Not a Priority?
 

I hope this is not a repost...( see link below) but sounds like we are not a priority...I could care less I got mine..;)

"The 370Z is not a priority for us," Meunier told AutoGuide

The 370Z Is 'Not a Priority' for Nissan

Probably posted already. inb4 it gets moved for being a part of the same general topic anyway.

Kinda sucks, but in their situation, it's smart. I mean Toyota did themselves a favor in focusing on the eco market at the expense of discontinuing the Supra/MR-2/Celica.

http://banzaiskydiver.com/MuSgzyHU5C...ldier-WWII.jpg

^ nissan by dropping the Z.

Eh, lets wait and see.

Nissan/Infiniti's current line up bores me. I don't think I'll be buying another Nissan in a while. Dey don't have their priorities straight for us car guys.

The Supra hopefully will be what Nissan can't be.

I posted this, this morning on the OFFICIAL z35 thread.

Give it a year or 2, Nissan will slap the Q60 Red Sport TT engine in the Z

The Supra will be priced way out of affordability for most

Yea future rear wheel drivers with common sense will be stuck with that lame duck BRZ/FRS as their only option. Supra will be upwards of 60 to 70k and those with no common sense and too much money will buy them.

That is readily apparent, if for no other reason it is exactly the same car that it was in 2009. I'm sure that the only reason it's still in the sales brochure is that the assembly line is paid for long ago. Its sales, marketing, and manufacturing probably costs them peanuts.

Did Toyota put out pricing already?

If this is the case. Nissan is going to go on hiatus with the Z to inject a better interior, a few extra lightweight bits and sell the Z at that price range instead of selling a $40k Z. They will probably re-explore bringing back the Silvia lineup with a weak turbo 4 for the $40k lineup.

They're trying to reverse the market. Making electric vehicles the affordable lifeless vehicles that middle income people are going to work their asses off to afford and yet not have ANY motor sports fun.

As the rich get all the fun gas engines and leave the regular folk with nothing fun to drive. The rich really are trying to create what we consider normal living, exclusive to them while we are here driving in GPS based traceable cars driving to our jobs being watched on video cameras and being monitored at work by what we punch in our computers and living in the computer controlled homes where they even know what temperatures we like our homes to be when we sleep.

All this technology is not for safety or for efficiency. It's for control. And our sports cars will be completely taken away from us in 2 car generations. There will be NO AFFORDABLE sports cars.

They want the movie Equilibrium

Not yet. Given the iconic name and the power plant rumored to go in it, it will not be a penny less $60k starting. Fully optioned and high trim most likely added another 20-30k. Priced way out of the average car guy

Yeap, like the GTR. Who wants to pay for a car what it cost for a house in most normal areas. California and NY don't count. Housing is way overpriced in those areas.

I suspect they will offer an infinite variety of stripe options, a la Camaro...

Likely true. Sports cars are a niche market that is increasingly technology dependent, therefore increasingly expensive. Your choices will be between the $70,000 BMWs and the $30,000 Miatas.

Wait a second....... oh they already did that :wtf2:

Yah I pretty much agree. When a car company puts CVT trannys in a big part of their lineup (even the previously sporty Maxima and Altima), they're becoming yawn-worthy.

Some people make a big deal out of the 370Z being around since 2009, but the Giugiaro-designed VW Golf/GTi has been around since 1974(!) and each of its 7 generations look very much the same. Haven't heard anyone complain about it. That fact was mentioned in Automobile magazine

People would have a problem if the 2017 Golf had the engine, interior, electrical, colors, sound, etc. from 1974. The Z's power plant is dated, Direct injection would help fuel efficiency and tuning and most cars are going turbo direct from the manufacturer these days. The sound system is still dated especially in appearance. Auto technology has changed alot since 2008 especially with driver aids that many find appealing.

IMOP...

Sound system and driver aids?....that is one of the reasons I sold my Hellcat and purchased a Nismo all that crap made me feel like I was driving a luxury car not a true sports car. I dont miss any of that fluff in my Nismo.

Plus power plant is not dated. Dated implies it is not as good as present engines. So how do you define good? MPG? True gear heads typically don't define an engine as better because it runs cleaner and has better MPG -that is for the ECO box lovers. Horse power coupled with reliability is much more important. So the Z engine produces good horsepower and has been proven to be able to handle more with forced induction without compromising reliability. However, direct injection produces carbon build up (along with other problems) which then leads to engine issues and expensive repair that must be repeated on an ongoing basis. I had the honor to help a friend of mine repair his DI carbon build up with a walnut shell blasting ..messy, and a true PITA. After doing that..no one would want to own one. Have someone do it for you? $$ plus what self respecting gear head wants someone messing with their engine?...we all know they fix one thing and break another. The primary problem (among others) is there is no fuel being sprayed onto the backside of the intake valves which is where the carbon buildup occurs. However, our "dated" VQ37 MPFI has no problems with carbon build up. Some DI owners in denial will claim this does not occur but it takes time for this carbon build up to manifest itself and when it does symptoms include:

Drivability issues, engine not running smoothly
Engine vibration or shaking
Car jerking or surging at stops
Check engine light may be on
Cold start misfires

Sounds like DI is dated technology to a non tree huger who cares more about Performance and reliability.
Reality check: With tight fuel economy standards, this is why we are being sold it is better ..

Dont believe me?...simply type in Direction Injection and Carbon Build up on a search engine and read away....

