370z VS E46 M3 :)

ianthegreat · 11-12-2009, 07:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Sardis

I hate to contribute to this thread, but the weights on a C6 and M3 are close?? You have almost 500 pounds of difference. There is a reason why the vette has the quarter time it does

Also YouTube - Nissan GT-R by autocar.co.uk

Note the reviewer owns an M3. I point this out only to show you the braking system on these cars while fine on the street is a bit of a joke on the track.

I love the M3, but I pine for the days of the E36 at 2700 pounds.. Remember the Euro versions didn't have the detuned engines, those were impressive cars.

E46 is also beautiful, but with every generation you can see them becoming more luxurious and less track oriented, this true of all M cars evolving.

Couldn't agree with you more.

Sardis · 11-12-2009, 08:04 PM

Did you ever run a 370 stock up to higher speeds? My buddy has a 335, but I have no 370 to run with him. I always thought they would be great competition for each other.

I had the opportunity to take a 335 up to 130ish and it felt like it wasn't losing much on the top end.

I hate mag racing but the Z always seems to pull a few more mph's at the strip..

F430Spider · 11-12-2009, 08:04 PM

lol the e92 will do 0-60 in 5 - 5.5
the viper will do 0-60 in 3-3.5

the viper even beat the gt-r's nurburgring lap time
how is the m3 in the same league as the viper?

SOFLY00 · 11-12-2009, 08:35 PM

2 great cars!

GingaBreadMan · 11-12-2009, 10:24 PM

Ran a 335 that had 3 car lengths and at 110mph began to pass it. 335 doesn't have enough hp for the Z imo. What is considered higher speeds?

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Originally Posted by Sardis

Did you ever run a 370 stock up to higher speeds? My buddy has a 335, but I have no 370 to run with him. I always thought they would be great competition for each other.

I had the opportunity to take a 335 up to 130ish and it felt like it wasn't losing much on the top end.

I hate mag racing but the Z always seems to pull a few more mph's at the strip..

370Z_Fan · 11-12-2009, 11:28 PM

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Originally Posted by F430Spider

lol the e92 will do 0-60 in 5 - 5.5
the viper will do 0-60 in 3-3.5

the viper even beat the gt-r's nurburgring lap time
how is the m3 in the same league as the viper?

It was the top of the line ACR Viper that beat a "base" GT-R. Should be interesting with the GT-R Spec V.

baboola · 11-12-2009, 11:28 PM

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Originally Posted by GingaBreadMan

Ran a 335 that had 3 car lengths and at 110mph began to pass it. 335 doesn't have enough hp for the Z imo. What is considered higher speeds?

Most cars with higher displacement will win at high speeds like that won't they? that's what started the whole displacement war a few years ago when S4 switched from 2.7T to 4.2.

I agree 335 is a better comparo to 370z. Comparing e92 to 370z is just as pointless as comparing cayman to 370z. Yeah sure 370z is the bang for the buck, but it's still not a porsche or an m3. the extra premium of the german cars doesn't just go down the drain. and comparing 370z stock to e46? my prius 10 years from now will prob feel faster than 370z stock. just my 2c.

gnarf · 11-13-2009, 07:29 AM

Vette's are faster than E92 M3's any day...the E92 M3 however...is a better made car...

Mergnthwirker · 11-13-2009, 10:32 AM

H'mmm. Armchair experts.

We've got more armchair experts than a furniture mill.

These are all good cars. Drive what you like.
* Are you less of a man b/c you drive a BMW or a Z? (what if you are a woman?)
* How much does it matter in your daily commute?
* Are you talking track days or full-on racing, with appropriate mods for power & reliability?

Anthropologists note that in every society there is a search for a pecking order. Here it seems that if you are what you drive, the question is who I am better than (or who might be better than me).

Unless you're racing, just drive what you like, and if the other guy has a hot car, more power to him.

