Would you be willing to pay for an oil cooler as a factory-installed option?

Modshack · 11-24-2009, 10:14 AM

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Originally Posted by ConchZ2

I bet Nissan is thinking about removing the oil temperature gauge in future Z’s

It would end this entire BS

If they're smart they will.....Ignorance is bliss

imag · 11-24-2009, 11:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Modshack

If they're smart they will.....Ignorance is bliss

Glad we got oil temp gauges. I hate all this hidden crap. It drives me nuts that the water temp is basically fake.

ConchZ2 · 11-24-2009, 12:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Modshack

If they're smart they will.....Ignorance is bliss

Lack of knowledge results in happiness

schrute · 11-25-2009, 01:41 AM

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Originally Posted by ConchZ2

I bet Nissan is thinking about removing the oil temperature gauge in future Z’s

It would end this entire BS

Reminds me of the first year current generation Xterra we bought my wife a few years ago. The oil pressure gauge on that car was legit - went up and down a lot. Freaked people out that didn't understand that oil pressure varies quite a bit in normal operation. Forums were full of "is this normal" questions and a lot of buyers thinking their car had a problem.

The following year we bought me a Frontier (same drivetrain) and the oil pressure gauge was dumbed down. Stayed right in the middle and never moved. Nissan had responded to customer concern by adjusting the gauge to read in the middle of it's dial over a wide pressure range, only rising or falling with dramatic increases or decreases in pressure. Calls to Nissan Consumer Affairs and forum activity on the subject fell dramatically. Problem solved.

Hopefully the Z doesn't share a similar fate. I like gauges, especially ones that give accurate data.

schrute · 11-25-2009, 01:48 AM

Oh yeah, +1 on the Scangauge. Wouldn't be without one now that I'm used to having it.

And +1 on Modshack's bracket. I got one and it works great!

Pharmacist · 11-25-2009, 05:27 AM

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Originally Posted by schrute

Reminds me of the first year current generation Xterra we bought my wife a few years ago. The oil pressure gauge on that car was legit - went up and down a lot. Freaked people out that didn't understand that oil pressure varies quite a bit in normal operation. Forums were full of "is this normal" questions and a lot of buyers thinking their car had a problem.

The following year we bought me a Frontier (same drivetrain) and the oil pressure gauge was dumbed down. Stayed right in the middle and never moved. Nissan had responded to customer concern by adjusting the gauge to read in the middle of it's dial over a wide pressure range, only rising or falling with dramatic increases or decreases in pressure. Calls to Nissan Consumer Affairs and forum activity on the subject fell dramatically. Problem solved.

Hopefully the Z doesn't share a similar fate. I like gauges, especially ones that give accurate data.

I think I read somewhere this is also the reason why many OEM tire pressure gauges don't give the actual numerical pressure anymore, too many stupid people freaked out and thought something was wrong when the pressure went up during the first few minutes after driving.

shadow2k · 11-25-2009, 01:18 AM

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Originally Posted by 370sed

It's 80-90+ degrees mid summer...

1) I'm at NJMP, or Le Circuit MT, or Calabogie, or Limerock Park for an HPDE. I plan on a full tilt interm/advanced group day of tracking. I don't need an oil cooler?

2) I'm in stop and go traffic in Boston, NY, Phili, etc. The pavement is broiling, the traffic is thick. I don't need a oil cooler?

in hot

oil

Just my opinion, but if there are questions that one is needed by some significant % of the people that buy the car (and there is apparently) then it should be either standard to err on the side of safety and lessening warranty issues coming up.... or in a 'track pkg' that can be purchased and dealer installed. That way everyone is happy. IOW, not everyone is happy running an engine on the bleeding edge of acceptable temperature ranges, just because the engineers say it's possible and the engine will last (at least until the warranty runs out).

Alternative question. If the Z was a plane, would you be satisfied with the oil temp performance/lack of oil cooler as evidenced by multiple peoples reports on this forum? In that case - your life could depend on it - in the car case, it's potentially (only) your pocketbook.

1. Yeah, but you're tracking the car. Its been made very clear that if you intend to track the car, an oil cooler is going to be needed.

2. No, not even close

If the Z was a plane, you'd have to fly within the FAA regulated speed limits. The oil temp would be a non issue.

Mike · 11-25-2009, 07:47 AM

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Originally Posted by shadow2k

1. Yeah, but you're tracking the car. Its been made very clear that if you intend to track the car, an oil cooler is going to be needed.

2. No, not even close

If the Z was a plane, you'd have to fly within the FAA regulated speed limits. The oil temp would be a non issue.

FAA only has speed limits below 10000 feet.

Matt · 11-25-2009, 07:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Mike

FAA only has speed limits below 10000 feet.

Who's to say the Z would be flying higher than 10000 ft?

kannibul · 11-23-2009, 07:59 AM

I'm sure the reason for this thread is that Nissan states that the reason they didn't install the oil cooler, was due to it bringing the cost up on the vehicle to where it was outside of their target market.

That's total bull, since it wouldn't even cost the consumer $500, and I got more than that knocked off the MSRP anyway.