Here is one: http://driving.ca/auto-news/news/doe...than-it-solves

The sooner you realize nissan does not care the sooner you will let go. Just look what they did to the GTR.... my local dealer hasnt sold one in 4 months lol. I loved my Z but getting out of that thing was the greatest decision i ever made. Nissan makes wonderful sports cars and milks every last dime and penny until no longer, i get that they arent special cars but for a 100k car like the gtr to be worth less than 76k in 2 years and 20k miles is beyond ridiculous, theyre economy car line up is also awful, owning a sentra and recent year maxima idk why in hell anyone would buy that over a toyota or honda. that being said i still am looking to get into a Z lololol

Wait ....:confused:

You just confirmed that although everyone wants new, in the end the Z is the best looking, best priced, most reliable performance car you can buy.

Driver aids. I hate them with a passion. I can't stand the few driver aids my Nismo has. Learn how to dang drive. Oh, I guess that is someone else's fault.

I worked for many years (over a decade) as a teir one supplier to Nissan, Subaru and Honda for engine and drivetrain assemblies.

As a result, I know each company, their engineers and management very well.

Bottom line: Nissan does not make money on the 370Z program. Not enough sales volume and margin to invest in new product design and development. I know that there are those at Nissan that have great loyalty to the long heritage of the Z product (like Corvette & Camaro, do at GM).

Problem is the the bean counters put pressure on leadership to make certain margins and payback on capital investments by program. Nissan has hopefully now gotten thier ROI on the product since production began in 2008, but I would be surprised if the bankers would be willing to invest millions in new design and tooling for a new 400Z.

I really love the 370Z product, and even liked my old 280ZX very much.

The 370Z is a great and well balanced performance sports car that is affordable.

Hang on to yours, because in 10 years when there arent any, you will be glad you kept it.

Why is everybody so worried about the future of Z cars. Most obviously love the 370, and it's not like a new Z will change your 370 at all. Times change, and markets change. Why would Nissan put a lot of money into a car that they only sell 7000 a year. It's a low cost low production car.

Well, my point was that the Z should represent more to the brand than simple unit margins. Make good margins on all the high volume models so you can afford less margin on the Z. The Z represents the brands sportiness better than the GTR to many people because it's historically more recognizable and obtainable. If you want better sales, keep the car updated and competive. Spend some on marketing and incourage grass roots racing. I'm very happy with my 280Z but am hoping for a modern equivalent to add to the stable (I love the 370 too). Come on Nissan, don't loose your identity.

On the bright side my car wont look dated and old for a while

That's nothing. The new $100k ZO6 only has 53% residual value after a 3 yr lease. Any German north of 50k loses half value after 3 yrs also.

The GTR actually holds value.

The Z holds value even better. I sold my 4.5 yr old 370z for 50% msrp

I agree, and thats exactly what they have been doing. The high volume units support the low volume niche products. Fortunately, they have kept the 370Z and not discontinued it as of late. Problem is the bean counters, they do not understand identity, brand image, heritage or legacy, and they dont care to. Its a constant battle between the marketing team and the banker types - to keep this type of car in production.

At one point in time, Ford was losing money on every car model they built, and was surviving only on the F-150 sales. Then gas went to $5/gal and F-150 sales tanked, and the Focus was their best margin product and they couldnt make enough of them lol..

A $100,000 dollar car is worth maybe $80,000 before it rolls a foot. When we sign the papers and transfer ownership it's a used car. If you can get $65,000 at four years (often the time to sell/trade) that's very good.

When I've bought a $100,000 car I want to write a check for $20,000 down to go ahead and handle the depreciation. Other wise you're immediately upside down.

Yeah, that's the point. The Z is still here because it's a heritage product being kept alive because it costs them nothing. The only way they can move it forward is by turning it into something that can provide a return on investment, makes market sense. That means a $30,000 Z34 that's in it's 10th model year, or a $65,000 niche sports car with multi-corporate engineering and multi corporate sales and hybrid tech that will let it compete with the 2019 Supra. And then the problem becomes what company will want to partner with them that can or is willing to compete in that market space? Because Nissan will never go it alone...too big a project and too much at stake. Toyota/BMW's approach is really smart.

Yes and no, I love the Z cars always have so i am bias. the Z is a great car but its far and behind in many categories these days, hell my 4d is faster.. has real trunk space and corners 10x better, and it was had for the mrsp of a sport Z. I would get in one but a used one IF that. I agree with looks and reliability but penny for penny it definitely is not, the GT, SS, are a few examples of cars that though are not "REAL" sports cars are far faster and handle better... something a sports car should dominate in. Though people say a car is not an investment doesn't mean the value should go to **** completely... just look at subaru [=

Agree for the most part minus the GTR holding value.

What's your evidence it doesn't? Have you searched used GTR inventory/price recently? Unless it has very miles, even 09' are asking well over 50k

Not anymore. The residual value today on a 2017 Z is $15,600.

Right. On a very base 29,900 car.

But hopefully you are able to negotiate at least 25% off during purchase (22,425 after 25% discount). Which nets to adjusted 69% residual after 3 years. Not bad at all considering either discontinue or complete TT engine overhaul next year or so

Before anyone say you can't get that type of deal...

https://www.cars.com/for-sale/search...28880&zc=32765

Residual value should be the value expected to sell. No way residual value is 15,600 not even a 2016 is that low......find me a 2017 for that low a price anywhere.

I just did a nationwide search for 2016 model and 2017 model and the lowest price one in the nation is 20k and 2017 is 23k and they are base models... That's a long way off from 15600....