2005 GTO or 2016 Z

Lemkey99 · 09-25-2016, 07:11 AM

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Originally Posted by NTMG

Thanks for you input. I was hoping to get some good info about the Z. No replacment for displacement. I do think the Z is a beutaful car. I see one or two a day. I see one or two GTO's every 3 mo. Yes it is old so is the 2009 Z but Z looks better IMO

If you decide to dump the GTO let me know. I would consider taking it off your hands. I could use it as a winter beater.

ChopsZ · 09-25-2016, 07:58 AM

GTO 6.0L performance is rather lack-luster considering the size of the engine and the small amount of power it produces (only 400 hp) which is typical of American V8's. You can typically find smaller German or Japanese V6's that make the same or more power.

The GTO is rated to do 0-60 mph in 4.6 sec. The Z can do it in 4.5 sec.

The GTO is rated to do the 1/4 mile in 13.5 sec. The Z can do it in 12.9 sec.

In a drag race (stop light warrior), those don't look like winning numbers to me.

With that in mind, I have no idea what MadSciSnails was thinking when he said "If your into the stop light warrior scene you will not be happy with the z".

Plus, the Z is a hell of a lot better looking, better built, lighter, and can go around corners with ease.

But, you all know what they say about opinions...

MadSciSnails · 09-25-2016, 10:00 AM

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Originally Posted by ChopsZ

GTO 6.0L performance is rather lack-luster considering the size of the engine and the small amount of power it produces (only 400 hp) which is typical of American V8's. You can typically find smaller German or Japanese V6's that make the same or more power.

The GTO is rated to do 0-60 mph in 4.6 sec. The Z can do it in 4.5 sec.

The GTO is rated to do the 1/4 mile in 13.5 sec. The Z can do it in 12.9 sec.

In a drag race (stop light warrior), those don't look like winning numbers to me.

With that in mind, I have no idea what MadSciSnails was thinking when he said "If your into the stop light warrior scene you will not be happy with the z".

Plus, the Z is a hell of a lot better looking, better built, lighter, and can go around corners with ease.

But, you all know what they say about opinions...

I'm not referring to the car in its stock form. As was stated I'm referring to the gains received dollar for dollar in mods. If you know how to use a wrench 2500 dollars puts you well above the 500 mark with that old Pontiac. That can't be said for the 370. Also without question the Z is far better looking. Through time the Z cars have always been some of the best looking cars on the market IMO. That like most other things is in the eye of the beholder.

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Duc_Z09 · 09-25-2016, 10:54 AM

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Originally Posted by ChopsZ

GTO 6.0L performance is rather lack-luster considering the size of the engine and the small amount of power it produces (only 400 hp) which is typical of American V8's. You can typically find smaller German or Japanese V6's that make the same or more power.

The GTO is rated to do 0-60 mph in 4.6 sec. The Z can do it in 4.5 sec.

The GTO is rated to do the 1/4 mile in 13.5 sec. The Z can do it in 12.9 sec.

The small amount of power per displacement argument with American cars used to be true, but not so much anymore. A 5.0 Mustang GT makes like 430hp these days bone stock, and check out the Focus RS if you want a pocket rocket Z killer. I'm not sure where you're getting your 4.5s and 12.9s numbers from, but those aren't realistic for a Z in stock trim. I've also read 5.2s and high 13s, so take magazine racing for what it's worth... pretty much nothing. Also, the aftermarket for domestics kicks our @ss. No getting around it, dollar per dollar it's waaaaaay cheaper to make big power with a Chevy v8 than anything else. And Ford isn't far behind. Check out American Muscle, CJ Pony Parts, etc. It's almost disgusting the kind of power $5k will buy on a domestic these days, and you can't even get into a Stillen SC kit for our cars for that. At least not if you want to do it right.

The Z is better looking for sure and comes with nicer components than you'd typically find on a domestic unless you shell out for a special edition of some sort.

UNKNOWN_370 · 09-25-2016, 02:35 PM

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Originally Posted by ChopsZ

The GTO is rated to do 0-60 mph in 4.6 sec. The Z can do it in 4.5 sec.

The GTO is rated to do the 1/4 mile in 13.5 sec. The Z can do it in 12.9 sec.

In a drag race (stop light warrior), those don't look like winning numbers to me.

But, you all know what they say about opinions...

I would loooooove to know where you got your numbers from. Because those numbers sound like a Z with intake/exhaust before a tune.

The only Z going to 60 in 4.6 seconds is the auto, when the stars moon and quasars alone if you're not taking off with a foot of roll-out.

12.9 quarters. Again you have to own a auto for it to be 13.1. Which is achievable on the regular.

13.0 when the stars and moons and quasars align12.9 with intake exhaust and no tune. From a roll the Z can keep up with or beat a GTO off the line if you own a auto you can run with a gto.

If you own a manual z you're looking at 13.3 and to 60 about 5.0 sec flat. You are right about opinions but your facts are all off.

