This Soon To Be GT3 Killer Is Everything A New Z Owner Should Be Excited About!

theDreamer · 12-16-2009, 04:56 PM

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Originally Posted by nicknick

The Zed is a great car but one with a perceived weakness and a lot of attention has been brought to it. Engine oli overheating issues. Again this Japanese guy proved it. I just wonder how a 370z could handle Melbourne 45 degree celcius temperature in heavy traffic where you don't get out of 2nd gear for at leaSt 45 mins, with the air conditioning on. Will it overheat and be an embarassment on the side of the road. Here, this is a $70,000 car. NISSAN STOP BULLSHITTING AND MAKE A GOOD QUALITY OIL COOLER STANDARD, I KNOW I WILL NOT BITCH IF THE CAR HERE IN AUSTRALIA IS WORTH AN $1,000 BECAUSE OF IT. I'D STILL BUY IT.
Therevare many days here where the temp gets to over 40 degrees, some people drive with the air con on (i don't, too mechanically sympathetic, and maybe stupid) and push the car. In this situation will the car handle it or will it go into limp mode. Eliminate this flaw/perceived flaw and this will be an untouchable from critism car.

Quick conversion (I do F here in the states), but 45°C (113°F) is 100% safe on street roads, in traffic, with the AC on. I live in Texas, a few members here live in Arizona (even hotter many days than Texas), and zero limp mode problems on the street.

G Fo12ce · 12-16-2009, 06:30 PM

Anyone know the details on the ARC oil cooler? Does it have a thermostatic control valve that only allows the oil to the cooler after a certain temp?

I know I've heard that was a concern on some kits that flow oil to the cooler right away causing the oil to take a long time to warm up and oil is too cool after start up. Is my memory correct?

Trips · 12-16-2009, 06:32 PM

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Originally Posted by G Fo12ce

Anyone know the details on the ARC oil cooler? Does it have a thermostatic control valve that only allows the oil to the cooler after a certain temp?

I know I've heard that was a concern on some kits that flow oil to the cooler right away causing the oil to take a long time to warm up and oil is too cool after start up. Is my memory correct?

is this what your looking for?
*AE Performance Oil Cooler Kit*

nicknick · 12-16-2009, 07:03 PM

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Originally Posted by theDreamer

Quick conversion (I do F here in the states), but 45°C (113°F) is 100% safe on street roads, in traffic, with the AC on. I live in Texas, a few members here live in Arizona (even hotter many days than Texas), and zero limp mode problems on the street.

Thanks I guess that is reassuring. Makes one wonder how hard these guys push the cars to get them to go into limp mode.

didymus · 12-16-2009, 07:41 PM

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Originally Posted by GT Motoring

I like the car as a whole but not a fan of the silver aero kit or the cheap looking steering wheel.

Agreed!

theDreamer · 12-16-2009, 07:47 PM

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Originally Posted by nicknick

Thanks I guess that is reassuring. Makes one wonder how hard these guys push the cars to get them to go into limp mode.

15 to 20 minutes on a track will get you into limp mode, but that is pushing the car.

Red370 · 12-16-2009, 08:32 PM

I can see this car being a GT3 killer, as stated in the article, the car isnt near finished, im sure when it is, the engine will be built along with some kind of forced induction, and im damn sure that it will cost far less than a stock GT3. And BTW, I live in Hell Paso, heat here averages 105-115 degrees fahrenheit in the summer, no overheating issues whatsoever, and i'm sure a few of them boys from Phoenix will tell you the same thing.

SmoothZ · 12-16-2009, 08:59 PM

All I have to say about that 370 is............. DAYUM! It looks badass. I don't know about beating the GT3, but it would be fun to try.

m4a1mustang · 12-16-2009, 09:30 PM

looks like rice.

SmoothZ · 12-16-2009, 09:31 PM

Well..... it IS Japanese. I like rice with my curry chicken.

What does the GT3 look like? Sauerkraut?

m4a1mustang · 12-16-2009, 09:58 PM

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Originally Posted by SmoothZ

Well..... it IS Japanese. I like rice with my curry chicken.

What does the GT3 look like? Sauerkraut?

For a streetable race car the GT3 looks clean.

This Z is typical rice... carbon fiber bits all over the place just for the sake of carbon fiber... decals... blah. Typical ricer crap!

