370z VS E46 M3 :)

LateralG'z · 06-06-2010, 05:25 PM

lots of funny bickering

mrcardio · 06-06-2010, 06:30 PM

The folks trying to claim the E46 is a none issue of the 370z are clearly misinformed.

And the E92 does in fact compete well with the C6 Vette and in many cases faster:

Chevrolet Corvette C6 vs BMW M3 (E92) - FastestLaps.com

The new Porsche Cayman S is right there with the E92 as well. These cars are in a whole different leaque vs. 370z.

mrcardio · 06-06-2010, 06:35 PM

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Originally Posted by F430Spider

lol the e92 will do 0-60 in 5 - 5.5
the viper will do 0-60 in 3-3.5

the viper even beat the gt-r's nurburgring lap time
how is the m3 in the same league as the viper?

Actually the E92 has been recorded at 4.2 sec's 0-60.

And based on numberous lap recordings the M3 isn't too far off the Vipers and in some cases better.

Dodge Viper SRT-10 vs BMW M3 (E92) - FastestLaps.com

Or would you rather me give you some "my friend billy bob real life examples" ?

CrownR426 · 06-06-2010, 06:38 PM

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Originally Posted by XKaLiBaR

I am the owner and driver of the M3 in that video. Now i know where all the stupid comments came from on the video lol.

In the recent edition of Autocar, the 370z was compared to the M3 CSL, as both are same price. Yes, we compare current price of a vehicle, not what price the car was 10 years ago lol. The M3 won with flying colours on pretty much everything.

Dont get me wrong, the 370z is a fantastic car, if you like drifting, or big body kits and my dentist has one with chrome alloys, but its not the whole package. Im not sure on the 370z but the 350z was a terrible car. The interior was horrid for one thing, but that plastic interior is what you get with Nissan cars.

Back to the video. I was very excited to see the new 370z on track that day. But he was doing 1.25-1.26 lap times. That day my quickest was 1.23, with cracked rear subframe and loose sway bar up front. The car was very loose around the bends. I have had everything fixed, and had a remap done (+20bhp, 353bhp), and i am getting 1.21s on that particular track.

Current 1/4 mile on my M3 is 12.8 seconds, if you like that sort of thing.

Standard vs standard both m3 and 370z are very similar, except M3 gets back seats, and still weighs pretty much the same as the 370z. We are comparing a 10 year old car, which is worth 3 times less than a current 370z car at the moment.

My car will be in next months Performance BMW magazine, if you want to check it out. (its the red one)

mrcardio · 06-06-2010, 07:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Pharmacist

sorry but the z wont stand a chance. you'll be blown away by the e92 m3. it's so much faster and more superior to the e46. a friend of mine has one. 414 hp really make it go! the e92 is in the league of the corvette, 911 carrera, viper, vanquish, etc...

You're obsolutely correct!

911 carrera vs. E92 M3: (M3 is faster)
Porsche 997 Carrera vs BMW M3 (E92) - FastestLaps.com

C6 vette vs. E92 M3: (M3 is faster)
Chevrolet Corvette C6 vs BMW M3 (E92) - FastestLaps.com

Viper vs. E92 M3: (Fairly close)
Dodge Viper SRT-10 vs BMW M3 (E92) - FastestLaps.com

Vanquish vs. E92 M3: (M3 is faster)
Aston Martin V8 Vantage (380bhp) vs BMW M3 (E92) - FastestLaps.com

Seems a lot of folks are misinformed regarding the E92 M3

steveg78 · 06-06-2010, 10:17 PM

Good driving on both parts; it was fun to watch. These guys drove em' like they stoleded them!

Chriz · 06-07-2010, 12:30 AM

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Originally Posted by mrcardio

You're obsolutely correct!

911 carrera vs. E92 M3: (M3 is faster)
Porsche 997 Carrera vs BMW M3 (E92) - FastestLaps.com

C6 vette vs. E92 M3: (M3 is faster)
Chevrolet Corvette C6 vs BMW M3 (E92) - FastestLaps.com

Viper vs. E92 M3: (Fairly close)
Dodge Viper SRT-10 vs BMW M3 (E92) - FastestLaps.com

Vanquish vs. E92 M3: (M3 is faster)
Aston Martin V8 Vantage (380bhp) vs BMW M3 (E92) - FastestLaps.com

Seems a lot of folks are misinformed regarding the E92 M3

Good info. Shows how fast the new m3 is. Suposedly the new 5.0 Mustang can keep up with it according to stats. We will have to wait and see for that one.

Lug · 06-07-2010, 11:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Chriz

Good info. Shows how fast the new m3 is. Suposedly the new 5.0 Mustang can keep up with it according to stats. We will have to wait and see for that one.

Only in the straights, the M3 will still outhandle the 'Stang.

Daishi · 06-07-2010, 12:00 PM

Im willing to bet with the right modifications and driver we can be right there with the e92 in a straight line race if not a little quicker. I currently have injen intakes. FI Long tube headers and FI catback exhaust. I raced a c63 amg the other day and for those of you who dont know the specs its a 6.3l 451 hp motor. 1st time i got pulled by a car length because It was a random race and I didnt start high enough rpm. Second time we were dead even.

NYBladeZ · 06-07-2010, 12:10 PM

^^trust me man it's more than possible. I stuck it to an e92 stock and trust me he was going. Sure there will be an overwhelming about of evidence that the Z is inferior but I'll go by what I experience when I'm behind the wheel. In my experience against a manual e92 it was Z: 2 M:0 all the way through 4th.

The M is a beast, what do you expect, but the e92 is no longer a driver's car, it allows anyone the ability to drive fast especially if you get the paddle shift. I come from a mentality where driver input is everything, buttons aren't for me.

On the e46, 2 of my buddies have them and while they can keep up with the Z they can't overtake me. Frankly they'd have to run perfectly and I get a little bit of an error margin, after installing test pipes and making an uncorrected 294whp on the dyno I can tell you for a fact, unless you dumped a lot of money in an e46 M you're not catching me. I love the e46 M but times have progressed, the Z is superior and I'd rather take a full bolt on Z over a full bolt on e46 M. It's still very expensive to get parts for the e46 and the aftermarket for the Z is still growing. Tuning capabilities are still limited, parts such as upgraded throttle bodies and plenums are just be researched.

Z owners, be patient, the VQ motor is wonderful and for the brave few who keep the motor N/A and build it either into a long block or a super high reving short block you'll make 350+ at the wheels. We just need to wait on someone to come out with heads, pistons, rods, and a bigger plenum. It's coming and when someone goes that extra effort the M's won't want a piece of us.

I was going to jump on the F.I. train but I hate being limited to 480-500whp. I bought my Z, she's going to be with me for a long time god willing, I'll wait and build the short block, Nissan already provided me a 9000 tach I want to see if it can be done. Heads, cams, pistons, rods, and advanced tuning on a built block should get you to 9K and more than 350whp at the wheels on a bulletproof motor. I'm willing to wait for that.

Daishi · 06-07-2010, 12:52 PM

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Originally Posted by NYBladeZ

^^trust me man it's more than possible. I stuck it to an e92 stock and trust me he was going. Sure there will be an overwhelming about of evidence that the Z is inferior but I'll go by what I experience when I'm behind the wheel. In my experience against a manual e92 it was Z: 2 M:0 all the way through 4th.

The M is a beast, what do you expect, but the e92 is no longer a driver's car, it allows anyone the ability to drive fast especially if you get the paddle shift. I come from a mentality where driver input is everything, buttons aren't for me.

On the e46, 2 of my buddies have them and while they can keep up with the Z they can't overtake me. Frankly they'd have to run perfectly and I get a little bit of an error margin, after installing test pipes and making an uncorrected 294whp on the dyno I can tell you for a fact, unless you dumped a lot of money in an e46 M you're not catching me. I love the e46 M but times have progressed, the Z is superior and I'd rather take a full bolt on Z over a full bolt on e46 M. It's still very expensive to get parts for the e46 and the aftermarket for the Z is still growing. Tuning capabilities are still limited, parts such as upgraded throttle bodies and plenums are just be researched.

Z owners, be patient, the VQ motor is wonderful and for the brave few who keep the motor N/A and build it either into a long block or a super high reving short block you'll make 350+ at the wheels. We just need to wait on someone to come out with heads, pistons, rods, and a bigger plenum. It's coming and when someone goes that extra effort the M's won't want a piece of us.

I was going to jump on the F.I. train but I hate being limited to 480-500whp. I bought my Z, she's going to be with me for a long time god willing, I'll wait and build the short block, Nissan already provided me a 9000 tach I want to see if it can be done. Heads, cams, pistons, rods, and advanced tuning on a built block should get you to 9K and more than 350whp at the wheels on a bulletproof motor. I'm willing to wait for that.

bro that setup will get you way more than 350whp. Depending on which dyno your talking about im already pushing 300whp on a mustang dyno which is about 330 on a dynojet without any of the above meantioned mods and so are some others.

billydsz · 06-07-2010, 12:52 PM

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Originally Posted by XKaLiBaR

I am the owner and driver of the M3 in that video. Now i know where all the stupid comments came from on the video lol.

In the recent edition of Autocar, the 370z was compared to the M3 CSL, as both are same price. Yes, we compare current price of a vehicle, not what price the car was 10 years ago lol. The M3 won with flying colours on pretty much everything.

Dont get me wrong, the 370z is a fantastic car, if you like drifting, or big body kits and my dentist has one with chrome alloys, but its not the whole package. Im not sure on the 370z but the 350z was a terrible car. The interior was horrid for one thing, but that plastic interior is what you get with Nissan cars.

Back to the video. I was very excited to see the new 370z on track that day. But he was doing 1.25-1.26 lap times. That day my quickest was 1.23, with cracked rear subframe and loose sway bar up front. The car was very loose around the bends. I have had everything fixed, and had a remap done (+20bhp, 353bhp), and i am getting 1.21s on that particular track.

Current 1/4 mile on my M3 is 12.8 seconds, if you like that sort of thing.

Standard vs standard both m3 and 370z are very similar, except M3 gets back seats, and still weighs pretty much the same as the 370z. We are comparing a 10 year old car, which is worth 3 times less than a current 370z car at the moment.

My car will be in next months Performance BMW magazine, if you want to check it out. (its the red one)

Yeah? Was the sun in your eyes too? The Z was pulling away from you in the straights with ease. Maybe you were dragging a muffler? Anyway it was good the Z had a mechanical issue so you could overtake him.

Thanks for registering on the 370z site to bash our car. I am sure it's really appreciated.

xfrgtr · 06-07-2010, 01:01 PM

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Originally Posted by billydsz

Yeah? Was the sun in your eyes too? The Z was pulling away from you in the straights with ease. Maybe you were dragging a muffler? Anyway it was good the Z had a mechanical issue so you could overtake him.

Thanks for registering on the 370z site to bash our car. I am sure it's really appreciated.

NYBladeZ · 06-07-2010, 02:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Daishi

bro that setup will get you way more than 350whp. Depending on which dyno your talking about im already pushing 300whp on a mustang dyno which is about 330 on a dynojet without any of the above meantioned mods and so are some others.

I hope so man, I can understand that many manufacturers would jump on F.I. package now to satisfy the masses, not many people are currently shooting for a "kilo car" so I'm being patient and watching all the wonderful products that come out. Most noteworthy lately has been that new plenum kinetix put out, sweet looking piece.

If I can build the motor in due time and make 350+whp N/A that's all I need. It'll be built and bulletproof so it's just a matter after all that of adding a power adder to make ridiculous HP.

Guess I'm being the tortoise but we all know how that ended up.

Daishi · 06-07-2010, 02:55 PM

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Originally Posted by NYBladeZ

I hope so man, I can understand that many manufacturers would jump on F.I. package now to satisfy the masses, not many people are currently shooting for a "kilo car" so I'm being patient and watching all the wonderful products that come out. Most noteworthy lately has been that new plenum kinetix put out, sweet looking piece.

If I can build the motor in due time and make 350+whp N/A that's all I need. It'll be built and bulletproof so it's just a matter after all that of adding a power adder to make ridiculous HP.

Guess I'm being the tortoise but we all know how that ended up.

Yea ill be keeping an eye on the kinetix piece to see how it turns out. Many people think its not going to produce any gains though. We will see when the time comes. If it produces decent gains ill most likely buy it.

06-06-2010, 05:25 PM	#61 (permalink)
LateralG'z Track Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Oklahoma Posts: 876 Drives: 370z Rep Power: 17	lots of funny bickering __________________ 2010 Mag Black, 6MT,

06-07-2010, 12:10 PM	#70 (permalink)
NYBladeZ A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: New York Posts: 2,158 Drives: Lotus Exige S Rep Power: 20	^^trust me man it's more than possible. I stuck it to an e92 stock and trust me he was going. Sure there will be an overwhelming about of evidence that the Z is inferior but I'll go by what I experience when I'm behind the wheel. In my experience against a manual e92 it was Z: 2 M:0 all the way through 4th. The M is a beast, what do you expect, but the e92 is no longer a driver's car, it allows anyone the ability to drive fast especially if you get the paddle shift. I come from a mentality where driver input is everything, buttons aren't for me. On the e46, 2 of my buddies have them and while they can keep up with the Z they can't overtake me. Frankly they'd have to run perfectly and I get a little bit of an error margin, after installing test pipes and making an uncorrected 294whp on the dyno I can tell you for a fact, unless you dumped a lot of money in an e46 M you're not catching me. I love the e46 M but times have progressed, the Z is superior and I'd rather take a full bolt on Z over a full bolt on e46 M. It's still very expensive to get parts for the e46 and the aftermarket for the Z is still growing. Tuning capabilities are still limited, parts such as upgraded throttle bodies and plenums are just be researched. Z owners, be patient, the VQ motor is wonderful and for the brave few who keep the motor N/A and build it either into a long block or a super high reving short block you'll make 350+ at the wheels. We just need to wait on someone to come out with heads, pistons, rods, and a bigger plenum. It's coming and when someone goes that extra effort the M's won't want a piece of us. I was going to jump on the F.I. train but I hate being limited to 480-500whp. I bought my Z, she's going to be with me for a long time god willing, I'll wait and build the short block, Nissan already provided me a 9000 tach I want to see if it can be done. Heads, cams, pistons, rods, and advanced tuning on a built block should get you to 9K and more than 350whp at the wheels on a bulletproof motor. I'm willing to wait for that. __________________ 2009 Carbon Fiber/Red 370z aka Trish: Sports Package, Meisterschaft full catback, Fast Intentions Longtube Headers, Injen Long Tube Intakes, UpRev Tune: Sold 2008 Lotus Exige S Club Racer aka Bella, always leaves me smiling

06-06-2010, 06:30 PM	#62 (permalink)
mrcardio Base Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Central Florida Posts: 219 Drives: 08 MS3 Rep Power: 15	The folks trying to claim the E46 is a none issue of the 370z are clearly misinformed. And the E92 does in fact compete well with the C6 Vette and in many cases faster: Chevrolet Corvette C6 vs BMW M3 (E92) - FastestLaps.com The new Porsche Cayman S is right there with the E92 as well. These cars are in a whole different leaque vs. 370z.

06-06-2010, 10:17 PM	#66 (permalink)
steveg78 Track Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: MD Posts: 569 Drives: 09 370Z PG M6 +Sport Rep Power: 17	Good driving on both parts; it was fun to watch. These guys drove em' like they stoleded them!

06-07-2010, 12:00 PM	#69 (permalink)
Daishi Track Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: NJ Posts: 683 Drives: 09 370z 6Speed Rep Power: 17	Im willing to bet with the right modifications and driver we can be right there with the e92 in a straight line race if not a little quicker. I currently have injen intakes. FI Long tube headers and FI catback exhaust. I raced a c63 amg the other day and for those of you who dont know the specs its a 6.3l 451 hp motor. 1st time i got pulled by a car length because It was a random race and I didnt start high enough rpm. Second time we were dead even.