ChopsZ · 09-25-2016, 04:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Duc_Z09

The small amount of power per displacement argument with American cars used to be true, but not so much anymore. A 5.0 Mustang GT makes like 430hp these days bone stock, and check out the Focus RS if you want a pocket rocket Z killer.

I'm not talking about the new American V8's, I'm referring to the ones that were available around the time of the OP's 2005 GTO.

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Originally Posted by Duc_Z09

I'm not sure where you're getting your 4.5s and 12.9s numbers from, but those aren't realistic for a Z in stock trim. I've also read 5.2s and high 13s

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Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370

I would loooooove to know where you got your numbers from. Because those numbers sound like a Z with intake/exhaust before a tune.

The only Z going to 60 in 4.6 seconds is the auto, when the stars moon and quasars alone if you're not taking off with a foot of roll-out.

12.9 quarters. Again you have to own a auto for it to be 13.1. Which is achievable on the regular.

13.0 when the stars and moons and quasars align12.9 with intake exhaust and no tune. From a roll the Z can keep up with or beat a GTO off the line if you own a auto you can run with a gto.

If you own a manual z you're looking at 13.3 and to 60 about 5.0 sec flat. You are right about opinions but your facts are all off.

All of this is sheer nonsense, and I'm not going to get into a debate about it either.

Any competent driver with a manual and good traction can meet those numbers. It has nothing to do with magazine reviews or an automatic transmission. Hell, there's even multiple threads on this very forum with members posting those numbers in their totally stock MT Z's. All you have to do is do a search.

Now all of a sudden it's an impossible task and those numbers can only be achieved under extremely perfect and/or bazaar conditions?

Oh, and let's not forget the extra 40 lbs or so for the AT as well as the greater drivetrain loss over the MT.

Either way, it boils down to which driver is better, and who cares anyway? Does it really matter that much?

In the end, my facts are NOT "all wrong".

YYZ · 09-25-2016, 08:45 PM

My A4 2006 stock GTO ran 13.29 @106. That was considered a fast run for that car. They do seem to pull good on the top end.

YYZ · 09-25-2016, 08:50 PM

timeslip

UNKNOWN_370 · 09-26-2016, 02:20 AM

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Originally Posted by ChopsZ

I'm not talking about the new American V8's, I'm referring to the ones that were available around the time of the OP's 2005 GTO.

All of this is sheer nonsense, and I'm not going to get into a debate about it either.

Any competent driver with a manual and good traction can meet those numbers. It has nothing to do with magazine reviews or an automatic transmission. Hell, there's even multiple threads on this very forum with members posting those numbers in their totally stock MT Z's. All you have to do is do a search.

Now all of a sudden it's an impossible task and those numbers can only be achieved under extremely perfect and/or bazaar conditions?

Oh, and let's not forget the extra 40 lbs or so for the AT as well as the greater drivetrain loss over the MT.

Either way, it boils down to which driver is better, and who cares anyway? Does it really matter that much?

In the end, my facts are NOT "all wrong".

I'm as competent as it gets. The fastest I pushed my car doing about 20 runs was 13.0 before mods. It was one out of 20.

It matters when you're kicking inaccuracies about BOTH vehicles. I have seat time in both. I have over 5 years in my Z.

All I have to do is search? I've been here since the beginning my man. I know everyone here who has put a credible time down. But anyway....

Some of us don't have to fanboy up and make up numbers to feel pride for our cars... others not so much.

ChopsZ · 09-26-2016, 02:17 PM

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Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370

I'm as competent as it gets. The fastest I pushed my car doing about 20 runs was 13.0 before mods. It was one out of 20.

It matters when you're kicking inaccuracies about BOTH vehicles. I have seat time in both. I have over 5 years in my Z.

All I have to do is search? I've been here since the beginning my man. I know everyone here who has put a credible time down. But anyway....

Some of us don't have to fanboy up and make up numbers to feel pride for our cars... others not so much.

Yeah well, just because you've been here since the beginning doesn't prove anything. I'm not a fanboy of anyone or anything, whether you believe that or not. Doesn't really matter to me. I'm just stating what I've read from multiple sources on multiple occasions over the years. Inaccuracies according to who? At this point, it's pretty much a he said/she said thing.

Funny, back in 2010 when people were posting those exact numbers on this forum, they weren't catching any flack about it.

BTW, just because you've owned your Z for 5 years doesn't mean you're the best driver out there for the Z either. But you know what, I don't know anything about you nor do you know anything about me, so let's just leave it at that. Enough of this bickering.

UNKNOWN_370 · 09-26-2016, 03:08 PM

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Originally Posted by ChopsZ

Yeah well, just because you've been here since the beginning doesn't prove anything. I'm not a fanboy of anyone or anything, whether you believe that or not. Doesn't really matter to me. I'm just stating what I've read from multiple sources on multiple occasions over the years. Inaccuracies according to who? At this point, it's pretty much a he said/she said thing.

Funny, back in 2010 when people were posting those exact numbers on this forum, they weren't catching any flack about it.

