Unpopular Post (no doubt but...)

elmz · 11-22-2009, 09:51 PM

I think every car is going to have some issues. Whether its personal like "too much road noise" or a technical issue like "stuck hatch problem". Obviously, personal issues are not shared by everyone, and the same can be said about technical issues. I owned a 350Z for 4.5 years and had no technical issues with it. Sure I had some personal issues about the "plastic interior" but it wasn't a deal breaker for me. And so far I have no personal issues with the 370, and thus far no technical issues either. Don't let the negative things you read on this forum steer you away from purchasing a great car. Think of it this way, I'm sure this forum has over a thousand members, and only a few handful of them ARE experiencing some issues. And I bet you if you asked them if they regret buying one, they'd tell you "no way".

cab83_750 · 11-22-2009, 04:24 PM

I am the one with a replAced engine.

In summary, even though I am used to German engineering, I will buy another Z in a heartbeat.

nicknick · 11-22-2009, 05:19 PM

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Originally Posted by cab83_750

I am the one with a replAced engine.

In summary, even though I am used to German engineering, I will buy another Z in a heartbeat.

what is this German Engineering malarchy? Is it immune from defects? People go on about German Engineering as if there is no better. Porsche rear main oil seal anyone??

370Zsteve · 11-22-2009, 05:22 PM

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Originally Posted by nicknick

what is this German Engineering malarchy? Is it immune from defects? People go on about German Engineering as if there is no better. Porsche rear main oil seal anyone??

LOL I'm with you. Japanese engineering ftw!

And and +1 rep 4 u

Micas · 11-22-2009, 05:46 PM

I don't get this whole "good ol' days" thing. It seems that in just about every discussion of anything, people seem to have a filtered view of the past. I imagine it's probably related to human coping mechanisms. The painful memories are always obscured in favor of the good. It's just how we're wired.

In this case, cars today are far and away supperior in just about every way to cars made just 10 years ago.

Sure, there are things that could be better. Sure, there are some mistakes made that can be eliminated. Sure, cars made 10 years from now will be much better than the cars made today. That's just the nature of technology and manufacturing.

If a person can't deal with a few minor mistakes when considering such a fantastic car as the 370Z, then they should simply go buy something else. It's that simple. Of course, that other car will have it's own issues as well, and a person could go on an elusive hunt for the defect free car that would be on par with their distorted memories of cars in the past.

Or.. you can just get the Z and be happy with it's strengths and stop fooling oneself about what cars used to be.

Matt · 11-22-2009, 07:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Micas

I don't get this whole "good ol' days" thing.

Good ole days = days before the Internet

Before there were discussion forums, nobody knew about the high pitch noise "that guy in California" has or the oil burning issue "that guy in Texas" has.

Ignorance was bliss.

cab83_750 · 11-22-2009, 06:09 PM

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Originally Posted by nicknick

what is this German Engineering malarchy? Is it immune from defects? People go on about German Engineering as if there is no better. Porsche rear main oil seal anyone??

Mr Miata,

there is no absolute in life; no guarantees; and, nothing is perfect. Did anyone say that German cars are immune to defects? No one! I, for one, did not.

Did you ever own a Porsche before?

Do you even own a Z?

And now back to me, did I not say that I would own one in a heartbeat?

You are reading to much or perhaps too little in the messages.

In either case you read my message incorrectly. To others if you read my note the same way as mr miata, my aplologies. Again I LOVE My 370

cheers. Let's watch "The Sound of Music" together for peace and harmony.

370Zsteve · 11-22-2009, 06:12 PM

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Originally Posted by cab83_750

Let's watch "The Sound of Music" together for peace and harmony.

No way, that's an Austrian family, lol. Let's all watch Ninja Assassin!

cab83_750 · 11-22-2009, 06:14 PM

Xxx

370Zsteve · 11-22-2009, 06:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cab83_750

Mr Miata,

there is no absolute in life; no guarantees; and, nothing is perfect. Did anyone say that German cars are immune to defects? No one! I, for one, did not.

Did you ever own a Porsche before?

Do you even own a Z?

And now back to me, did I not say that I would own one in a heartbeat?

You are reading to much or perhaps too little in the messages.

In either case you read my message incorrectly. To others if you read my note the same way as mr miata, my aplologies. Again I LOVE My 370

cheers. Let's watch "The Sound of Music" together for peace and harmony.

Is there a reason you posted this twice?

Modshack · 11-22-2009, 06:22 PM

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Originally Posted by 370Zsteve

Is there a reason you posted this twice?

Sometimes you have to poke em in BOTH eyes to get a point across...

6MT · 11-22-2009, 06:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Slynky

So, I'm still pondering a 370Z and I've been semi-lurking/posting here for a few weeks now. And while the prices don't seem too far out of whack with what I can swing, as an old person, I try to put my money into some kind of quality.

So, is it just me remembering how things used to be or is it now expected cars come off the assembly line with too many defects and incomplete design/component testiing?