370Zsteve · 11-23-2009, 08:01 AM

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Originally Posted by kannibul

I'm sure the reason for this thread is that Nissan states that the reason they didn't install the oil cooler, was due to it bringing the cost up on the vehicle to where it was outside of their target market.

That's total bull, since it wouldn't even cost the consumer $500, and I got more than that knocked off the MSRP anyway.

No, according to the OP: The sole purpose of this poll is to ascertain how many people would actually be willing to pay extra for an oil cooler

kdo2milger · 11-23-2009, 08:42 AM

voted for option 1

kannibul · 11-23-2009, 11:17 AM

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Originally Posted by 370Zsteve

No, according to the OP: The sole purpose of this poll is to ascertain how many people would actually be willing to pay extra for an oil cooler

True, but also consider the test cars for magazine reviewers also had an oil cooler.

It's as if Nissan figured out that they could add some more profit to the cars and that they'd be fine without a cooler for 98% of the buying public, instead of having a slightly lower profit margin, and satisfy 100% of the buying public.

10000 370z's produced, 2% would be 200 cars. Actually, I think that's even a bit high. More like 0.5% would be the number of people who are unhappy that there isn't an oil cooler.

I'm not saying it is an issue, nor am I saying it's not. I do think it's a bit shady to give the magazine reviewers one thing, get the great reviews, then sell something different to the public.

Therefore, that's why I say it'd not be an issue if the car's price increased $500 or less, and came with an oil cooler "as advertised" by magazine reviews.

ConchZ2 · 11-23-2009, 12:05 PM

[QUOTE=kannibul;292689]"True, but also consider the test cars for magazine reviewers also had an oil cooler".

That’s because every “merkin” face magazine reviewer is going drive it like it’s in a demolition derby!

Merkin - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

vipor · 11-23-2009, 08:49 AM

voted for option 2.

NOTES: 500$ would be nice, but it's not reasonable to expect parts AND labor to cost that amount. I understand that if it were on all models that they may be able to get down to that point, but we're talking about an add-on. I would give it 4-600$ in parts (must include thermostat-style bypass) and the rest for labor. Then you're talking 4-6 hours at $100/hr (low average for most shops) for the install.

View Poll Results: Would you be willing to pay for an oil cooler as a factory-installed option?
Yes, I'd be willing to pay up to an additional $500	88	61.11%
Yes, I'd be willing to pay up to an additional $1000	14	9.72%
Yes, and I'd be willing to pay in excess of an additional $1000	5	3.47%
No, I want an oil cooler, but I'm not willing to pay extra for it	18	12.50%
No, I have no need or desire for an oil cooler	19	13.19%
Voters: 144. You may not vote on this poll

11-25-2009, 01:48 AM	#5 (permalink)
schrute Track Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: utah Posts: 781 Drives: my z every day Rep Power: 17	Oh yeah, +1 on the Scangauge. Wouldn't be without one now that I'm used to having it. And +1 on Modshack's bracket. I got one and it works great! __________________ my journal \| 2009 370z touring \| 6mt \| platinum graphite \| my album second skin \| mr works \| fast intentions \| ssr \| eibach \| hotchkis \| spc \| toyo \| bluebatmobile \| v-led \| jwt \| ventureshield \| tinted tails

11-23-2009, 08:42 AM	#12 (permalink)
kdo2milger OG Priesthood Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Fargo, ND Posts: 17,859 Drives: NISMO T Rep Power: 60	voted for option 1 __________________ Project *NISMO*

11-23-2009, 08:49 AM	#15 (permalink)
vipor A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Euless, TX [ DFW ] Age: 42 Posts: 13,531 Drives: Nismo 09-0183 QAB Rep Power: 49	voted for option 2. NOTES: 500$ would be nice, but it's not reasonable to expect parts AND labor to cost that amount. I understand that if it were on all models that they may be able to get down to that point, but we're talking about an add-on. I would give it 4-600$ in parts (must include thermostat-style bypass) and the rest for labor. Then you're talking 4-6 hours at $100/hr (low average for most shops) for the install. __________________ 2009 NISMO # 0193 \| QAB \| Albums! \| 05.04.10 (Dynojet) 291.94hp/248.28tq Oil Cooler (DIY) \| Custom Headlights \| GTSPEC Braces \| F.I. Long Tube Headers

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11-23-2009, 07:59 AM	#10 (permalink)
kannibul A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Jenks, OK Posts: 2,281 Drives: 370z Touring/Sport Rep Power: 267	I'm sure the reason for this thread is that Nissan states that the reason they didn't install the oil cooler, was due to it bringing the cost up on the vehicle to where it was outside of their target market. That's total bull, since it wouldn't even cost the consumer $500, and I got more than that knocked off the MSRP anyway.

11-23-2009, 12:05 PM	#14 (permalink)
ConchZ2 Enthusiast Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: connecticut Posts: 329 Drives: 09 370Z red 6sp sprt Rep Power: 17	[QUOTE=kannibul;292689]"True, but also consider the test cars for magazine reviewers also had an oil cooler". That’s because every “merkin” face magazine reviewer is going drive it like it’s in a demolition derby! Merkin - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia