trouble, some have come close to disaster. When the pads get too hot the ABS freaks out and makes the car very unsafe, absolutely feels like a brake system failure to the driver.

If this is the case, then I would have to agree that Nissan has to re-evaluate the pads in the Nismo and Sport package. I think they both (at least the Nismo) should be track ready - including break pads and fluid.

So why isn't this an issue with any other car they tested? Does every other manufacturer deliver track prepped cars for these tests? Or is C&D truly correct in their assessment of how dramatic the onset and severity of the brake fade occurrence with stock pads?

Sharif@Forged · 12-28-2009, 11:02 AM

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Originally Posted by RCZ

Dont use Super Blue... get Motul RBF600, its a little more, but I have had much much better experiences with the motul than the ATE...

Shariff: My stock pads were working fine on track until I started adding a little pace. They let go suddenly and the car would not stop. It was so sudden that it caught me by surprise. I wasn't even going 90% on the car yet either... its pathetic.

Could you PM me price for Motul RBF600 + XP10 + XP8?

Yeah, the stock pads are just about every OEM are garbage for track use. At best they feel wooden. The guy driving for this magazine I assume is a pro, or least very experienced. It was a rookie mistake to make, IMHO.

Pricing coming guys!

mkdiehl · 12-28-2009, 11:07 AM

please add me to the pricing list....is it a concensus that going to the track with stock pads is asking for trouble or are we over reacting?

So now to go to the track:
Oil Cooler
Brake pads

Anything else? (for someone that hasn't gone before...so let's not get too crazy)

thanks

12-27-2009, 11:31 PM	#38 (permalink)
Sharif@Forged The370Z.com Sponsor Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Marietta, GA Posts: 840 Drives: 2009 GT-R, 2010 370Z Rep Power: 18	We have Carbotechs in stock. It's pretty much all we use at the track. It's also rotor and street friendly as well, unlike many race pads. My point about the brake failure, is that even a semi-experienced amateur driver would recognize quickly that the OEM pad is not suited for track use, and adjust his driving accordingly. Blaming the brake pad or braking system is a poor excuse, especially for a professional magazine. __________________ Sharif@Forgedperformance.com General Manager/Certified Tuner/NASA-PCA-BMWCAA Instructor JRZ RS1's Available NOW...PM me Cobb ProTuner, Uprev ECU Flash, FCON Vpro, Haltech, Motec Certified

12-27-2009, 11:32 PM	#39 (permalink)
RCZ A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Miami Posts: 6,403 Drives: '09 370Z Rep Power: 1119	Dont use Super Blue... get Motul RBF600, its a little more, but I have had much much better experiences with the motul than the ATE... Shariff: My stock pads were working fine on track until I started adding a little pace. They let go suddenly and the car would not stop. It was so sudden that it caught me by surprise. I wasn't even going 90% on the car yet either... its pathetic. Could you PM me price for Motul RBF600 + XP10 + XP8? Last edited by RCZ; 12-27-2009 at 11:36 PM.

12-28-2009, 11:07 AM	#45 (permalink)
mkdiehl Base Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Denver Posts: 30 Drives: '10 PG/Persm 370z Rep Power: 16	please add me to the pricing list....is it a concensus that going to the track with stock pads is asking for trouble or are we over reacting? So now to go to the track: Oil Cooler Brake pads Anything else? (for someone that hasn't gone before...so let's not get too crazy) thanks Last edited by mkdiehl; 12-28-2009 at 11:13 AM.

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RCZ A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Miami Posts: 6,403 Drives: '09 370Z Rep Power: 1119	I was on track a while ago when the brakes failed on me. If I had not had a run off area, I would have crashed the car. Its the pads...