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Old 12-17-2009, 04:45 PM   #31 (permalink)
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Great potential for the 370z. Dont mix topics in here regarding prices and other stuff.
This is basically showing the big potential that the 370z has. Yes, it will be considerably expensive or whatever, but great potential.
And if you ask me, I will definitely chose a GT3.






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"Rice." "Typical rice" at that. People throw that word around like they honestly know what they're talking about. To call ANYTHING from MCR (Matchless Crowd Racing) rice is commiting automotive suicide. Do me a favor and actually look them up first. Their Z34 is a toy compared to the power that shop can produce. Show some respect.
Doesn't change the fact that it looks like "rice."
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Old 12-18-2009, 10:44 AM   #33 (permalink)
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What custom work has been done to this car?
Most of the parts that are throw into this car can be bought, heck even some are sold by Nissan. Maybe once he gets into the engine he might be doing some custom fab for performance, but it will not cost 50,000USD. People are throwing on twin turbos already for 15,000USD (custom built), throw in the rest of the upgrades needed to compete against the GT3 and you will probably spend 32,000 to 34,000USD on the car and 8-10,000USD on everything else. You are looking at under 60,000 for a car that competes very well, heck you could drop another 20,000 some how and still only be at 80,000 with room to spare.

Now I am not saying the Porsche is not great, I would love to own one, but at the same time having the Z and adding to it myself and getting it all the way I want is worth something. Then again, the Porsche does have a warranty.
Yes, right now he's using bolt-on equipment. However, I think if you add it up, he's pretty close to $25K-$30K just in parts.

Wheels - $3K
Tires - $1.2K
Exhaust - $1.5K
Seats - $2K
ECU + tuning - $2K
Body kit + install - $3K
Paint - $1.5K
Bracing - $1K
Oil cooling kits (engine and diff) - $1.5K
LSD - $1K
New catalytic converter - $0.5K
Endless Brakes - $5K
Custom Valved Coilovers - $3K
Steering wheel - $0.4K

TOTAL: $26.6K

And that's not even touching any bolt-on engine mods he might want, forced induction, roll cage, any chassis work (seam welding, weight reduction, lightening, etc, etc). That cost also doesn't necessarily include labor costs to install the different parts, which is probably another couple thousand dollars at typical shop rates.

Future work:

Forced induction - $15K
Tuning - $2K (he'll want it perfect)
Reinforcements to body and frame (engine bay and sub-frame bracing) - $1.5K
New clutch/flywheel/pressure plate - $1K
Roll Cage - $3K
R-compound tires - $1.5K

TOTAL: $24K, not necessarily counting install costs either

So, he has a $40K car (Touring + Sport with Navigation), $26K in mods right now and at least $24K to come, which puts him at at $90K and doesn't necessarily include installation/labor costs or development time if they have to go with custom work on the car to get to where they need to be. That's not the price of a GT3 but it's more than you'd pay for a Nissan GT-R which will still be quicker and have a warranty.

I know these cars aren't supposed to make sense (heck, the J's S2000 is well over $100K in parts and labor, including the initial purchase price of the car) but my point is that most people won't spend this kind of money to modify when they can just buy something else off the showroom floor with similar (possibly better) performance but with a warranty and probably more comfort.

This is a neat engineering exercise but it's a foregone conclusion that you can make just about any reasonably focused car faster than a more expensive, even more focused car by throwing money at it. It's just a question of whether it's remotely worth the time and effort.
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Yes, right now he's using bolt-on equipment. However, I think if you add it up, he's pretty close to $25K-$30K just in parts.

Wheels - $3K
Tires - $1.2K
Exhaust - $1.5K
Seats - $2K
ECU + tuning - $2K
Body kit + install - $3K
Paint - $1.5K
Bracing - $1K
Oil cooling kits (engine and diff) - $1.5K
LSD - $1K
New catalytic converter - $0.5K
Endless Brakes - $5K
Custom Valved Coilovers - $3K
Steering wheel - $0.4K

TOTAL: $26.6K

And that's not even touching any bolt-on engine mods he might want, forced induction, roll cage, any chassis work (seam welding, weight reduction, lightening, etc, etc). That cost also doesn't necessarily include labor costs to install the different parts, which is probably another couple thousand dollars at typical shop rates.

