the difference?

chuckd05 · 12-14-2009, 02:44 PM

why are the g3s being reffered to as long tubes? pretty lame.

semtex · 12-14-2009, 02:48 PM

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Originally Posted by chuckd05

why are the g3s being reffered to as long tubes? pretty lame.

Because they're long tube intakes. Also because Stillen makes short tube intakes, which they call the G2.

semtex · 12-14-2009, 02:50 PM

Chuck, here's a link to Stillen's product page for the G3. As you can see, they themselves call them long tubes.

STILLEN : STILLEN Generation 3 Ultra Long Tube Dual Intake Kit

CBRich · 12-14-2009, 02:51 PM

The tubes are pretty long. LOL.

jpit · 12-14-2009, 03:26 PM

With the current information it is difficult to come to a definitive conclusion. When Technosquare did the original test of the G3 on an automatic, it actually lost hp in the low and midrange and gained a little on the high end. This test was done with the front bumper on and when they removed it they showed a gain over most of the range. Later they did a test on a manual and they showed some gains with the bumper on and more with the bumper off. Others on this board show good gains with the bumper on.
I think one thing is definite - if you perform the Modshack vent modification you will measure gains regardless which intake you are using. This mod really forces cool air into the intake. One other thought - I really think that there is no way valid way to test most modifications on these cars even on a dyno. When you deal with heat soak, trying to guess how long the ecu takes to fully register the changes, and not being able to create flowing air into the engine, the results will always be suspect.

nogoodname · 12-14-2009, 03:39 PM

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Originally Posted by semtex

Because they're long tube intakes. Also because Stillen makes short tube intakes, which they call the G2.

The G3's are Ultra Long Tubes

MightyBobo · 12-14-2009, 03:40 PM

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Originally Posted by nogoodname

the g3's are ultra long tubes

Hyper Long Tubes!

semtex · 12-14-2009, 03:40 PM

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Originally Posted by nogoodname

The G3's are Ultra Long Tubes

Yeah you're right. The G2s are long tube, and the G3s are ultra long tube. I guess that makes them ultra lame.

nogoodname · 12-14-2009, 03:43 PM

So what's a short tube, does the air filter stick directly on the throttle body??

semtex · 12-14-2009, 04:00 PM

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Originally Posted by nogoodname

So what's a short tube, does the air filter stick directly on the throttle body??

STILLEN : STILLEN Generation 1 Short Tube Dual Intake Kit

It's the G1. Not made for the 370, but for the 350 as well as G35 and '08 G37.

CBRich · 12-14-2009, 06:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jpit

With the current information it is difficult to come to a definitive conclusion. When Technosquare did the original test of the G3 on an automatic, it actually lost hp in the low and midrange and gained a little on the high end. This test was done with the front bumper on and when they removed it they showed a gain over most of the range. Later they did a test on a manual and they showed some gains with the bumper on and more with the bumper off. Others on this board show good gains with the bumper on.
I think one thing is definite - if you perform the Modshack vent modification you will measure gains regardless which intake you are using. This mod really forces cool air into the intake. One other thought - I really think that there is no way valid way to test most modifications on these cars even on a dyno. When you deal with heat soak, trying to guess how long the ecu takes to fully register the changes, and not being able to create flowing air into the engine, the results will always be suspect.

If you are convinced they don't make a difference or that one can't be measured then don't get them. Of course I'm sure you'll be scratching your head when you are on the dyno looking at 15 whp less than everyone else.

jpit · 12-14-2009, 06:48 PM

Why don't you read the entire post. I didn't say that they didn't help. I have an R2C intake and the Berk HFCs and I'm sure they help. There is a lot of conflicting information on the G3s and Injens. I also did the Modshack Vent Mod and I know that helps because I can read the intake air temps. I have recently had several dynos performed with my Uprev tune and heat soak on an aluminum engine can start quickly especially when using fans (trying to create actual conditions). And can you tell me, being a true 370Z fanatic, how long it takes for the ecu to adjust to the changes everytime you make an adjustment?

Modshack · 12-14-2009, 07:11 PM

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Originally Posted by jpit

And can you tell me, being a true 370Z fanatic, how long it takes for the ecu to adjust to the changes everytime you make an adjustment?

Program Long and short term fuel trims into your scangauge and you can watch this as it happens... Usually 20-40 miles before the long term trims set.

chuckd05 · 12-16-2009, 02:37 PM

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Originally Posted by semtex

Chuck, here's a link to Stillen's product page for the G3. As you can see, they themselves call them long tubes.

STILLEN : STILLEN Generation 3 Ultra Long Tube Dual Intake Kit

haha my apologies... seemed cheesey to me... no pun intended

Zeto · 12-16-2009, 04:26 PM

Yea I did remember reading somewhere about the stock intakes being very well made and efficient. My S2000 was the same case.

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semtex A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Behind enemy lines Age: 54 Posts: 5,995 Drives: People to drink Rep Power: 32	Chuck, here's a link to Stillen's product page for the G3. As you can see, they themselves call them long tubes. STILLEN : STILLEN Generation 3 Ultra Long Tube Dual Intake Kit __________________ "There are no small accidents on this circuit." -- Ayrton Senna 316.8whp & 248 ft/lbs (Dyno Dynamics) \| 319whp & 256 ft/lbs (DynoJet) (04/23/10) Stillen G3 CAI, CBE, Pulley / F.I. LTH / GTSpec Ladder Brace / Setrab Oil Cooler / UpRev-tuned by Forged Perf.

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CBRich A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: SC Posts: 2,464 Drives: 370Z Rep Power: 544	The tubes are pretty long. LOL.

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jpit Enthusiast Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Washington State Posts: 440 Drives: 370Z Tour MT w/Spt Rep Power: 16	With the current information it is difficult to come to a definitive conclusion. When Technosquare did the original test of the G3 on an automatic, it actually lost hp in the low and midrange and gained a little on the high end. This test was done with the front bumper on and when they removed it they showed a gain over most of the range. Later they did a test on a manual and they showed some gains with the bumper on and more with the bumper off. Others on this board show good gains with the bumper on. I think one thing is definite - if you perform the Modshack vent modification you will measure gains regardless which intake you are using. This mod really forces cool air into the intake. One other thought - I really think that there is no way valid way to test most modifications on these cars even on a dyno. When you deal with heat soak, trying to guess how long the ecu takes to fully register the changes, and not being able to create flowing air into the engine, the results will always be suspect.

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nogoodname Lifetime Premium Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Montreal Posts: 22,357 Drives: E46 M3 Rep Power: 1764	So what's a short tube, does the air filter stick directly on the throttle body??

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jpit Enthusiast Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Washington State Posts: 440 Drives: 370Z Tour MT w/Spt Rep Power: 16	Why don't you read the entire post. I didn't say that they didn't help. I have an R2C intake and the Berk HFCs and I'm sure they help. There is a lot of conflicting information on the G3s and Injens. I also did the Modshack Vent Mod and I know that helps because I can read the intake air temps. I have recently had several dynos performed with my Uprev tune and heat soak on an aluminum engine can start quickly especially when using fans (trying to create actual conditions). And can you tell me, being a true 370Z fanatic, how long it takes for the ecu to adjust to the changes everytime you make an adjustment?

12-16-2009, 04:26 PM	#45 (permalink)
Zeto Track Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: North NJ Age: 40 Posts: 766 Drives: 09 Pearl White 370Z Rep Power: 267	Yea I did remember reading somewhere about the stock intakes being very well made and efficient. My S2000 was the same case.