Nismo vs. Sti

madeinjapan · 11-09-2016, 11:00 AM

https://www.cnet.com/roadshow/news/s...ubaru-wrx-sti/

Firebase99 · 11-09-2016, 11:34 AM

Kinda surprised at the outcome, most car rags arent very polite to the Z34.

BboyZ · 11-09-2016, 01:23 PM

Did I hear the guy right, he said 3.5 liter v6?

enkei2k · 11-09-2016, 05:50 PM

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Originally Posted by BboyZ

Did I hear the guy right, he said 3.5 liter v6?

said it twice ...

synolimit · 11-12-2016, 05:04 AM

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Originally Posted by BboyZ

Did I hear the guy right, he said 3.5 liter v6?

Stopped watching a few seconds in!

Also the new sti is 2.5??? Why's the WRX 2.0? They always been equal besides the turbo and IC layout.

OptionZero · 11-12-2016, 11:30 AM

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Originally Posted by synolimit

Stopped watching a few seconds in!

Also the new sti is 2.5??? Why's the WRX 2.0? They always been equal besides the turbo and IC layout.

I lurked on NASIOC a bit

The WRX engine is the new F20f, direct injection turbo. Bc it's new, folks speculated Subaru wasn't ready to push to 300 hp

So they used the decade old 2.5 in the sti

OptionZero · 11-09-2016, 04:44 PM

3.7 V6 RWD coupe vs 2.5L i4 AWD sedan - could not be more different platforms but they're sorta in same predicament - they're both kinda outdated

The Z34 is using the same VQ found in everything, with a dated chassis that is compromised by its dual-use in the G. Without the need for back seats I bet they coulda shrunk it down and shaved a couple hundred pounds, and then we're really cooking. But cost savings/parts sharing is where its at.

OTOH The STi is using the flawed 2.5L turbo thats around 10 years old and still has the same rod knock issue that it had when it came back. You basically need to budget in a rebuild if you're gonna mod it. The platform is also compromised by weight due to being a sedan and growing substantially from the GC8 over the generations.

Neither is really "bang for the buck" and you should be easily able to find good used versions of the same car for substantially less. I think you'd be an idiot to pay sticker on a new Z34 or Sti when you get save upwards of 10 grand for basically the same damn thing.

Factory turbo means you can add power cheaper on the Sti - to a point. With a full liter of displacement advantage the Z will always have more upside if you have the cash. And the chassis is better.

The driving experience - i got the Z because it isn't dependent on electronic AWD assistance and it would be a more raw experience. But if i wanted a second car lightly modded to bomb around in and handle wet conditions, i'd consider an STi.

random:

the STi trim adds way more to the base wrx than the nismo to the sport i think. Upgraded brakes, suspension, transmission, engine, wing. But the wrx might be a better value for certain intended uses. The Z always gonna be more limited b/c its coupe (although apparently some people want to turn it into a comfy DD SUV)

jaedub · 11-09-2016, 05:08 PM

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Originally Posted by OptionZero

OTOH The STi is using the flawed 2.5L turbo thats around 10 years old and still has the same rod knock issue that it had when it came back.

My brother recently purchased the new STi and the rod knock occurred after only 1,200 miles. Had the engine gutted and rebuilt.

ChopsZ · 11-09-2016, 09:41 PM

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Originally Posted by OptionZero

I think you'd be an idiot to pay sticker on a new Z34 or Sti when you get save upwards of 10 grand for basically the same damn thing.

I paid $26k out the door for a brand new Z with 12 miles on the clock. I'd be an idiot to save $10k buying a used one full of headaches from the previous owner with no warranty.

And as for the VQ "found in everything"... Good! It's a proven design and a damn good engine. It also still competes well with current V8 models.

I'll buy new every time and deal with monthly payments rather than screw around with someone's old neglected beater with non-stop issues.

Danthe370zman · 11-10-2016, 01:44 AM

I'm buying a new Z... after years of owning used cars I didn't want to deal with other peoples problems anymore, especially in a car like this. Reason could be as simple as that for buying one new.

OptionZero · 11-10-2016, 10:56 AM

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Originally Posted by ChopsZ

I paid $26k out the door for a brand new Z with 12 miles on the clock. I'd be an idiot to save $10k buying a used one full of headaches from the previous owner with no warranty.

And as for the VQ "found in everything"... Good! It's a proven design and a damn good engine. It also still competes well with current V8 models.

I'll buy new every time and deal with monthly payments rather than screw around with someone's old neglected beater with non-stop issues.

Thats really on you, i guess, for only looking at neglected beaters with non-stop issues.

Clean used versions are available, its up to the shopper to be patient and discerning.

Danthe370zman · 11-10-2016, 11:16 AM

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Originally Posted by OptionZero

Thats really on you, i guess, for only looking at neglected beaters with non-stop issues.

Clean used versions are available, its up to the shopper to be patient and discerning.

Yeah it's really his fault that other people don't take care of their cars. People don't ever lie about condition when selling a used car.

RumbleFish · 11-10-2016, 12:16 PM

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Originally Posted by ChopsZ

I paid $26k out the door for a brand new Z with 12 miles on the clock. I'd be an idiot to save $10k buying a used one full of headaches from the previous owner with no warranty.

And as for the VQ "found in everything"... Good! It's a proven design and a damn good engine. It also still competes well with current V8 models.

I'll buy new every time and deal with monthly payments rather than screw around with someone's old neglected beater with non-stop issues.