Actually, we should be banding together, not competing! Pretty soon we'll all be facing the pressures of the Greenies to drive socially responsible, shiny, happy Green cars. Enjoy this renaissance of performance and power while you can, cuz the world is changing and our share of the market is small enough to be marginalized and eliminated for all but the very rich.

My $.02, FWIW

370Zsteve · 11-13-2009, 10:44 AM

Trips · 11-13-2009, 10:45 AM

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Originally Posted by 370Zsteve

Epic!!!!!

Brandon26pdx · 11-13-2009, 06:11 PM

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Originally Posted by 817-370z

and the new M3s come stock w/ 414HP/ 425 Tq

uh yeah, not even close. HP is 414 but the TQ is less than 300 on the E9X M3...like 296 or 298. One of those two.

Brandon26pdx · 11-13-2009, 06:26 PM

I love the E46M too but man, BMW biffed up on some of the engineering with those. The rear suspension rips out over time ($$$$) The VANOS units blow up on occasion ($$$), The rod bearings spun on the early models, SMG pumps go out and cause the car to be stuck in gear ($$), the exhaust catalyzers clog up and need replaced ($$).

Almost everything that breaks on those things costs a fortune to fix. It was one of those cars that I'm sure was bad a$$ to own if you had the scratch to buy one new and were smart enough to dump it before the warranty expired.

Jamdun17 · 11-14-2009, 01:36 AM

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Originally Posted by 817-370z

get the 370z, i have driven both and the Z feels faster and sportier, now the new M3s are faster, but cost like $20k more than the Z.

to the poster who said, the new bmw will beat a new vette.llllllllooooooolllllll

the new vettes come stock w/ 436HP/ 424Tq
and the new M3s come stock w/ 414HP/ 425 Tq

how can a M3 beat a vette, when it has = torque and less HP???

especially when the bmw outweighs the vette.

you got your number wrong, the M3 comes with 295 tq. and guys an e92 m3 isn't beating a vette, even the DSG one, but it is in competition with the 997 911 S, its not really faster but its going to make the p-car push like hell.
Any IMO i would get the 370z over the e46 m3 unless you need the space of course, the potential of the 370z at this point seems pretty unlimited

XKaLiBaR · 06-06-2010, 05:08 PM

I am the owner and driver of the M3 in that video. Now i know where all the stupid comments came from on the video lol.

In the recent edition of Autocar, the 370z was compared to the M3 CSL, as both are same price. Yes, we compare current price of a vehicle, not what price the car was 10 years ago lol. The M3 won with flying colours on pretty much everything.

Dont get me wrong, the 370z is a fantastic car, if you like drifting, or big body kits and my dentist has one with chrome alloys, but its not the whole package. Im not sure on the 370z but the 350z was a terrible car. The interior was horrid for one thing, but that plastic interior is what you get with Nissan cars.

Back to the video. I was very excited to see the new 370z on track that day. But he was doing 1.25-1.26 lap times. That day my quickest was 1.23, with cracked rear subframe and loose sway bar up front. The car was very loose around the bends. I have had everything fixed, and had a remap done (+20bhp, 353bhp), and i am getting 1.21s on that particular track.

Current 1/4 mile on my M3 is 12.8 seconds, if you like that sort of thing.

Standard vs standard both m3 and 370z are very similar, except M3 gets back seats, and still weighs pretty much the same as the 370z. We are comparing a 10 year old car, which is worth 3 times less than a current 370z car at the moment.

My car will be in next months Performance BMW magazine, if you want to check it out. (its the red one)

11-12-2009, 08:04 PM	#47 (permalink)
Sardis Base Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: CA Posts: 72 Drives: EX Z Owner Rep Power: 16	Did you ever run a 370 stock up to higher speeds? My buddy has a 335, but I have no 370 to run with him. I always thought they would be great competition for each other. I had the opportunity to take a 335 up to 130ish and it felt like it wasn't losing much on the top end. I hate mag racing but the Z always seems to pull a few more mph's at the strip.. __________________ "Because in a split second, it's gone." - Ayrton Senna

