Mustang GT vs 370z, non-corporate unbias review! Finally!!!

Z_ealot · 02-07-2016, 03:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Spooler

I just want a raw driver car. The only thing like a Z is a Porsche Cayman. Nismo compares to a Cayman GT4. Personally, I hate the nanny gadgets on the Z. Traction control and the stupid stability control suck. I don't need the syncro rev match either. I can heal/toe just fine without it. Just my .02.

But can you heel/toe accurately 100% of the time

Spooler · 02-07-2016, 12:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Z_ealot

But can you heel/toe accurately 100% of the time

Yeap, old school.

UNKNOWN_370 · 02-07-2016, 02:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Spooler

I just want a raw driver car. The only thing like a Z is a Porsche Cayman. Nismo compares to a Cayman GT4. Personally, I hate the nanny gadgets on the Z. Traction control and the stupid stability control suck. I don't need the syncro rev match either. I can heal/toe just fine without it. Just my .02.

There's NOTHING raw about a Cayman. A Cayman is very dialed in, very predictable, engaging in the most simplified sense of the word. There are extremely rare man against machine moments in the Cayman so to speak, taking away the title of raw in the experience.
The Z is raw because it is dialed in, and mostly predictable, but can get away on you if you're not careful. The Cayman electronics really keep you regulated. You may as well be driving AWD is so computer regulated. But the fact that you can get around corners at such high speeds kind of makes up for the lack of involvement that is provided with the Z. The Z, is a rambunctious, fairly light for its power level vehicle that has muscle car rawness with sports car ability. Just slower than a muscle car and edgier than the finer sports options available. That lack of perfection is what makes a car raw.

Now that I've been driving a lot of higher end cars. It seems the cars that do the most work for you get the highest praise. And then brands than can balance driver involvement with technology like the GT-R get shunned. I don't know WHERE people got the idea the GT-R is soulless. It's incredible. My only issues with the GT-R is size, ride height and feels like you're sitting high. That's why now, after experiencing it I'm not sure I'd buy it, though the power and precision are addicting.
My favorite 911 is the GT-S because the GT-3 is boring on regular roads without breaking laws. If I was tracking a lot. Then I'd take the GT-3. But all you will hear about is the GT-3. Also the GT-S 911, I found more fun to drive than the Cayman S. I do like the GT-3 LOOKS over all the other 911's though.

Z_ealot · 02-07-2016, 04:16 PM

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Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370

There's NOTHING raw about a Cayman. A Cayman is very dialed in, very predictable, engaging in the most simplified sense of the word. There are extremely rare man against machine moments in the Cayman so to speak, taking away the title of raw in the experience.
The Z is raw because it is dialed in, and mostly predictable, but can get away on you if you're not careful. The Cayman electronics really keep you regulated. You may as well be driving AWD is so computer regulated. But the fact that you can get around corners at such high speeds kind of makes up for the lack of involvement that is provided with the Z. The Z, is a rambunctious, fairly light for its power level vehicle that has muscle car rawness with sports car ability. Just slower than a muscle car and edgier than the finer sports options available. That lack of perfection is what makes a car raw.

Now that I've been driving a lot of higher end cars. It seems the cars that do the most work for you get the highest praise. And then brands than can balance driver involvement with technology like the GT-R get shunned. I don't know WHERE people got the idea the GT-R is soulless. It's incredible. My only issues with the GT-R is size, ride height and feels like you're sitting high. That's why now, after experiencing it I'm not sure I'd buy it, though the power and precision are addicting.
My favorite 911 is the GT-S because the GT-3 is boring on regular roads without breaking laws. If I was tracking a lot. Then I'd take the GT-3. But all you will hear about is the GT-3. Also the GT-S 911, I found more fun to drive than the Cayman S. I do like the GT-3 LOOKS over all the other 911's though.

There is a small minority of reviewers that are starting to come around to the fact that with all the electronics going in to performance cars these days it is taking away from the driving experience and that cars like the 370Z are part of a dieing breed and very special in their own right

kay.zee · 02-07-2016, 07:17 PM

I tried to convince my friend to get a 370z, he ended up with a Cayman S and dam is it nice. It sounds better than my car, shifts better. I still like how the Z look more but he ordered a crazy wing, suspension and expensive wheels. We'll see how it turns out. Dam that inline 6 or whatever sounds so much better than the Z at WOT.

Z_ealot · 02-08-2016, 01:45 AM

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Originally Posted by kay.zee

I tried to convince my friend to get a 370z, he ended up with a Cayman S and dam is it nice. It sounds better than my car, shifts better. I still like how the Z look more but he ordered a crazy wing, suspension and expensive wheels. We'll see how it turns out. Dam that inline 6 or whatever sounds so much better than the Z at WOT.

Cat back for the Z and done

kay.zee · 02-08-2016, 01:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Z_ealot

Cat back for the Z and done

fast intentions here... not even close to as sounding as good. I like the VQ engine and all but lets be real here its no inline 6 sound.

icormba · 02-08-2016, 02:39 AM

Got one of these at work too. Took this pic last week, looks like the guy just picked it up. NICE!!

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Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370

There's NOTHING raw about a Cayman. A Cayman is very dialed in, very predictable, engaging in the most simplified sense of the word. There are extremely rare man against machine moments in the Cayman so to speak, taking away the title of raw in the experience.
The Z is raw because it is dialed in, and mostly predictable, but can get away on you if you're not careful. The Cayman electronics really keep you regulated. You may as well be driving AWD is so computer regulated. But the fact that you can get around corners at such high speeds kind of makes up for the lack of involvement that is provided with the Z. The Z, is a rambunctious, fairly light for its power level vehicle that has muscle car rawness with sports car ability. Just slower than a muscle car and edgier than the finer sports options available. That lack of perfection is what makes a car raw.

