Really? A Civic beats a Z

ZeeBabar

2017 Type R vs 2018 370Z vs 2018 STI

Lvcky69

in circuit? yeah, in drag race? no

dvboy

Not according to the article,the numbers say otherwise.

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2018 Type R vs STI vs Z

axmea?

It was a base and a Nissan beater. In fact it was the only one Nissan could find for R & T. Nissan doesn't care. Now, if they drove one of our cars here in the forum bolt ons and all, then it would be a different story. I say this because you are comparing an old 8 year old to a young buck in the Civic. Many dealers by the way do not sell their Type R's at MSRP. It is way overpriced right now and not really at the rate published by R & T. I still find the Civic more as a direct competitor to the Focus RS but R & T was going for an all Japanese line up. If Mitsubishi were still around with their EVOs then the Z would have been out of the picture. Would be different if they put a Nismo to play along.

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Jhill

The type r will be no joke of a car I'm sure but it's really a different category. I'm too old for a type r now days and won't put up with a manual in Bay Area traffic. I never understand the hate on the Vq engine, I love the note and I don't find it rough at all, I worked for Acura and compared to their v6 it is maybe only slightly rougher at upper rpm but also has a higher rpm (and more power) vs the 4 cycle, well Honda has some of the smoothest 4 cyl but I do not think the vq is rougher in anyway at all.

At the end of the day none of us are sponsored racers so drive what you enjoy and enjoy it for what it is. The z for me is happy in traffic, happy in coastal cruising and happy at the track it's just the right car for me. If I was 10 years younger the type r would be tempting (and I wouldn't have the money for it). With its inflated price and target buyer I'll be interested how many they sell.

Oh and it's that low end boost torque that is making it so fast. Small car hitting 295ft lbs at 2500 is no joke for turn exit, I think my z with bolts and tune is like 275ft lbs.. the vq is not really a torque monster they more like to rev with their overbored engine designe and I think they were around a 1.5 rod ratio.

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DamnThatZGuy

That Civic is almost 10 years newer so it doesn't really matter. People still think my 2009 370 is a brand new/modern car. I love it

MacCool

That should be no surprise to anyone here. One only needs to look at the upgrade history of the Z34 platform and the level of tech that has evolved over the last 9 years (zero).

As to getting beat by a Honda Civic...I don't care either. I own a Z because it's fun to drive. The Type R being faster doesn't affect how my car drives at all. There are a lot of cars that are faster than my Z. ****, I have a buddy with a pickup truck that will walk all over it from stoplight to stoplight. If you're buying a car for street racing and speed-bragging rights, the Z was the wrong car to buy, and that should be obvious to everyone after 9 years.

Cyber370

No, not really! The Civic Type R is a FWD family hatchback with go-fast bits added on. The 370Z is a properly designed two-seater RWD sports car. No one considering a Z would ever opt for a Type R instead (or vice versa). Comparing them is pointless. They are completely different classes of automobile. Furthermore, I seriously doubt that the Type R would have beat a (similarly priced) Z Nismo around a track. Even if it did, who cares!! Anyone who thinks that all that counts is horsepower, 0-60 times and lap times, has it all wrong and maybe they would be happier in a Type R after all.

But the true issue I have with the Type R after having seen it in person is the styling. It's a complete train wreck with enough fake vents and stick-on appendages to give even a ricer-boy nightmares. It looks godawful IMHO!! But that is just my opinion and this car is extremely polarizing so someone else may find it absolutely beautiful. I mean I had a friend once who found Rosy O'Donnell sexy. See what I'm saying? LOL.

And yeah, I'd look completely weird in a Type R at my age. Actually anyone over 19 would look weird in it. Just my 2 cents.

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BC416

The butt-hurt over this car is strong.

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markesc

The "LOOK AT ME" arms race is in full blown retard mode, and the type R is clearly in the lead.

I like the Z because there just isn't another car aside from a 911 that looks anything like it for the money. Everything here in Oregon is "Me tooooo" wrx/sti, mustang, camaro, etc vehicles.

Mustang = just too many of them/don't like the hat wearing punks that gravitate towards them / questionable quality, get the gt350 or don't bother.

Wrx/Sti = get pulled over once a month / people try to race you every day / attracts dudes, not hot blond chicks / money pit / understeer

Camaro = I actually like the camaro, but it's just too large of a vehicle and I'm not even sure it would fit in my garage, plus, too many of them on the roads

Porsche = too expensive to daily drive, but obviously it's precision german pu$$y!

Brz/Frs = unreliable if you want to go forced induction/not worth the money/too common

Miata/Fiat = sorry, still a chic car/too small/not a daily driver, but a cheap track car, but I'd feel like a wimp picking up a girl on a date in one.

VW Gti/R = Nice car, but I don't trust VW/German brands unless you plan to lease it for 24-36 months and then walk away, but an APR tune on one of these is very tempting, but still worried about reliability

Audi/BMW = too expensive/too heavy/too common/ attracts gold digger chics. I'm a fan of the updated RS3, that would be fun with an APR tune, but again, not sure on the reliability factor. Audi = under-steer. M2 seems like the only one to have, but here in Portland we have Kuni bmw and I've just heard too many horror stories about them, especially after my neighbor worked for them

Lexus = It's ironic but their styling is starting to look more reserved and age better if you want a black colored vehicle to help mask the front, which means you better have $3500 to clear bra the entire vehicle or you like spending 8 hours a week buffing/polishing/glaze/wax/going insane. If someone can make a high quality less stupid looking aftermarket from bumper for their vehicles, it would probably be my next daily (not sure on model yet).

Nissan = outside of the 370, I dislike the entire rest of the lineup, and I'd never daily a gtr or even spend that much on a car unless a pile of money drops out of the sky. The CVT's are BS... you know the rest...

Toyota = Tacoma, used is in my future!!!

Felix 808

Horsepower means little if it isn't delivered properly or can't get to the ground (spun up tires don't help much, though it can be fun ). I agree with the author that “I never feel more in the moment than when driving the Z,” The feeling of the semi Spartan interior (Get a Lotus if you want true Spartan) and the way the car corners along with looking good, It's a winner for me. But it's not the newest/fastest Blah Blah Blah... It works for me so as quoted above.. Who Cares what people say.

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Z in the 6

You made some good points that I agree with for sure, but if you drive a Z because chicks like it... buy a crotch rocket that's too big for your riding capabilities. Picking up a girl on a date in your Z is just a perk... possibly in her eyes.. but definitely in yours