Parking Brake Sucks?

vipor · 12-15-2009, 03:17 PM

There is more than one way to drift, I understand how to do it just fine, it's just that the e-brake not being a POS would be nice.

GT Motoring · 12-15-2009, 03:21 PM

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Originally Posted by shabarivas

You dont need an E-brake to initiate a drift in the Z - just clutch kick in turn and gas it hard... once you are sliding counter and modulate throttle

Depends on the track layout, e-brake is needed to initiate tight radius corners.

vipor · 12-15-2009, 03:26 PM

kannibul · 12-15-2009, 03:53 PM

Not interested in drifting, just I don't like how when I stop in my garage, pull the E-brake, put it in Park, and left off the brake, that the car rolls foward about an inch from drivetrain tension (I assume)

spearfish25 · 12-15-2009, 05:25 PM

I'm not a big drifter, but this ebrake is completely unreliable for holding the car on a hill by itself.

As for the "leave it in gear" vs ebrake when parking...you guys don't live in a cold climate. Anyone in a freezing climate can tell you about a story when their ebrake froze. Most people here just leave a manual transmission in gear without a parking brake engaged.

As for the idea of straining your transmission by leaving it in gear...which do you think has higher load on the transmission cogs: 1) parking a car and leaving it in gear while resting against a cog or 2) driving away under heavy acceleration? As another person posted, I've been leaving my MTs in gear without an ebrake engaged for the better part of a decade with no problems.

+1 for wanting to upgrade our POS Flintstone ebrakes. I could stop my car faster by dragging my foot out the driver's door.

vipor · 12-15-2009, 05:35 PM

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Originally Posted by spearfish25

+1 for wanting to upgrade our POS Flintstone ebrakes. I could stop my car faster by dragging my foot out the driver's door.

ishthemienguy · 12-15-2009, 06:02 PM

This might be off topic but when your coming to a stop, you down shift into a lower gear but still have the clutch depress and also press on the breaks to stop, will it cause any damage?

nicknick · 12-15-2009, 06:18 PM

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Originally Posted by phelan

Well it's not that I use ONLY the transmission. I use both at the same time. Does that still put a strain on the transmission??

To avoid putting strain on the transmission this is what i do; come to a stop, pull handbrake up enough to hold car firmly whilst keeping foot on the brake, release brake, car should be rock solid, than put brake back on and put into gear and release brake and switch engine off. This way tranny is not stressed, car is firmly held in place by handbrake and if need be the tranny can act as an emergency position holder. Doing it this way particularly for auto transmissions places no strain on them and can be smoothly and easily put from park to drive with no clunky or bangy noises.

MPD47 · 12-15-2009, 06:19 PM

There are 3 adjustments FYI, one in each rotors, plus an adjustment at the handle (provided it is the same as the 350z). I shimmed mine at the handle, adjusted the rears, and put Project Mu drum pads in the rear. Locks for drifting just fine

Quote:

Originally Posted by GT Motoring

Depends on the track layout, e-brake is needed to initiate tight radius corners.

And straight away entries while dragging it down an outer clip.

areyouin729 · 12-15-2009, 07:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Modshack

+1...None that I know of. I would NEVER depend on the parking brake to hold the car..My last several cars have all been marginal in this area. I don't think it's exclusive to the Z

for some reason, I always leave my gear in 1st when parked, someone told me you should do that when I first learned stick about 10 years ago and it is now just a habit I can't stop

shadow2k · 12-15-2009, 08:02 PM

I use the e-brake, then put it in gear for my Z 6MT. I don't want it rolling anywhere. I've done this with every MT car I've owned.

For autos, I do not use the e-brake, just drop it into park. The reason I do them different is the autos I've driven all have the ebrake as a foot pedal, with the release under the left side of the dash. Annoying, clumsy, easy to forget it's on...so I ignore it.

AutoX Z · 12-15-2009, 08:39 PM

For all the people worried about putting strain on the transmission when leaving it in gear while parked. You realize that when you actually drive the car there is possibly 1000x more load on the transmission compared to just holding it on an incline. There is no possible way, even on the steepest incline that leaving the car in gear when you park it could do any damage to the transmission.

PapoZalsa · 12-15-2009, 10:02 PM

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Originally Posted by phelan

Silly question, but are there disadvantages to leaving the car in gear when you park? I've had it drilled into my brain to put it in 1st/Reverse depending on where you're parked.

I always leave my car in gear with the E-brake on.