Future work:

Forced induction - $15K
Tuning - $2K (he'll want it perfect)
Reinforcements to body and frame (engine bay and sub-frame bracing) - $1.5K
New clutch/flywheel/pressure plate - $1K
Roll Cage - $3K
R-compound tires - $1.5K

TOTAL: $24K, not necessarily counting install costs either

So, he has a $40K car (Touring + Sport with Navigation), $26K in mods right now and at least $24K to come, which puts him at at $90K and doesn't necessarily include installation/labor costs or development time if they have to go with custom work on the car to get to where they need to be. That's not the price of a GT3 but it's more than you'd pay for a Nissan GT-R which will still be quicker and have a warranty.

I know these cars aren't supposed to make sense (heck, the J's S2000 is well over $100K in parts and labor, including the initial purchase price of the car) but my point is that most people won't spend this kind of money to modify when they can just buy something else off the showroom floor with similar (possibly better) performance but with a warranty and probably more comfort.

This is a neat engineering exercise but it's a foregone conclusion that you can make just about any reasonably focused car faster than a more expensive, even more focused car by throwing money at it. It's just a question of whether it's remotely worth the time and effort.
why does any of this matter? this car is being built to compete with a car thats 115k, the overall cost is still well below that, and will probably outperform it when its all said and done, calm down fella.
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Very Nice.
Great potential for the 370z. Dont mix topics in here regarding prices and other stuff.
This is basically showing the big potential that the 370z has. Yes, it will be considerably expensive or whatever, but great potential.
And if you ask me, I will definitely chose a GT3.






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Yes, the GT3 is a cool car, but it is not as good looking as a 370Z. It still looks like a car designed half a century ago. And it still has an engine placed in the worst possible location. Does have that warranty, though, along with that extra-cool $35000 logo on the hood.
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Yes, the GT3 is a cool car, but it is not as good looking as a 370Z. It still looks like a car designed half a century ago. And it still has an engine placed in the worst possible location. Does have that warranty, though, along with that extra-cool $35000 logo on the hood.
What the F are you talking about? Engine in the worst place? explain... Looks shittier than the Z? lol you are on one... but sure...
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i cant believe we are comparing these two...hahah!
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yah, they need to try beating a real sports car without making it look like some rice-mobile...
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What the F are you talking about? Engine in the worst place? explain... Looks shittier than the Z? lol you are on one... but sure...
So you think putting an engine at the extreme rear of the car is good for handling then. Explain.

Let's put it another way, if Porsche ever dropped one of their high-end engines into a Cayman it would not only smoke any 911 variant it would piss off the 911 fanbois...which is exactly why they've never done it.

EDIT: enough of this, keep it on-topic, create a 911 thread, I'll be glad to participate.
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Yes, the GT3 is a cool car, but it is not as good looking as a 370Z. It still looks like a car designed half a century ago. And it still has an engine placed in the worst possible location. Does have that warranty, though, along with that extra-cool $35000 logo on the hood.
Well, while I disagree on the looks, that's certainly subjective. I do believe 99% of the population also disagree with you, however.

As for the engine being in the worst possible location, no, that would be at the extreme FRONT end of the car where it would hinder cornering AND traction in a RWD car (understeer city with tons of wheelspin when accelerating).

More to the point, proper engineering has allowed Porsche to almost fully tame the 911 in terms of snap oversteer. I've actually been in a GT3 and it's nowhere near as unforgiving as a 968 or 993 and the cornering limits are astonishing.
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why does any of this matter? this car is being built to compete with a car thats 115k, the overall cost is still well below that, and will probably outperform it when its all said and done, calm down fella.
Add in the investment loss when you sell the thing for half what you put into it and you're at the cost of a GT3. There, we're done.
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Well, while I disagree on the looks, that's certainly subjective. I do believe 99% of the population also disagree with you, however.

As for the engine being in the worst possible location, no, that would be at the extreme FRONT end of the car where it would hinder cornering AND traction in a RWD car (understeer city with tons of wheelspin when accelerating).

More to the point, proper engineering has allowed Porsche to almost fully tame the 911 in terms of snap oversteer. I've actually been in a GT3 and it's nowhere near as unforgiving as a 968 or 993 and the cornering limits are astonishing.
I can't imagine what a car would handle like with an engine in the extreme front, lol, wow. I stand by my statement. There is a reason this is the only car on the planet short of a Mexican Beetle that has an engine in this location. The proper engineering you refer to is an expensive band-aid. The Cayman is a much better-handling automobile. The only reason this car exists is to satisfy a hard-core fanboi-base. If you lift off the throttle mid-corner, yes it is better than a 968, but you can't engineer out all that weight wanting to turn the car 180 degrees. Simple physics.
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Add in the investment loss when you sell the thing for half what you put into it and you're at the cost of a GT3. There, we're done.
Haha, well done. Agreed.
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