I started a project to rice out my Z. I haven't purchased the CF parts yet but I got started with the decals. So far I am pleased.

RedComet · 12-17-2009, 06:44 AM

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang

For a streetable race car the GT3 looks clean.

This Z is typical rice... carbon fiber bits all over the place just for the sake of carbon fiber... decals... blah. Typical ricer crap!

I started a project to rice out my Z. I haven't purchased the CF parts yet but I got started with the decals. So far I am pleased.

"Rice." "Typical rice" at that. People throw that word around like they honestly know what they're talking about. To call ANYTHING from MCR (Matchless Crowd Racing) rice is commiting automotive suicide. Do me a favor and actually look them up first. Their Z34 is a toy compared to the power that shop can produce. Show some respect.

JonBoy · 12-17-2009, 08:26 AM

Apparently a number of you have zero idea what one-off, custom made equipment costs to design and fabricate or machine. This car is using some off-the-shelf equipment but it will also have a fair bit of fully custom work done to it. It doesn't take long to add tens of thousands of dollars just in labor to such a car, not to mention the materials costs. Development work is extremely expensive and this project is no exception.

Consider that you get charged a minimum of $75 per hour for work done on your car. Consider how many hours are going to be put into this car before it's done and that alone will probably add $30K+ to the "street price". Add in the literal cost of off-the-shelf parts (wheels, tires, brakes, suspension, exhaust, forced induction at some later point, tuning time, aero kit, paint job) and you're adding in tens of thousands more. Consider then if they strip it to lighten it, add in a roll cage and body stiffening elements, possibly do a seam-weld job on the car (requiring it to be stripped down - very time consuming!), add in more monitoring equipment, etc, etc, and you're going to have a very expensive car that is very quick around a track but it's also extremely expensive, does not have a warranty, and is worth a lot less than what you've spent to get it to where it is.

There are racecars that cost the owner $10K (or less) that can beat a GT3 around a track. It's not impossible by any means but when you take a brand new car, you take a big financial hit up front and it's actually quite a bit more expensive to develop than an older car since the platforms are not nearly as comprehensively supported by the aftermarket.

What I can guarantee is that 99% of us would still pick the GT3 over the heavily modified 370Z. Why? It'll still be the better package (even if it is possibly slightly slower), as well it should for the cost that's been invested to buy one.

j.arnaldo · 12-17-2009, 01:23 PM

Sweet, sweet ride, in spite of the few issues it may have. I do agree that Nissan's engineers could and should improve on some areas (the "little annoyances"). Cheers!

theDreamer · 12-17-2009, 01:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JonBoy

Apparently a number of you have zero idea what one-off, custom made equipment costs to design and fabricate or machine. This car is using some off-the-shelf equipment but it will also have a fair bit of fully custom work done to it. It doesn't take long to add tens of thousands of dollars just in labor to such a car, not to mention the materials costs. Development work is extremely expensive and this project is no exception.

Consider that you get charged a minimum of $75 per hour for work done on your car. Consider how many hours are going to be put into this car before it's done and that alone will probably add $30K+ to the "street price". Add in the literal cost of off-the-shelf parts (wheels, tires, brakes, suspension, exhaust, forced induction at some later point, tuning time, aero kit, paint job) and you're adding in tens of thousands more. Consider then if they strip it to lighten it, add in a roll cage and body stiffening elements, possibly do a seam-weld job on the car (requiring it to be stripped down - very time consuming!), add in more monitoring equipment, etc, etc, and you're going to have a very expensive car that is very quick around a track but it's also extremely expensive, does not have a warranty, and is worth a lot less than what you've spent to get it to where it is.

There are racecars that cost the owner $10K (or less) that can beat a GT3 around a track. It's not impossible by any means but when you take a brand new car, you take a big financial hit up front and it's actually quite a bit more expensive to develop than an older car since the platforms are not nearly as comprehensively supported by the aftermarket.

What I can guarantee is that 99% of us would still pick the GT3 over the heavily modified 370Z. Why? It'll still be the better package (even if it is possibly slightly slower), as well it should for the cost that's been invested to buy one.