BTW, just because you've owned your Z for 5 years doesn't mean you're the best driver out there for the Z either. But you know what, I don't know anything about you nor do you know anything about me, so let's just leave it at that. Enough of this bickering.

Lol.... the only one bickering is you. I may or may not be the best driver of my Z. But I've pushed it to its limits. Some of my acquaintances here have pushed it to the limits. I'm only speaking on PROVEABLE sources.

But whatever dude. Knock out another 10 paragraphs to say absolutely nothing.

Peace.

Larso1 · 09-26-2016, 03:36 PM

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Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370

I would loooooove to know where you got your numbers from. Because those numbers sound like a Z with intake/exhaust before a tune.

The only Z going to 60 in 4.6 seconds is the auto, when the stars moon and quasars alone if you're not taking off with a foot of roll-out.

12.9 quarters. Again you have to own a auto for it to be 13.1. Which is achievable on the regular.

13.0 when the stars and moons and quasars align12.9 with intake exhaust and no tune. From a roll the Z can keep up with or beat a GTO off the line if you own a auto you can run with a gto.

If you own a manual z you're looking at 13.3 and to 60 about 5.0 sec flat. You are right about opinions but your facts are all off.

Here's one place, take your pick of 0-60 times depending on year and trim level. Looks like the earlier year 370z's are the quickest:

Nissan 0-60 Times & Nissan Quarter Mile Times | Nissan GT-R, 370Z, Maxima, Altima, Pathfinder, Murano & more 0 to 60 stats!

Can't vouch for the sources, but are supposed to be from major car mags. Also, don't forget the effects of elevation above sea level. You lose about 3% hp for every 1000-ft rise in elevation, cumulative. Unless, of course, you have forced induction. I'm at 4700-ft above SL. You really notice the difference, even seat of the pants acceleration.

UNKNOWN_370 · 09-26-2016, 06:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Larso1

Here's one place, take your pick of 0-60 times depending on year and trim level. Looks like the earlier year 370z's are the quickest:

Nissan 0-60 Times & Nissan Quarter Mile Times | Nissan GT-R, 370Z, Maxima, Altima, Pathfinder, Murano & more 0 to 60 stats!

Can't vouch for the sources, but are supposed to be from major car mags. Also, don't forget the effects of elevation above sea level. You lose about 3% hp for every 1000-ft rise in elevation, cumulative. Unless, of course, you have forced induction. I'm at 4700-ft above SL. You really notice the difference, even seat of the pants acceleration.

This source takes roll-out times modded and not modded. No way to know if there was intake n exhaust or suspension upgrades. You can get up to .3 seconds more acceleration times on a suspension upgrade alone. Which on a track one might call stock but is still modified

This source is exactly why I said what I said.

Larso1 · 09-26-2016, 07:22 PM

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Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370

This source takes roll-out times modded and not modded. No way to know if there was intake n exhaust or suspension upgrades. You can get up to .3 seconds more acceleration times on a suspension upgrade alone. Which on a track one might call stock but is still modified

This source is exactly why I said what I said.

Where on this web site does it say that? WTF are you talking about?

UNKNOWN_370 · 09-26-2016, 07:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Larso1

Where on this web site does it say that? WTF are you talking about?

The site clearly states that they gather their information off of thousands of periodicals around the world. So we dont know if the cars are fully stock or have been mildly modified for specific tracks. While you can call those cars generically stock, unless they provide a source?
Some tracks will consider some types of mods as stock, hence this site being inaccurate for a baseline 0-60 time. We can only determine this with direct sources that verbally or in writing say these are stock times, as we know stock.

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ChopsZ Track Member Join Date: May 2016 Location: Central Florida Age: 49 Posts: 965 Drives: 2016 370Z GM 6MT Rep Power: 2301	GTO 6.0L performance is rather lack-luster considering the size of the engine and the small amount of power it produces (only 400 hp) which is typical of American V8's. You can typically find smaller German or Japanese V6's that make the same or more power. The GTO is rated to do 0-60 mph in 4.6 sec. The Z can do it in 4.5 sec. The GTO is rated to do the 1/4 mile in 13.5 sec. The Z can do it in 12.9 sec. In a drag race (stop light warrior), those don't look like winning numbers to me. With that in mind, I have no idea what MadSciSnails was thinking when he said "If your into the stop light warrior scene you will not be happy with the z". Plus, the Z is a hell of a lot better looking, better built, lighter, and can go around corners with ease. But, you all know what they say about opinions... axmea?, ped, breitwbo and 1 others like this. __________________ She's For Sale! PERFORMANCE: Aero Workz \| Akebono \| BC Racing \| EcuTek \| HKS \| MaxBore \| Motordyne \| Nismo \| RJM \| SPL \| StopTech \| Z1 AUDIO: Arc Audio \| Bazooka \| Helix \| Pioneer \| Stereo Integrity

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YYZ Base Member Join Date: Aug 2016 Location: Raleigh Posts: 71 Drives: 370z sport 6m 2015 Rep Power: 9	My A4 2006 stock GTO ran 13.29 @106. That was considered a fast run for that car. They do seem to pull good on the top end.