EPA Ban Mods - Not sure if this is a big deal or not

1slow370 · 02-12-2016, 08:37 PM

I love all the people who are all "they never fine me, or i will never run cats" do any of you get that this isnt about us its about the manufacturers? They are fining companies not you so you wont have any Fing test pipes to buy. And oh yeah it wont make your race car illegal, unless it is modified then yeah it will.

1slow370 · 02-12-2016, 08:45 PM

Also just to clarify the only vehicles exempt from this would be 1969 and earlier pre federal emissions vehicles (not including 1970-1975 pre cat cars since they were still epa regulated just before converters came out), and PURPOSE BUILT RACE CARS. HINT your car that is now just a racer car is not purpose built it came from the factory as a road car and that is all that matters. If it was EVER a road car it doesnt qualify for exemption.

1slow370 · 02-12-2016, 08:47 PM

Also they removed the small manufacturer exemption so lotus cars and the like can no longer be registered in the usa

Mike · 02-12-2016, 10:10 PM

and, its not even a bill or law, its a regulation being written by bureaucrats who are not beholden to the voters. We need obama out, and if you are thinking of sanders, you can really look forward to this and more rules like it.

1slow370 · 02-12-2016, 10:38 PM

Its not about wjo is president and who isnt the epa is useless at this point. China produces more emissions every year than we can reduce in 10. What can the us epa do without going to war on china? Sit down, shut up, and stop trying to look important to the general public even though the entire new mandate (all 700plus pages of it) is only going to reduce us emmisions by 1.3% over the next 10 F'ing years.

Edit: instead of doing nothing about air polutiin except hurting the economy why dont they actually try to fix the water shortages on the western half of the country by i dunno actually increasing our water sources? Desalination plants maybe?

Spooler · 02-13-2016, 01:27 AM

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Originally Posted by 1slow370

I love all the people who are all "they never fine me, or i will never run cats" do any of you get that this isnt about us its about the manufacturers? They are fining companies not you so you wont have any Fing test pipes to buy. And oh yeah it wont make your race car illegal, unless it is modified then yeah it will.

Yeap, the EPA has already hit the Diesel truck mod market. Many folks went out of business. The EPA fined them back into the dark ages. That is why I still have my 2004 truck.

Z_ealot · 02-13-2016, 10:27 AM

For anyone not believing that the EPA isnt going after your converted race car here is an in depth analysis done by motortrend on the proposed revisions to the laws

EPA's Real Target: The Automotive Aftermarket - Motor Trend

Nismodean · 02-13-2016, 02:32 PM

I don't know why you guys are even bothered with this, this will never pass. The industry is too f*cking large for something like this to happen! Do you think they'll shut down all the companies and make unemployment sky rocket?

IF they do their will ALWAYS be some schmuck who will take $50 and pass my car.

1slow370 · 02-13-2016, 02:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Nismodean

I don't know why you guys are even bothered with this, this will never pass. The industry is too f*cking large for something like this to happen! Do you think they'll shut down all the companies and make unemployment sky rocket?

IF they do their will ALWAYS be some schmuck who will take $50 and pass my car.

it has already been approved it doesn't have to PASS they are the f"ing EPA not congress bro. they hid it in a document about commercial vehicles in order to sneak it through, the period for public review ended in September it just isn't active yet. IT HAS PASSED fool it gets codified on July first with the yearly update to CFR section 40. Only an act from congress running contrary to it, direct action by the president to make the epa change its mind, or a victim of the new regulation bringing a long drawn out legal battle to the supreme court can do anything about it now.

edit: just to clarify it is a regulation not a law so no vote required but it carries the same weight also its not about a schmuck taking 50 bucks to pass your car, good luck getting a turbo kit if they start going after companies that i dunno create ecu software flash utilities like they are talking about doing.

if anyone wants to read how the epa can make regulations without anyone voting on them at all read thishttp://www.epa.gov/laws-regulations/...latory-process

God-Speed · 02-13-2016, 03:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Mike

and, its not even a bill or law, its a regulation being written by bureaucrats who are not beholden to the voters. We need obama out, and if you are thinking of sanders, you can really look forward to this and more rules like it.

Rusty · 02-13-2016, 05:55 PM

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Originally Posted by God-Speed

brucelidat · 02-13-2016, 07:54 PM

what constitutes a 'race car'?

brucelidat · 02-13-2016, 07:59 PM

Upon reading some of the details, this only refers to mods that affect smog so it's basically what we already have here in California. Basically onlu CARB mods allowed.

Zipper 104 · 02-13-2016, 08:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Mike

and, its not even a bill or law, its a regulation being written by bureaucrats who are not beholden to the voters. We need obama out, and if you are thinking of sanders, you can really look forward to this and more rules like it.

Maybe someone will fix this for you. You forgot to put ' Trump is the solution'.

