i guess one issue i have with some low esteem miata drivers are they think they are being looked down on and drive around like arseholes around faster cars like the Z and my STI.

its like i dont care if ur little car is fast or slow vs my cars or looks like a pos (older gen). u enjoy ur car da way u want to and LEAVE ME OUT OF IT.

i think the current mx5 looks pretty cool. it's definitely a fun looking car.

I actually considered getting a new MX5 or a BRZ. But when you are built like a division II fullback, those exceptionally engineered vehicles just don't fit.

They were invented so you can be able to shift while keeping both hands on wheel at all times. You are 2x as likely to lose control of a vehicle driving with one hand. That's why you're taught 10 n 2 driving. At high velocity this measure has enhanced benefits.

Common sense bruh.

But people don't see how texting n driving isn't dangerous either....

now ure just showing off... :gtfo2:

Ok.... An old a$$ division II fullback.

:rofl2:


but yah, those cars are kinda built for the smaller crowd for sure.

Okay, I assume your hands move around with the steering wheel when you are turning, correct? So you are taking them off the wheel or loosening your grip to hit the paddles which don't move around the wheel. It's not as far, but it's still movement.

I would say that comparing percentages, automatic and manual drivers crash just as much. It's a poor argument.

Disagree. Common sense says you should never be shifting if you are at the limits of grip. Not sure if you have any real track time or not, but if so you would be painfully aware that if you are at the limit *controlling* the car with 2 hands you have no need to shift. If you feel the need to shift gears mid turn, you were in the wrong gear entering the turn :) Apply power on turnout, you can safely and easily shift a manual. :driving:

Shift controls on the wheel (and really automatic/manuals that shift faster then a human) are for scraping those few tenths off a hot lap time: no one is disputing that. Most paddle shifters are in a fixed position which also prevents shifting while turning the car at the limits.

Paddles serve zero purpose on the street in terms of making a car 'faster'.

As for texting, sort of a tangent but I don't think anyone that is of sound mind would argue that either: texting is more dangerous then a drunk who is at least looking forward and attempting to control the car.

Almost got hit the other day while jogging near my house by a house frau in an SUV.

You know because you see the phone and the top of their heads instead of their eyes and hands :)

- b

Yah, I would NEVER shift while mid turn near the limits. Very dangerous. Better just bounce off the limiter.

The best is when you downshift from 3rd to 2nd at the apex of a turn at your car's limits and lose control :ugh2:

it makes me so happy to know this devolved into another AT/MT thread :)

You must really enjoy losing that argument :tup:

yet the AT doesn't lose the race :tiphat:

You can have have your 1/256th of a second advantage in a drag race :rolleyes:

But that doesn't make you any less of a bitch :stirthepot:

doesn't matter if you win by an inch or a mile.......

:stirthepot:

I'd rather lose than be a vagina ;)

i'll stick my AT stick right up your vagina.......dry :yum:

no no no... you're the one with a vagina ... perfect for your AT stick :eekdance:

yes like I said my AT stick, your vagina, raw, dry, possibly with some quik dry on it for traction :yum:

His stick can move up/down and side to side. Way more room to wiggle in your gaping vagina. Your stick just goes up and down.

Now if I were a gay man, I'd prefer the fun of taking it in a 4D spacial realm instead of just your typical in and out. 1/256th of a second faster or not. :roflpuke2:

go the extra mile and get the miata AT. lol

but my knob is bigger........

FP can u drive an MT? like i mean really drive it heel and toe and all?

just wondering. cause next car im getting will be AT and yes i can drive MT. just a choice cause i dont want to ruin my expensive dress shoes. :p

yes I can drive an MT car. as for heel toe, I've done it but it was playing around never like full on 100% track mode stuff since my MT's were in my younger days when all ATs were atrocious nasty trannys.

I haven't had to do it in awhile but it would surely come back. last MT I drove hard was in a E46 M3 competition model, short throw, coilovers, cage, etc.... it was a good bit of fun. I actually really liked it.

was hoping to have a 03 911 turbo to play with soon but that fell through. :(

do any of you guys(?) work for a living?:p

pretty sure we do :tup:

Yah unless I need full braking I use the side of my foot to blip. for me it was like learning a musical instrument. Took yrs to perfect. I lol at "MT drivers" dat can't brake and blip at the same time coming up on a turn or to a stop light ..Like drivers dat have non SRV cars aka STI, S2K, MX5, etc.. :gtfo2: Too bad Nissan came up with SRV. Real MT guys don't need it.

Another annoying feature on newer MT cars is hill brake assist. Faking feels like da car is going to stall. :mad:

Unknown, you're starting to show your age. It's been 9 & 3 for sometime now ;)

Regarding texting, been a witness to numerous close calls. Sad thing is that most of these drivers were so involved texting or on their phone, they never realized how close they were to causing someone else, so much pain :shakes head:

Ah yes, the "hill-holder" brake assist developed by Bendix, and first optional on the 1936 Studebaker..... one of the "newer MT cars." 😏

low self esteem is associated with the person, not the cars he/she owns. I am sure some Z owners have similar issues. :rolleyes:

I'm guilty... not that I don't practice but I am definitely guilty of using the s-mode to downshift more than my capabilities without it

I've never experienced it... but yea kinda takes away the fun of moving your feet fast :icon17:

u seem to know a lot about this problem. :icon17:

yah, but the Z's lagging throttle response, its better to just use srv on this car. :D

going uphill from a stop i just blip the throttle while im still holding the brake and engage the clutch. there is no fast moving feet. the only time i use e-brake is backing out of a down hill parking spot. but then u introduce hill assist braking, the faking brakes do not release when u want it to which can potentially cause a stall. :ugh: my STI has this feature i really dont need.

I noticed that when it was off which is not that big of an issue when just cruising but when you started getting spirited it was like really clunky. haven't tried as much after the tune srv off... waiting for warmer weather first lol

is the hill assist/brake assist on/off switch or always on? :shakes head:

Forgot to mention immaturity as well.... so there you go. low self-esteem and immaturity. sounds familiar?

u sound like a pro! :tup:

I haz a gopro!

im not sure. i think one might be able to defeat it somehow, but i haven't messed with it. i dont usually let the car roll anyway so it's not a big deal but that first few times when the car was brand new and while i was still familiarizing myself with the car, it bothered me.

nice. mine is a geezerpro (hero2) :ugh:

Mines the chinese knockoff. GoHero