Challenger SRT8 vs. 370Z

ChopsZ · 07-13-2016, 09:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Duc_Z09

I don't get that at all. What's so great about Japanese engineering? That's like the BMW and Mercedes fanboys who rave on and on about how great German engineering is because back in the 80's those cars were superior to the crap Detroit was producing back in the day. Now it's kind of a joke. IMO Japanese engineering has taken a step back (Honda reliability sure isn't what it used to be) and American engineering is at least as good now as anything else (my wife's '05 v6 mustang has 240k on the clock and is still going).

Actually Nissan makes a bunch of $h*t cars IMO. I mean, I'd never own a Versa; it's cheap junk. The Z and GT-R are literally the only things Nissan makes currently that I'd own. And most Japanese cars are boring as crap. I literally can't think of one current model offhand that I'd buy other than the 2 Nissans I mentioned.

Considering all of the crap ALL of the American companies made from the mid 70's on up to about the early 2000's. Crap materials, crap reliability, crap designs. It was horrible for a good 40 years for American vehicles. Hence why more than half of them went out of business over the years.

Japanese and European manufacturers have had fuel injection, disc brakes and independent suspension for the past 30+ years. And then variable valve timing all the way back in 1980, thanks to Alfa Romeo, then Honda with their VTEC in 1989.

The Japanese and European manufacturers were always the leaders in automotive technology (among many other areas as well). Granted, American engineering and quality has finally come a long way, but only in the last 10 years or so, and especially in the last 4 to 5 years.

Duc_Z09 · 07-13-2016, 09:14 PM

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Originally Posted by ChopsZ

Considering all of the crap ALL of the American companies made from the mid 70's on up to about the early 2000's. Crap materials, crap reliability, crap designs. It was horrible for a good 40 years for American vehicles. Hence why more than half of them went out of business over the years.

Japanese and European manufacturers have had fuel injection, disc brakes and independent suspension for the past 30+ years. And then variable valve timing all the way back in 1980, thanks to Alfa Romeo, then Honda with their VTEC in 1989.

The Japanese and European manufacturers were always the leaders in automotive technology (among many other areas as well). Granted, American engineering and quality has finally come a long way, but only in the last 10 years or so, and especially in the last 4 to 5 years.

This is true. However I get annoyed when people apply the standards of yesteryear to the products that are actually being offered today. I've also worked on enough Corollas and whatnot to know that something can be well engineered and still be cheap junk.

ChopsZ · 07-13-2016, 09:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Duc_Z09

This is true. However I get annoyed when people apply the standards of yesteryear to the products that are actually being offered today. I've also worked on enough Corollas and whatnot to know that something can be well engineered and still be cheap junk.

Well that's mainly due to the fact that over here in the states, it's what most of us have been forced to grow up with over the years, crappy American vehicles. Then again, the Japanese and European cars of the same time period were far superior quality wise, and typically with superior technology as well.

Of course, with the lower end models, the manufacturers have to compromise in order to stay within a certain price point, so there will be cheaper materials used throughout.

On that note, try to think about how many '87 Chevy Chevette's or Ford Escort's you've seen lately vs an '87 Honda Civic or Accord, or Mazda RX-7 or 323, or Nissan Sentra or 300ZX.

I honestly can't remember the last time I saw an '87 Chevette or Escort.

And just off the top of my head, no more Pontiac, Oldsmobile, Mercury, Plymouth, Saturn...

Japanese car companies?... Scion.

Duc_Z09 · 07-14-2016, 08:34 AM

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Originally Posted by ChopsZ

I honestly can't remember the last time I saw an '87 Chevette or Escort.

Good.

barncobob · 07-14-2016, 03:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Duc_Z09

Good.

an escort from 87 sounds great to me

sunkist350z · 07-13-2016, 09:40 PM

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Originally Posted by ChopsZ

Considering all of the crap ALL of the American companies made from the mid 70's on up to about the early 2000's. Crap materials, crap reliability, crap designs. It was horrible for a good 40 years for American vehicles. Hence why more than half of them went out of business over the years.

Japanese and European manufacturers have had fuel injection, disc brakes and independent suspension for the past 30+ years. And then variable valve timing all the way back in 1980, thanks to Alfa Romeo, then Honda with their VTEC in 1989.

The Japanese and European manufacturers were always the leaders in automotive technology (among many other areas as well). Granted, American engineering and quality has finally come a long way, but only in the last 10 years or so, and especially in the last 4 to 5 years.

Hence, General Motors bankruptcy 2008 nuff said. Would never buy a GM car even a vette.

cv129 · 07-13-2016, 09:48 PM

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Originally Posted by sunkist350z

Hence, General Motors bankruptcy 2008 nuff said. Would never buy a GM car even a vette.

Nissan was practically bankrupt in 99 then Renault swooped in to save it.

ChopsZ · 07-13-2016, 09:55 PM

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Nissan was practically bankrupt in 99 then Renault swooped in to save it.

And now Nissan is doing the same with Mitsubishi.

sunkist350z · 07-13-2016, 09:58 PM

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Originally Posted by cv129

Nissan was practically bankrupt in 99 then Renault swooped in to save it.

Practically aka "all most" does not count, full retard does.

cv129 · 07-13-2016, 10:13 PM

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Originally Posted by sunkist350z

Practically aka "all most" does not count, full retard does.

If Nissan had climbed out of that hole themselves, then yes "almost" doesn't count. It got a saving hand from Renault. We will agree to disagree.

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