104

git@no · 02-13-2016, 08:11 PM

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02-12-2016, 08:37 PM	#46 (permalink)
1slow370 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: In the D Posts: 3,732 Drives: v8 74 260z ;) Rep Power: 7251	I love all the people who are all "they never fine me, or i will never run cats" do any of you get that this isnt about us its about the manufacturers? They are fining companies not you so you wont have any Fing test pipes to buy. And oh yeah it wont make your race car illegal, unless it is modified then yeah it will. __________________ ANSWER PRICE LIST Answers - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - $0.75 Answers (requiring thought) - - - - $1.25 Answers (correct) - - - - - - - - - - $12.50

02-12-2016, 08:45 PM	#47 (permalink)
1slow370 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: In the D Posts: 3,732 Drives: v8 74 260z ;) Rep Power: 7251	Also just to clarify the only vehicles exempt from this would be 1969 and earlier pre federal emissions vehicles (not including 1970-1975 pre cat cars since they were still epa regulated just before converters came out), and PURPOSE BUILT RACE CARS. HINT your car that is now just a racer car is not purpose built it came from the factory as a road car and that is all that matters. If it was EVER a road car it doesnt qualify for exemption. __________________ ANSWER PRICE LIST Answers - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - $0.75 Answers (requiring thought) - - - - $1.25 Answers (correct) - - - - - - - - - - $12.50

02-12-2016, 08:47 PM	#48 (permalink)
1slow370 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: In the D Posts: 3,732 Drives: v8 74 260z ;) Rep Power: 7251	Also they removed the small manufacturer exemption so lotus cars and the like can no longer be registered in the usa __________________ ANSWER PRICE LIST Answers - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - $0.75 Answers (requiring thought) - - - - $1.25 Answers (correct) - - - - - - - - - - $12.50

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Mike The370Z.com Sponsor Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Loganville, GA Posts: 5,944 Drives: 370z Rep Power: 2186	and, its not even a bill or law, its a regulation being written by bureaucrats who are not beholden to the voters. We need obama out, and if you are thinking of sanders, you can really look forward to this and more rules like it. KaienZ34, God-Speed and Masterbeatty like this. __________________ NISSAN: 75 280Z / 86 300ZX GLL /87 Sentra SE / 03 350Z / 23 Z Porsche: 93 968 / 23 Macan GTS / 93 968

02-12-2016, 10:38 PM	#50 (permalink)
1slow370 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: In the D Posts: 3,732 Drives: v8 74 260z ;) Rep Power: 7251	Its not about wjo is president and who isnt the epa is useless at this point. China produces more emissions every year than we can reduce in 10. What can the us epa do without going to war on china? Sit down, shut up, and stop trying to look important to the general public even though the entire new mandate (all 700plus pages of it) is only going to reduce us emmisions by 1.3% over the next 10 F'ing years. Edit: instead of doing nothing about air polutiin except hurting the economy why dont they actually try to fix the water shortages on the western half of the country by i dunno actually increasing our water sources? Desalination plants maybe? __________________ ANSWER PRICE LIST Answers - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - $0.75 Answers (requiring thought) - - - - $1.25 Answers (correct) - - - - - - - - - - $12.50 Last edited by 1slow370; 02-12-2016 at 10:41 PM.

02-13-2016, 10:27 AM	#52 (permalink)
Z_ealot A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Albuquerque, NM Posts: 2,045 Drives: 09 370Z Touring/Sprt Rep Power: 10091	For anyone not believing that the EPA isnt going after your converted race car here is an in depth analysis done by motortrend on the proposed revisions to the laws EPA's Real Target: The Automotive Aftermarket - Motor Trend

02-13-2016, 02:32 PM	#53 (permalink)
Nismodean Enthusiast Member Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Washington Posts: 313 Drives: 2009 RIP Now 2012 Rep Power: 15	I don't know why you guys are even bothered with this, this will never pass. The industry is too fcking large for something like this to happen! Do you think they'll shut down all the companies and make unemployment sky rocket? IF they do their will ALWAYS be some schmuck who will take $50 and pass my car. Zbrah likes this. __________________ The Truth, it hurts sometimes.* FI LTH & FI CF CBE. This is a 370Z forum, if I want to fling poo at another brand of car and your feelings get hurt, then you're hanging out in the wrong forum (cry elsewhere). Last edited by Nismodean; 02-13-2016 at 02:35 PM.

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02-13-2016, 07:59 PM	#58 (permalink)
brucelidat A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: temple city, ca Posts: 2,432 Drives: 2011 370z 7AT GM Sp Rep Power: 31	Upon reading some of the details, this only refers to mods that affect smog so it's basically what we already have here in California. Basically onlu CARB mods allowed. FL 4Motion likes this. __________________ Works Emotion CR Ultimate - FI CBE w/ 18" resonators - Ecutek - eibach sways - Quaife - FI LTH w/race cats - kw v3 - spl - Topgunz SC - 488whp 398trq

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