Would you be willing to pay for an oil cooler as a factory-installed option?

370sed · 11-24-2009, 08:31 AM

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Originally Posted by ConchZ2

No need for an oil cooler in New England............

It's 80-90+ degrees mid summer...

1) I'm at NJMP, or Le Circuit MT, or Calabogie, or Limerock Park for an HPDE. I plan on a full tilt interm/advanced group day of tracking. I don't need an oil cooler?

2) I'm in stop and go traffic in Boston, NY, Phili, etc. The pavement is broiling, the traffic is thick. I don't need a oil cooler?

in hot

oil

Just my opinion, but if there are questions that one is needed by some significant % of the people that buy the car (and there is apparently) then it should be either standard to err on the side of safety and lessening warranty issues coming up.... or in a 'track pkg' that can be purchased and dealer installed. That way everyone is happy. IOW, not everyone is happy running an engine on the bleeding edge of acceptable temperature ranges, just because the engineers say it's possible and the engine will last (at least until the warranty runs out).

Alternative question. If the Z was a plane, would you be satisfied with the oil temp performance/lack of oil cooler as evidenced by multiple peoples reports on this forum? In that case - your life could depend on it - in the car case, it's potentially (only) your pocketbook.

ConchZ2 · 11-24-2009, 10:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 370sed

It's 80-90+ degrees mid summer...

1) I'm at NJMP, or Le Circuit MT, or Calabogie, or Limerock Park for an HPDE. I plan on a full tilt interm/advanced group day of tracking. I don't need an oil cooler?

2) I'm in stop and go traffic in Boston, NY, Phili, etc. The pavement is broiling, the traffic is thick. I don't need a oil cooler?

in hot

oil

Just my opinion, but if there are questions that one is needed by some significant % of the people that buy the car (and there is apparently) then it should be either standard to err on the side of safety and lessening warranty issues coming up.... or in a 'track pkg' that can be purchased and dealer installed. That way everyone is happy. IOW, not everyone is happy running an engine on the bleeding edge of acceptable temperature ranges, just because the engineers say it's possible and the engine will last (at least until the warranty runs out).

Alternative question. If the Z was a plane, would you be satisfied with the oil temp performance/lack of oil cooler as evidenced by multiple peoples reports on this forum? In that case - your life could depend on it - in the car case, it's potentially (only) your pocketbook.

1)………yes………….track = oil cooler
2)………no……………street driving = no oil cooler

I bet Nissan is thinking about removing the oil temperature gauge in future Z’s

It would end this entire BS

Modshack · 11-24-2009, 11:14 AM

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Originally Posted by ConchZ2

I bet Nissan is thinking about removing the oil temperature gauge in future Z’s

It would end this entire BS

If they're smart they will.....Ignorance is bliss

imag · 11-24-2009, 12:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Modshack

If they're smart they will.....Ignorance is bliss

Glad we got oil temp gauges. I hate all this hidden crap. It drives me nuts that the water temp is basically fake.

Modshack · 11-24-2009, 12:25 PM

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Originally Posted by imag

Glad we got oil temp gauges. I hate all this hidden crap. It drives me nuts that the water temp is basically fake.

I'm an information junky too. Get a Scangauge if you want to know what's going on..

ConchZ2 · 11-24-2009, 01:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Modshack

If they're smart they will.....Ignorance is bliss

Lack of knowledge results in happiness

kenchan · 11-24-2009, 01:37 PM

i remember i was much happier when i was much younger.

modshack- is that a 370Z specific bracket?

SpawnAeroJohn · 11-24-2009, 01:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Red370

Nissan has known about the issue for some time now, why should we pay for a product defect? Thats the way I look at it, the oil cooler should have come already installed as an OEM part.

I dont own a Z but I agree 100%.

Modshack · 11-24-2009, 02:01 PM

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Originally Posted by kenchan

modshack- is that a 370Z specific bracket?

Made em for another application, but fits the Z perfectly. I have a few left email or PM me..

More pics: http://public.fotki.com/ttschwing/370z-stuff/scangauge/

shadow2k · 11-25-2009, 02:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 370sed

It's 80-90+ degrees mid summer...

1) I'm at NJMP, or Le Circuit MT, or Calabogie, or Limerock Park for an HPDE. I plan on a full tilt interm/advanced group day of tracking. I don't need an oil cooler?

2) I'm in stop and go traffic in Boston, NY, Phili, etc. The pavement is broiling, the traffic is thick. I don't need a oil cooler?

in hot

oil

Just my opinion, but if there are questions that one is needed by some significant % of the people that buy the car (and there is apparently) then it should be either standard to err on the side of safety and lessening warranty issues coming up.... or in a 'track pkg' that can be purchased and dealer installed. That way everyone is happy. IOW, not everyone is happy running an engine on the bleeding edge of acceptable temperature ranges, just because the engineers say it's possible and the engine will last (at least until the warranty runs out).