That's why I bought a CPO Z...already used the warranty to address CSC & get a new tranny after 5th gear began to grind.

I do agree that buying a used Z w/o a warranty is risky business.

UNKNOWN_370 · 11-12-2016, 05:18 PM

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Originally Posted by OptionZero

3.7 V6 RWD coupe vs 2.5L i4 AWD sedan - could not be more different platforms but they're sorta in same predicament - they're both kinda outdated

The Z34 is using the same VQ found in everything, with a dated chassis that is compromised by its dual-use in the G. Without the need for back seats I bet they coulda shrunk it down and shaved a couple hundred pounds, and then we're really cooking. But cost savings/parts sharing is where its at.

OTOH The STi is using the flawed 2.5L turbo thats around 10 years old and still has the same rod knock issue that it had when it came back. You basically need to budget in a rebuild if you're gonna mod it. The platform is also compromised by weight due to being a sedan and growing substantially from the GC8 over the generations.

Neither is really "bang for the buck" and you should be easily able to find good used versions of the same car for substantially less. I think you'd be an idiot to pay sticker on a new Z34 or Sti when you get save upwards of 10 grand for basically the same damn thing.

Factory turbo means you can add power cheaper on the Sti - to a point. With a full liter of displacement advantage the Z will always have more upside if you have the cash. And the chassis is better.

The driving experience - i got the Z because it isn't dependent on electronic AWD assistance and it would be a more raw experience. But if i wanted a second car lightly modded to bomb around in and handle wet conditions, i'd consider an STi.

random:

the STi trim adds way more to the base wrx than the nismo to the sport i think. Upgraded brakes, suspension, transmission, engine, wing. But the wrx might be a better value for certain intended uses. The Z always gonna be more limited b/c its coupe (although apparently some people want to turn it into a comfy DD SUV)

That dated chassis pulls in the 1g family on the skidpad. It can stand to be lightened by a couple hundred lbs, but how is the chassis dated?

OptionZero · 11-09-2016, 05:28 PM

Yeah Subaru has the FB20F (2.0 turbo in WRx) which is much newer than the STi engine.

Presumably that will yield the engine in the next generation STi

Seems like even less reason to buy the current Sti at new prices. It's about to be outdated. Buy a used one and rebuild the engine for durability, then go to town.

Z34's VQ37 is old but i don't see a Z35 on the horizon ($$$ reasons). They'd probably use the Q60 engine. It might lose a manual transmission, a deal breaker.

11-09-2016, 11:00 AM	#1 (permalink)
madeinjapan Banned Join Date: Jan 2016 Location: pistolvania Posts: 1,387 Drives: 2013 g37x 2014 370z Rep Power: 0	Nismo vs. Sti https://www.cnet.com/roadshow/news/s...ubaru-wrx-sti/

11-09-2016, 11:34 AM	#2 (permalink)
Firebase99 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Sep 2013 Location: fl Posts: 1,372 Drives: 14 3.8 Gen Coupe GT Rep Power: 14034	Kinda surprised at the outcome, most car rags arent very polite to the Z34. __________________ '14 3.8 Genesis Coupe, '13 Volvo S60, '04 Honda Accord, '13 370Z-sold, '05 350Z Touring-sold, '92 300Z Twin Turbo-sold, '82 280ZX-gone, '79 260Z-gone

11-09-2016, 04:44 PM	#7 (permalink)
OptionZero A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: Sacramento Posts: 3,251 Drives: 15 370Z Nismo 6MT Rep Power: 214100	3.7 V6 RWD coupe vs 2.5L i4 AWD sedan - could not be more different platforms but they're sorta in same predicament - they're both kinda outdated The Z34 is using the same VQ found in everything, with a dated chassis that is compromised by its dual-use in the G. Without the need for back seats I bet they coulda shrunk it down and shaved a couple hundred pounds, and then we're really cooking. But cost savings/parts sharing is where its at. OTOH The STi is using the flawed 2.5L turbo thats around 10 years old and still has the same rod knock issue that it had when it came back. You basically need to budget in a rebuild if you're gonna mod it. The platform is also compromised by weight due to being a sedan and growing substantially from the GC8 over the generations. Neither is really "bang for the buck" and you should be easily able to find good used versions of the same car for substantially less. I think you'd be an idiot to pay sticker on a new Z34 or Sti when you get save upwards of 10 grand for basically the same damn thing. Factory turbo means you can add power cheaper on the Sti - to a point. With a full liter of displacement advantage the Z will always have more upside if you have the cash. And the chassis is better. The driving experience - i got the Z because it isn't dependent on electronic AWD assistance and it would be a more raw experience. But if i wanted a second car lightly modded to bomb around in and handle wet conditions, i'd consider an STi. random: the STi trim adds way more to the base wrx than the nismo to the sport i think. Upgraded brakes, suspension, transmission, engine, wing. But the wrx might be a better value for certain intended uses. The Z always gonna be more limited b/c its coupe (although apparently some people want to turn it into a comfy DD SUV) Last edited by OptionZero; 11-09-2016 at 04:49 PM.

11-10-2016, 01:44 AM	#10 (permalink)
Danthe370zman Base Member Join Date: Oct 2016 Location: Asheville N.C. Posts: 41 Drives: 17 370Z Sport Rep Power: 9	I'm buying a new Z... after years of owning used cars I didn't want to deal with other peoples problems anymore, especially in a car like this. Reason could be as simple as that for buying one new. ChopsZ likes this.

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