To wit, a brief review of the various threads I've read:

Hatch problem (Nissan won't fix and the "coin repair");

Oil heat problems;

Paint defects;

High pitch whine / ECU noise;

Engine oil leaks (and at least one engine replaced);

Shifting problems (1-->2) and shifting/clunking noises (differential?).

(and maybe other problems I haven't even seen yet)

Now, I have a Nissan PU ('98) and I had to take it to the dealer 3 times for a cab leak (water) and it's never been fixed and a repair to something in the steering wheel column down in the engine bay. And the right-side mirror can't be tightened enough to keep it from vibrating (I've gotten used to it).

And my RSX had a TSB on the strut housing or something (clunking when turning and going slowly over a speed bump or driveway) and a known shifting problem that you have to fight like hell with to get Acura to deal with.

SO...

Having said all this, a couple of questions:

Is this number of problems with a new car to be expected these days? What happened to all that quality I learned to expect from Japanese cars? For those with multiple problems, would you buy again? Should some of these problems be fixed in 2010 (or do you think Nissan will just continue to pass them along as long as sales are doing as well as they want)?

Yeah, I'm rambling and I don't expect every question to be answered but if you feel like commenting, I'd appreciate it. And if you feel like flaming me, go ahead and take a shot. I know I'm in the forum where people are likely to get upset at my comments.

Yep, I agree, you should not buy a Z.

510z · 11-22-2009, 08:22 PM

I have found that the stuck hatch issue only occures when it is colder outside. living in phoenix I never had a stuck hatch issue until the temps started hitting the low 50s high 40s at night. even then just hitting the button a second time pops it open.

SmoothZ · 11-22-2009, 08:47 PM

lol....

The Grayline Blog Archive 2010 Camaro SS Recall On Battery Cable

370Zsteve · 11-22-2009, 09:57 PM

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Originally Posted by SmoothZ

lol....

The Grayline Blog Archive 2010 Camaro SS Recall On Battery Cable

"The 2010 Camaro recall is for a manufacturing defective battery cable. Essentially this makes the Camaro completely die or in worst case scenarios catch fire. As of this posting no fires have been reported due to the battery cable rubbing up agains the Camaro starter."

Folks here are concerned with such mundane issues compared to the new Chevy owners.

11-22-2009, 06:14 PM	#9 (permalink)
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11-22-2009, 09:51 PM	#1 (permalink)
elmz Track Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 674 Drives: 2014 Porsche Boxster Rep Power: 18	I think every car is going to have some issues. Whether its personal like "too much road noise" or a technical issue like "stuck hatch problem". Obviously, personal issues are not shared by everyone, and the same can be said about technical issues. I owned a 350Z for 4.5 years and had no technical issues with it. Sure I had some personal issues about the "plastic interior" but it wasn't a deal breaker for me. And so far I have no personal issues with the 370, and thus far no technical issues either. Don't let the negative things you read on this forum steer you away from purchasing a great car. Think of it this way, I'm sure this forum has over a thousand members, and only a few handful of them ARE experiencing some issues. And I bet you if you asked them if they regret buying one, they'd tell you "no way".

11-22-2009, 04:24 PM	#2 (permalink)
cab83_750 Track Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: CA Posts: 887 Drives: 09 NISSAN 370Z Rep Power: 417	I am the one with a replAced engine. In summary, even though I am used to German engineering, I will buy another Z in a heartbeat.

11-22-2009, 05:46 PM	#5 (permalink)
Micas Base Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: D/FW Posts: 54 Drives: 2004 G35 Coupe Rep Power: 16	I don't get this whole "good ol' days" thing. It seems that in just about every discussion of anything, people seem to have a filtered view of the past. I imagine it's probably related to human coping mechanisms. The painful memories are always obscured in favor of the good. It's just how we're wired. In this case, cars today are far and away supperior in just about every way to cars made just 10 years ago. Sure, there are things that could be better. Sure, there are some mistakes made that can be eliminated. Sure, cars made 10 years from now will be much better than the cars made today. That's just the nature of technology and manufacturing. If a person can't deal with a few minor mistakes when considering such a fantastic car as the 370Z, then they should simply go buy something else. It's that simple. Of course, that other car will have it's own issues as well, and a person could go on an elusive hunt for the defect free car that would be on par with their distorted memories of cars in the past. Or.. you can just get the Z and be happy with it's strengths and stop fooling oneself about what cars used to be.

11-22-2009, 08:22 PM	#13 (permalink)
510z Enthusiast Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Phoenix Posts: 328 Drives: 09 370z Blue M6 Rep Power: 17	I have found that the stuck hatch issue only occures when it is colder outside. living in phoenix I never had a stuck hatch issue until the temps started hitting the low 50s high 40s at night. even then just hitting the button a second time pops it open.

11-22-2009, 08:47 PM	#14 (permalink)
SmoothZ A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Arrakis Posts: 7,952 Drives: giant sandworm Rep Power: 36	lol.... The Grayline Blog Archive 2010 Camaro SS Recall On Battery Cable