The only disadvantage I could see is if you get hit from behind while you parked in gear.

JB1 · 12-15-2009, 11:00 PM

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Originally Posted by spearfish25

I'm not a big drifter, but this ebrake is completely unreliable for holding the car on a hill by itself.

You really have to pull the ebrake all the way for it to work little.

Quote:

Originally Posted by spearfish25

As for the "leave it in gear" vs ebrake when parking...you guys don't live in a cold climate. Anyone in a freezing climate can tell you about a story when their ebrake froze. Most people here just leave a manual transmission in gear without a parking brake engaged.

,again. And this also goes for when you park a car when the brakes are hot, the rotors can warp or worse... few years ago I picked up our company loaner car for a business trip. The previous user obviously lived by the slogan "Don't be gentle, it's a rental", as he or she parked the car with glowing hot rear brakes and put the ebrakes on "firmly". When I tried to drive the car a few days later, the brakes were stuck, so I rocked the car back and forth until the brakes "released". However, after driving a few feet I realized that only part of the brakes released, as about half of the brake pad was still stuck to the rotor...

Quote:

Originally Posted by spearfish25

As for the idea of straining your transmission by leaving it in gear...which do you think has higher load on the transmission cogs: 1) parking a car and leaving it in gear while resting against a cog or 2) driving away under heavy acceleration? As another person posted, I've been leaving my MTs in gear without an ebrake engaged for the better part of a decade with no problems.

And

again. I have driven manuals for the past 15+ years and always parked them in 1st gear, never had any problems. I can't imagine that a parked car can put more strain on the gearbox then a 3.7LV6 at WOT...

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Originally Posted by spearfish25

+1 for wanting to upgrade our POS Flintstone ebrakes. I could stop my car faster by dragging my foot out the driver's door.

As Vipor, I'm in for pics, or better yet, a you tube video

vipor · 12-15-2009, 11:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MPD47

There are 3 adjustments FYI, one in each rotors, plus an adjustment at the handle (provided it is the same as the 350z). I shimmed mine at the handle, adjusted the rears, and put Project Mu drum pads in the rear. Locks for drifting just fine

And straight away entries while dragging it down an outer clip.

win! thanks for the info +1!

lol i'll add you to my rep list for tomorrow

12-15-2009, 03:17 PM	#31 (permalink)
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12-15-2009, 05:25 PM	#35 (permalink)
spearfish25 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Naples, FL Posts: 4,117 Drives: to work Rep Power: 1856	I'm not a big drifter, but this ebrake is completely unreliable for holding the car on a hill by itself. As for the "leave it in gear" vs ebrake when parking...you guys don't live in a cold climate. Anyone in a freezing climate can tell you about a story when their ebrake froze. Most people here just leave a manual transmission in gear without a parking brake engaged. As for the idea of straining your transmission by leaving it in gear...which do you think has higher load on the transmission cogs: 1) parking a car and leaving it in gear while resting against a cog or 2) driving away under heavy acceleration? As another person posted, I've been leaving my MTs in gear without an ebrake engaged for the better part of a decade with no problems. +1 for wanting to upgrade our POS Flintstone ebrakes. I could stop my car faster by dragging my foot out the driver's door. __________________ 2013 Cadillac V-Wagon, RIP Z

12-15-2009, 08:39 PM	#42 (permalink)
AutoX Z Enthusiast Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Houston, Tx Posts: 314 Drives: 370Z Base, Sport Rep Power: 16	For all the people worried about putting strain on the transmission when leaving it in gear while parked. You realize that when you actually drive the car there is possibly 1000x more load on the transmission compared to just holding it on an incline. There is no possible way, even on the steepest incline that leaving the car in gear when you park it could do any damage to the transmission. __________________ 2013 SCCA Solo National Champion VVV For Sale VVV

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ishthemienguy Base Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: california, Sacramento Posts: 124 Drives: anything Rep Power: 16	This might be off topic but when your coming to a stop, you down shift into a lower gear but still have the clutch depress and also press on the breaks to stop, will it cause any damage?

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shadow2k Base Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Overland Park, Kansas Posts: 143 Drives: 09 PG 370z 6MT Rep Power: 16	I use the e-brake, then put it in gear for my Z 6MT. I don't want it rolling anywhere. I've done this with every MT car I've owned. For autos, I do not use the e-brake, just drop it into park. The reason I do them different is the autos I've driven all have the ebrake as a foot pedal, with the release under the left side of the dash. Annoying, clumsy, easy to forget it's on...so I ignore it.