Word of Caution

G37Sam · 12-14-2009, 05:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Pharmacist

yeah but why would any sane and rational person "stomp" on the gas in the middle of a turn? ANY car even a corolla can lose traction and crash with something like that. the point is that losing traction and crashing is hard to do in the z and definitely no easier than on most family cars and suvs, except if the driver is deliberately trying to spin the car or is just plain stupid.

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Originally Posted by shabarivas

LOL... you must not really drive the Z...

I don't get it, I really don't!

Even the best circuit drivers on this planet would tell you not to STOMP on the gas on an RWD in the middle of the turn, you accelerate before the turn, THEN BRAKE HARD take the apex line while FEATHERING on the throttle in the turn! You start pushing down on the pedal smoothly as you straighten your front wheels.

If you want to take the turn sideways, maybe you shouldn't do it on a turn that's a car wide! There simply is no room for error then! I'm 23 and trust me I love driving crazy but this is just beyond the line man.

Pharmacist · 12-14-2009, 11:21 PM

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Originally Posted by shabarivas

LOL... you must not really drive the Z...

of course i drive the z, and i drive it hard. but i dont drive like a damn imbecile. stomping on the throttle in the middle of a turn is a recipe for disaster. i turned off vdc and did just that a couple of times in empty streets just to see what would happen, and yeah the results were definitely not good. some idiots it seems like to do that a lot during their "spirited" drives, and when they wrap the car around a tree they complain the z is hard to drive and dangerous :S

Micas · 12-15-2009, 03:01 AM

I get the sense that some people don't realize they are putting other people's lives at risk with very risky manuvers. Yes, stomping on the gas in the middle of a corner is just asking for... the end result in the OP.

imag · 12-15-2009, 04:06 AM

Man, some of the people on this thread...

The OP posted his experience, was honest about it, and half the people immediately act like he didn't know how to drive.

Going to HPDE events does make you a better driver, but it doesn't make you less likely to crash. That's one of the reasons insurance companies haven't supported them well. Good drivers often just reach further into their limits.

And I know - we should all keep it to the track. But if you don't like to occasionally go out canyon carving, why did you buy the car? A track car and a volvo would make more sense.

Thanks, OP, for posting this. It is a good reminder that even experienced drivers can lose it, especially on cold tires in this car. I was in the cold rain the other day and I had almost no traction at all.

Anyway, as you were...

ricky bobby · 12-15-2009, 04:25 AM

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Originally Posted by kannibul

OK, so, how do you know what the limits of a car are, without having crossed them?

It's the same thing with a bike, over and over in the safety course (if you take it), you are told not to ride beyond your ability.

Yet, if you don't know you or your vehicle's ability, well, you sometimes get lucky and nothing gets hurt, or something does get hurt...

With my Z, sure I do stupid crap. Stupid can be fun...really fun. However, I try not to do it where I or my vehicle or other vehicles will get hurt. I've come close enough to know "OK I won't do that again"

I'm sure the OP doesn't think of himself as speed-racer or soemone off of Fast and Furious. He may have used "track terms" but by using them, it was descriptive enough to where I, someone who hasn't gone to a track, would know just about what he's referring to.

i've owned 2 hayabusas and 1 ZX11. Screw it no one got hurt lesson learned. I say get back in that Z or another Z and go through that corner again and own it!

drdre8424 · 12-15-2009, 09:29 AM

that looks like a bad day.

NYBladeZ · 12-15-2009, 11:36 AM

I drive with the VDC off, I count on my abilities to be the limiting factor...seems that many of us aren't as secure lol

didymus · 12-15-2009, 12:32 PM

It all depends on how hard you push it...

NYBladeZ · 12-15-2009, 02:54 PM

I can't always drive with the vdc on, it takes to much away from the driving experience, common sense #1 accident deterrent

370Zsteve · 12-15-2009, 03:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Duncanz

Yes that the skids and the final resting place I think the tree that I clipped is just out of frame. It was a sweeping left turn and when I accelerated out it broke loose and I ran out of talent.

+1 rep for talent statement

sorry about the car....i have my temp warning at 37F and drive accordingly if I'm already out, will not take the car out if it's under 40F with these tires, no way. I don't understand folks turning off the VDC on the street.