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11-13-2009, 06:26 PM	#58 (permalink)
Brandon26pdx Base Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Portland, OR Posts: 36 Drives: 08 350Z Rep Power: 16	I love the E46M too but man, BMW biffed up on some of the engineering with those. The rear suspension rips out over time ($$$$) The VANOS units blow up on occasion ($$$), The rod bearings spun on the early models, SMG pumps go out and cause the car to be stuck in gear ($$), the exhaust catalyzers clog up and need replaced ($$). Almost everything that breaks on those things costs a fortune to fix. It was one of those cars that I'm sure was bad a$$ to own if you had the scratch to buy one new and were smart enough to dump it before the warranty expired. __________________ 08 350Z-6spd-Magnetic Black

11-12-2009, 08:04 PM	#48 (permalink)
F430Spider Base Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Toronto Age: 32 Posts: 19 Drives: 09 Civic Si Coupe Rep Power: 374	lol the e92 will do 0-60 in 5 - 5.5 the viper will do 0-60 in 3-3.5 the viper even beat the gt-r's nurburgring lap time how is the m3 in the same league as the viper?

11-12-2009, 08:35 PM	#49 (permalink)
SOFLY00 Banned Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: NY Posts: 148 Drives: g35 6mt Rep Power: 0	2 great cars!

11-13-2009, 07:29 AM	#53 (permalink)
gnarf Base Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: Jersey Posts: 160 Drives: G37 Rep Power: 16	Vette's are faster than E92 M3's any day...the E92 M3 however...is a better made car...

11-13-2009, 10:32 AM	#54 (permalink)
Mergnthwirker Base Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Connecticut USA Posts: 243 Drives: '09 370Z PW MT6 S Rep Power: 16	H'mmm. Armchair experts. We've got more armchair experts than a furniture mill. These are all good cars. Drive what you like. * Are you less of a man b/c you drive a BMW or a Z? (what if you are a woman?) * How much does it matter in your daily commute? * Are you talking track days or full-on racing, with appropriate mods for power & reliability? Anthropologists note that in every society there is a search for a pecking order. Here it seems that if you are what you drive, the question is who I am better than (or who might be better than me). Unless you're racing, just drive what you like, and if the other guy has a hot car, more power to him. Actually, we should be banding together, not competing! Pretty soon we'll all be facing the pressures of the Greenies to drive socially responsible, shiny, happy Green cars. Enjoy this renaissance of performance and power while you can, cuz the world is changing and our share of the market is small enough to be marginalized and eliminated for all but the very rich. My $.02, FWIW

06-06-2010, 05:08 PM	#60 (permalink)
XKaLiBaR Base Member Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: London Posts: 5 Drives: BMW E46 M3 Rep Power: 15	I am the owner and driver of the M3 in that video. Now i know where all the stupid comments came from on the video lol. In the recent edition of Autocar, the 370z was compared to the M3 CSL, as both are same price. Yes, we compare current price of a vehicle, not what price the car was 10 years ago lol. The M3 won with flying colours on pretty much everything. Dont get me wrong, the 370z is a fantastic car, if you like drifting, or big body kits and my dentist has one with chrome alloys, but its not the whole package. Im not sure on the 370z but the 350z was a terrible car. The interior was horrid for one thing, but that plastic interior is what you get with Nissan cars. Back to the video. I was very excited to see the new 370z on track that day. But he was doing 1.25-1.26 lap times. That day my quickest was 1.23, with cracked rear subframe and loose sway bar up front. The car was very loose around the bends. I have had everything fixed, and had a remap done (+20bhp, 353bhp), and i am getting 1.21s on that particular track. Current 1/4 mile on my M3 is 12.8 seconds, if you like that sort of thing. Standard vs standard both m3 and 370z are very similar, except M3 gets back seats, and still weighs pretty much the same as the 370z. We are comparing a 10 year old car, which is worth 3 times less than a current 370z car at the moment. My car will be in next months Performance BMW magazine, if you want to check it out. (its the red one)