Nissan 370Z Forum  

Whats your method when you downshift

Going in sequential order is just placing unnecessary wear and tear on those synchros, sliders and gears, if you don't plan on staying in those gears anyways. If you are

Go Back   Nissan 370Z Forum > Nissan 370Z General Area > Nissan 370Z General Discussions


Like Tree61Likes

Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 02-22-2017, 05:40 AM   #1 (permalink)
Enthusiast Member
 
OhioYJ's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2016
Location: Ohio
Posts: 261
Drives: 2016 370Z
Rep Power: 953
OhioYJ has a reputation beyond reputeOhioYJ has a reputation beyond reputeOhioYJ has a reputation beyond reputeOhioYJ has a reputation beyond reputeOhioYJ has a reputation beyond reputeOhioYJ has a reputation beyond reputeOhioYJ has a reputation beyond reputeOhioYJ has a reputation beyond reputeOhioYJ has a reputation beyond reputeOhioYJ has a reputation beyond reputeOhioYJ has a reputation beyond repute
Default

Going in sequential order is just placing unnecessary wear and tear on those synchros, sliders and gears, if you don't plan on staying in those gears anyways. If you are just downshifting to come to a stop (on the street), don't do that, drivetrain parts are expensive, brakes are cheap.

Ideally you would quickly blip the throttle to bring the RPMs up where they should be in that gear, while the clutch is in, and put it directly in the gear you want to be in. Get good enough at matching RPMs you can shift smoothly without the clutch entirely. I don't recommend this, but knowing this might get you home one day in a clutchless car (FYI).
stansens and Danthe370zman like this.
OhioYJ is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-22-2017, 10:19 AM   #2 (permalink)
Base Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2016
Location: Canada
Posts: 219
Drives: 16 370Z Nismo 6MT
Rep Power: 128
Nithmo has a reputation beyond reputeNithmo has a reputation beyond reputeNithmo has a reputation beyond reputeNithmo has a reputation beyond reputeNithmo has a reputation beyond reputeNithmo has a reputation beyond reputeNithmo has a reputation beyond reputeNithmo has a reputation beyond reputeNithmo has a reputation beyond reputeNithmo has a reputation beyond reputeNithmo has a reputation beyond repute
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by OhioYJ View Post
Going in sequential order is just placing unnecessary wear and tear on those synchros, sliders and gears, if you don't plan on staying in those gears anyways. If you are just downshifting to come to a stop (on the street), don't do that, drivetrain parts are expensive, brakes are cheap.
Actually, that's not true at all. You induce less stress on the transmission components- especially the synchros, by shifting down sequentially. It's much harder on the synchros to go from, say, 4th to 2nd, as opposed to going 4th-3rd-2nd. What that does is allows the transmission speed to stay in line with the vehicle speed. I know I'm not explaining this 100%, but suffice to say, what you're suggesting is that normal shifting of gears will result in transmission failure. That's not true. The car prefers it.

Those that are saying to just clutch in and put it in neutral when coming to a stop, are correct. There is nothing wrong with that, whatsoever.

Personally, I always sequentially go down through my gears, even if I have the clutch in and I'm coming to a complete stop. It isn't necessary at all, but it's a fun little habit for me.

I come from the Honda world, where the 6MTs and some 5MTs are notorious for the 3rd gear synchro to die prematurely. One way to help reduce this from happening is rowing down through all the gears. I've yet to meet anyone who has had transmission issues if they rely on that methodology. Of course, the GM synchromesh friction modified transmission fluid also helps a ton. Those two combined result in transmissions that last a very very long time.

My TL has a 6MT as well, and it had a bit of the 3rd gear grind occurring when I bought the car (used). It still occasionally continued even after changing from Honda transmission fluid, to GMSMFM. Since I've gotten into the habit of sequentially going through gears a few years ago, I seem to never grind anymore.
Nithmo is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-22-2017, 01:13 PM   #3 (permalink)
Enthusiast Member
 
OhioYJ's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2016
Location: Ohio
Posts: 261
Drives: 2016 370Z
Rep Power: 953
OhioYJ has a reputation beyond reputeOhioYJ has a reputation beyond reputeOhioYJ has a reputation beyond reputeOhioYJ has a reputation beyond reputeOhioYJ has a reputation beyond reputeOhioYJ has a reputation beyond reputeOhioYJ has a reputation beyond reputeOhioYJ has a reputation beyond reputeOhioYJ has a reputation beyond reputeOhioYJ has a reputation beyond reputeOhioYJ has a reputation beyond repute
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Nithmo View Post
Actually, that's not true at all. You induce less stress on the transmission components- especially the synchros, by shifting down sequentially. It's much harder on the synchros to go from, say, 4th to 2nd, as opposed to going 4th-3rd-2nd. What that does is allows the transmission speed to stay in line with the vehicle speed. I know I'm not explaining this 100%, but suffice to say, what you're suggesting is that normal shifting of gears will result in transmission failure. That's not true. The car prefers it.
The syncrho is just there to slow things down to to help the slider engage the gears. It has friction material on it for a reason. I see no reason to wear the friction material on other gears unnecessarily, not to mention those gears sliders unnecessarily. Especially as the syncros are cheap, the sliders are the expensive parts generally in every transmission I've rebuilt.

What I'm referring to a slider, is the sleeve here (this isn't from a 370z transmission, just images I had handy, It's from a Jeep transmission):



It would be what the shift fork actually is moving to engage the gears:



So while you maybe trying to keep things spinning the same speed and help things line up, I'm still of the opinion you're placing unnecessary wear on components that didn't need to be enaged in my opinion.

To each their own though. It's likely it may not matter one way or the other, and the transmission will live "long enough" either way I guess.
OhioYJ is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-22-2017, 03:35 PM   #4 (permalink)
Base Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2017
Location: Socal
Posts: 23
Drives: 2017 370Z PW 6MT
Rep Power: 9
Hungry4Real is on a distinguished road
Default

Wow, didn't know I was going to receive a lot of input on this topic and everyone's response is much appreciated
Hungry4Real is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks


Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
whats best method to clean door jambs, trunk, hood etc barncobob Detailing / Washing / Waxing / Cosmetic Maintenance and Repair 3 04-29-2016 10:34 AM
How Do I Downshift Properly? Bad Boy Engine & Drivetrain 41 10-01-2014 10:54 AM
How to Downshift with SRM? cjeezy Engine & Drivetrain 8 10-19-2011 07:50 PM
downshift to 1st gear dudesky Engine & Drivetrain 14 05-08-2011 01:44 AM
Non-fouler method >135I Intake/Exhaust 3 02-20-2010 09:45 AM


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 04:40 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.4
Copyright ©2000 - 2025, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Search Engine Optimization by vBSEO 3.6.0 PL2