What custom work has been done to this car?
Most of the parts that are throw into this car can be bought, heck even some are sold by Nissan. Maybe once he gets into the engine he might be doing some custom fab for performance, but it will not cost 50,000USD. People are throwing on twin turbos already for 15,000USD (custom built), throw in the rest of the upgrades needed to compete against the GT3 and you will probably spend 32,000 to 34,000USD on the car and 8-10,000USD on everything else. You are looking at under 60,000 for a car that competes very well, heck you could drop another 20,000 some how and still only be at 80,000 with room to spare.

Now I am not saying the Porsche is not great, I would love to own one, but at the same time having the Z and adding to it myself and getting it all the way I want is worth something. Then again, the Porsche does have a warranty.

12-16-2009, 06:30 PM	#17 (permalink)
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Red370 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Kaiserslautern, Germany Posts: 4,391 Drives: your mom to church Rep Power: 295	I can see this car being a GT3 killer, as stated in the article, the car isnt near finished, im sure when it is, the engine will be built along with some kind of forced induction, and im damn sure that it will cost far less than a stock GT3. And BTW, I live in Hell Paso, heat here averages 105-115 degrees fahrenheit in the summer, no overheating issues whatsoever, and i'm sure a few of them boys from Phoenix will tell you the same thing. __________________ 2011 Mustang 5.0 \| 3.55's \| Lethal Performance off road H-Pipe \| Magnaflow Muffler Delete \| JLT CAI/Bama tuned 417whp/ 404 ft/lbs

12-16-2009, 08:59 PM	#23 (permalink)
SmoothZ A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Arrakis Posts: 7,952 Drives: giant sandworm Rep Power: 35	All I have to say about that 370 is............. DAYUM! It looks badass. I don't know about beating the GT3, but it would be fun to try. __________________ "Once you go Asian, you never go Caucasian." "I talk to myself, and when I do that, I know I'm talking to an intelligent person."

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m4a1mustang A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Northern VA Posts: 55,385 Drives: on two wheels Rep Power: 6962	looks like rice. __________________ - Steve Zs & Coffee - Saturdays at 10AM in Fairfax, VA and Columbia, MD (Click the banner!) LIKE us on Facebook!

12-16-2009, 09:31 PM	#25 (permalink)
SmoothZ A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Arrakis Posts: 7,952 Drives: giant sandworm Rep Power: 35	Well..... it IS Japanese. I like rice with my curry chicken. What does the GT3 look like? Sauerkraut? __________________ "Once you go Asian, you never go Caucasian." "I talk to myself, and when I do that, I know I'm talking to an intelligent person."

12-17-2009, 08:26 AM	#28 (permalink)
JonBoy Base Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Texas Posts: 20 Drives: Bleh Rep Power: 15	Apparently a number of you have zero idea what one-off, custom made equipment costs to design and fabricate or machine. This car is using some off-the-shelf equipment but it will also have a fair bit of fully custom work done to it. It doesn't take long to add tens of thousands of dollars just in labor to such a car, not to mention the materials costs. Development work is extremely expensive and this project is no exception. Consider that you get charged a minimum of $75 per hour for work done on your car. Consider how many hours are going to be put into this car before it's done and that alone will probably add $30K+ to the "street price". Add in the literal cost of off-the-shelf parts (wheels, tires, brakes, suspension, exhaust, forced induction at some later point, tuning time, aero kit, paint job) and you're adding in tens of thousands more. Consider then if they strip it to lighten it, add in a roll cage and body stiffening elements, possibly do a seam-weld job on the car (requiring it to be stripped down - very time consuming!), add in more monitoring equipment, etc, etc, and you're going to have a very expensive car that is very quick around a track but it's also extremely expensive, does not have a warranty, and is worth a lot less than what you've spent to get it to where it is. There are racecars that cost the owner $10K (or less) that can beat a GT3 around a track. It's not impossible by any means but when you take a brand new car, you take a big financial hit up front and it's actually quite a bit more expensive to develop than an older car since the platforms are not nearly as comprehensively supported by the aftermarket. What I can guarantee is that 99% of us would still pick the GT3 over the heavily modified 370Z. Why? It'll still be the better package (even if it is possibly slightly slower), as well it should for the cost that's been invested to buy one.

12-17-2009, 01:23 PM	#29 (permalink)
j.arnaldo Banned Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Puerto Rico Posts: 937 Drives: Nissan 350Z, 2004 Rep Power: 0	Sweet, sweet ride, in spite of the few issues it may have. I do agree that Nissan's engineers could and should improve on some areas (the "little annoyances"). Cheers!

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