Alternative question. If the Z was a plane, would you be satisfied with the oil temp performance/lack of oil cooler as evidenced by multiple peoples reports on this forum? In that case - your life could depend on it - in the car case, it's potentially (only) your pocketbook.

1. Yeah, but you're tracking the car. Its been made very clear that if you intend to track the car, an oil cooler is going to be needed.

2. No, not even close

If the Z was a plane, you'd have to fly within the FAA regulated speed limits. The oil temp would be a non issue.

schrute · 11-25-2009, 02:41 AM

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Originally Posted by ConchZ2

I bet Nissan is thinking about removing the oil temperature gauge in future Z’s

It would end this entire BS

Reminds me of the first year current generation Xterra we bought my wife a few years ago. The oil pressure gauge on that car was legit - went up and down a lot. Freaked people out that didn't understand that oil pressure varies quite a bit in normal operation. Forums were full of "is this normal" questions and a lot of buyers thinking their car had a problem.

The following year we bought me a Frontier (same drivetrain) and the oil pressure gauge was dumbed down. Stayed right in the middle and never moved. Nissan had responded to customer concern by adjusting the gauge to read in the middle of it's dial over a wide pressure range, only rising or falling with dramatic increases or decreases in pressure. Calls to Nissan Consumer Affairs and forum activity on the subject fell dramatically. Problem solved.

Hopefully the Z doesn't share a similar fate. I like gauges, especially ones that give accurate data.

schrute · 11-25-2009, 02:48 AM

Oh yeah, +1 on the Scangauge. Wouldn't be without one now that I'm used to having it.

And +1 on Modshack's bracket. I got one and it works great!

Pharmacist · 11-25-2009, 06:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by schrute

Reminds me of the first year current generation Xterra we bought my wife a few years ago. The oil pressure gauge on that car was legit - went up and down a lot. Freaked people out that didn't understand that oil pressure varies quite a bit in normal operation. Forums were full of "is this normal" questions and a lot of buyers thinking their car had a problem.

The following year we bought me a Frontier (same drivetrain) and the oil pressure gauge was dumbed down. Stayed right in the middle and never moved. Nissan had responded to customer concern by adjusting the gauge to read in the middle of it's dial over a wide pressure range, only rising or falling with dramatic increases or decreases in pressure. Calls to Nissan Consumer Affairs and forum activity on the subject fell dramatically. Problem solved.

Hopefully the Z doesn't share a similar fate. I like gauges, especially ones that give accurate data.

I think I read somewhere this is also the reason why many OEM tire pressure gauges don't give the actual numerical pressure anymore, too many stupid people freaked out and thought something was wrong when the pressure went up during the first few minutes after driving.

Mike · 11-25-2009, 08:47 AM

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Originally Posted by shadow2k

1. Yeah, but you're tracking the car. Its been made very clear that if you intend to track the car, an oil cooler is going to be needed.

2. No, not even close

If the Z was a plane, you'd have to fly within the FAA regulated speed limits. The oil temp would be a non issue.

FAA only has speed limits below 10000 feet.

Matt · 11-25-2009, 08:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Mike

FAA only has speed limits below 10000 feet.

Who's to say the Z would be flying higher than 10000 ft?

View Poll Results: Would you be willing to pay for an oil cooler as a factory-installed option?
Yes, I'd be willing to pay up to an additional $500	88	61.11%
Yes, I'd be willing to pay up to an additional $1000	14	9.72%
Yes, and I'd be willing to pay in excess of an additional $1000	5	3.47%
No, I want an oil cooler, but I'm not willing to pay extra for it	18	12.50%
No, I have no need or desire for an oil cooler	19	13.19%
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schrute Track Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: utah Posts: 781 Drives: my z every day Rep Power: 17	Oh yeah, +1 on the Scangauge. Wouldn't be without one now that I'm used to having it. And +1 on Modshack's bracket. I got one and it works great! __________________ my journal \| 2009 370z touring \| 6mt \| platinum graphite \| my album second skin \| mr works \| fast intentions \| ssr \| eibach \| hotchkis \| spc \| toyo \| bluebatmobile \| v-led \| jwt \| ventureshield \| tinted tails

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kenchan A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: N/A Posts: 76,801 Drives: N/A Rep Power: 141521	i remember i was much happier when i was much younger. modshack- is that a 370Z specific bracket?