Modshack · 12-15-2009, 03:30 PM

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Originally Posted by NYBladeZ

I can't always drive with the vdc on, it takes to much away from the driving experience,

Not if you're smooth.,..You'll never notice it. Too many guys here treat the gas pedal like an on/off switch. It's no wonder stuff like this happens..

kannibul · 12-15-2009, 03:42 PM

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Originally Posted by ricky bobby

i've owned 2 hayabusas and 1 ZX11. Screw it no one got hurt lesson learned. I say get back in that Z or another Z and go through that corner again and own it!

I've rode that trail a few times since then. It helps that I don't remember which bend it was exactly, but that whole first part of the route I get a bit tensed up.

I've not gone that way with my Z yet - but I plan to.

kannibul · 12-15-2009, 03:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Modshack

Not if you're smooth.,..You'll never notice it. Too many guys here treat the gas pedal like an on/off switch. It's no wonder stuff like this happens..

The pedal is pretty lightly sprung....

That, and speaking for myself, I'm used to cars and trucks that aren't nearly as responsive...

It's kind of like a logarithmic scale versus a linear scale.

gumpy · 12-15-2009, 06:34 PM

Don't be so harsh on the guy,

I did a similar thing on my first car, it was an important life lesson for me and I've become a much more careful driver afterwards and have done defensive and advanced driving courses to improve my skills. Subsequently have earned full life time NCB status form my insurer and for a 25 year old male in Sydney to pay 1.2k per annum on insurance, you Sydney siders will know that's a very good effort.

OP was trying to impart life lessons so that others don't have to learn the same way. OP good on ya... Bad luck, keep safe in the future.

GingaBreadMan · 12-15-2009, 08:09 PM

It seems like the Z is too much for a lot of drivers. Amazing how many ppl have totaled their cars. I'm glad everyone is ok but WTF. Maybe some of you guys should get a 2004.5 350z. I hear they handle great.

12-15-2009, 04:06 AM	#49 (permalink)
imag Enthusiast Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Oakland, CA Posts: 446 Drives: up the wall Rep Power: 16	Man, some of the people on this thread... The OP posted his experience, was honest about it, and half the people immediately act like he didn't know how to drive. Going to HPDE events does make you a better driver, but it doesn't make you less likely to crash. That's one of the reasons insurance companies haven't supported them well. Good drivers often just reach further into their limits. And I know - we should all keep it to the track. But if you don't like to occasionally go out canyon carving, why did you buy the car? A track car and a volvo would make more sense. Thanks, OP, for posting this. It is a good reminder that even experienced drivers can lose it, especially on cold tires in this car. I was in the cold rain the other day and I had almost no traction at all. Anyway, as you were... __________________ Stillen CBE, Stillen track cooler, Stillen Gen3 Intakes, B&M short shift kit

12-15-2009, 11:36 AM	#52 (permalink)
NYBladeZ A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: New York Posts: 2,158 Drives: Lotus Exige S Rep Power: 20	I drive with the VDC off, I count on my abilities to be the limiting factor...seems that many of us aren't as secure lol __________________ 2009 Carbon Fiber/Red 370z aka Trish: Sports Package, Meisterschaft full catback, Fast Intentions Longtube Headers, Injen Long Tube Intakes, UpRev Tune: Sold 2008 Lotus Exige S Club Racer aka Bella, always leaves me smiling

12-15-2009, 02:54 PM	#54 (permalink)
NYBladeZ A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: New York Posts: 2,158 Drives: Lotus Exige S Rep Power: 20	I can't always drive with the vdc on, it takes to much away from the driving experience, common sense #1 accident deterrent __________________ 2009 Carbon Fiber/Red 370z aka Trish: Sports Package, Meisterschaft full catback, Fast Intentions Longtube Headers, Injen Long Tube Intakes, UpRev Tune: Sold 2008 Lotus Exige S Club Racer aka Bella, always leaves me smiling

12-15-2009, 08:09 PM	#60 (permalink)
GingaBreadMan Enthusiast Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: New York Posts: 313 Drives: 09 370z Sport 6spd Rep Power: 16	It seems like the Z is too much for a lot of drivers. Amazing how many ppl have totaled their cars. I'm glad everyone is ok but WTF. Maybe some of you guys should get a 2004.5 350z. I hear they handle great. __________________ ClearBra/Debadging/Tinted Head & Taillights Coming Soon:180° Customs Headlights/ISS Forged Spyder 19" 265*305/Swift Springs/STS Rear Mount Turbo

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