Now that I've been driving a lot of higher end cars. It seems the cars that do the most work for you get the highest praise. And then brands than can balance driver involvement with technology like the GT-R get shunned. I don't know WHERE people got the idea the GT-R is soulless. It's incredible. My only issues with the GT-R is size, ride height and feels like you're sitting high. That's why now, after experiencing it I'm not sure I'd buy it, though the power and precision are addicting.
My favorite 911 is the GT-S because the GT-3 is boring on regular roads without breaking laws. If I was tracking a lot. Then I'd take the GT-3. But all you will hear about is the GT-3. Also the GT-S 911, I found more fun to drive than the Cayman S. I do like the GT-3 LOOKS over all the other 911's though.

Z_ealot · 02-08-2016, 02:51 AM

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Originally Posted by kay.zee

fast intentions here... not even close to as sounding as good. I like the VQ engine and all but lets be real here its no inline 6 sound.

You mean H6

UNKNOWN_370 · 02-08-2016, 09:15 AM

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Originally Posted by icormba

Got one of these at work too. Took this pic last week, looks like the guy just picked it up. NICE!!

That torque kicks in at a much lower RPM on the GT-S over the GT-3. So you get more response out the engine in low speed driving. In my opinion, the GT-S is the most driver focused 911. So whoever bought that car, chose well...

TBatt · 02-08-2016, 10:18 AM

All in all, you have to admit that now is the best time to be a car enthusiast.

What were muscle cars back in the late 60's and early 70's are considered slow by today's performance levels. Today's cars will also turn and stop. Yes, today's car may have a bunch of electronic "nannies", but dang, they are fast!

I remember when cars such as the 930 Turbo was king. It was fast but it was also a handful to drive. When accelerating, the car was not all that fast until you hit 4K rpm and then all hell broke loose! Today's cars have way more power but are very controllable by comparison.

I'm glad that I get to experience what might be the golden age of the automobile!

mishuko · 02-08-2016, 12:03 PM

considering the late 90's and 2000's had very small fleet of sports cars in the affordable range it's been rough.

glad that now that I have some purchasing power there are a lot more cars on the market to compare and more coming down the pipeline.

ped · 02-08-2016, 03:40 PM

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Originally Posted by kay.zee

I tried to convince my friend to get a 370z, he ended up with a Cayman S and dam is it nice. It sounds better than my car, shifts better. I still like how the Z look more but he ordered a crazy wing, suspension and expensive wheels. We'll see how it turns out. Dam that inline 6 or whatever sounds so much better than the Z at WOT.

Are you comparing to your Z's stock exhaust? A Prius sounds better than a Z stock. Put an HKS Hi-Power, or ArmyTrix catback on your Z and then compare.

Magic Bus · 02-08-2016, 08:06 PM

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Originally Posted by kay.zee

I tried to convince my friend to get a 370z, he ended up with a Cayman S and dam is it nice. It sounds better than my car, shifts better. I still like how the Z look more but he ordered a crazy wing, suspension and expensive wheels. We'll see how it turns out. Dam that inline 6 or whatever sounds so much better than the Z at WOT.

Regarding sound, are you talking about the sound from the inside of the car?

kay.zee · 02-08-2016, 08:54 PM

I'm talking about the exhaust note.. Its a little raspy but sounds way more race car status than the Z. The modified 370z exhaust note is not even close to as good sounding as even the regular VQ35 when that thing was turboed. I've also heard Fast Intentions twin turbo Z's and still expected more grunt and presence.

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TBatt Track Member Join Date: Apr 2013 Location: Huntsville, AL Posts: 832 Drives: 2019 GT-R Rep Power: 20168	All in all, you have to admit that now is the best time to be a car enthusiast. What were muscle cars back in the late 60's and early 70's are considered slow by today's performance levels. Today's cars will also turn and stop. Yes, today's car may have a bunch of electronic "nannies", but dang, they are fast! I remember when cars such as the 930 Turbo was king. It was fast but it was also a handful to drive. When accelerating, the car was not all that fast until you hit 4K rpm and then all hell broke loose! Today's cars have way more power but are very controllable by comparison. I'm glad that I get to experience what might be the golden age of the automobile! UNKNOWN_370, icormba and ChaseZ like this. __________________ RJM pedal, Hotchkis Sway Bars, FI TDX, FOG Light, Z1 Slotted Drilled rotors, Stillen SC, Quaife ATB, Z1 Oil cooler, AEM Gauge Set, Galeforce gauge mount, Avant Garde M590 Hypersilver w/RE-11, TopgunZ A2A kit., ECUtek tuned by Seb: ROLL TIDE!

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02-07-2016, 07:17 PM	#95 (permalink)
kay.zee Banned Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: Walnut Creek,Ca Posts: 67 Drives: not a nissan Rep Power: 0	I tried to convince my friend to get a 370z, he ended up with a Cayman S and dam is it nice. It sounds better than my car, shifts better. I still like how the Z look more but he ordered a crazy wing, suspension and expensive wheels. We'll see how it turns out. Dam that inline 6 or whatever sounds so much better than the Z at WOT.

02-08-2016, 12:03 PM	#102 (permalink)
mishuko A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jul 2014 Location: bouncin on tigga Posts: 8,062 Drives: '12 Z Rep Power: 9435	considering the late 90's and 2000's had very small fleet of sports cars in the affordable range it's been rough. glad that now that I have some purchasing power there are a lot more cars on the market to compare and more coming down the pipeline.

02-08-2016, 08:54 PM	#105 (permalink)
kay.zee Banned Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: Walnut Creek,Ca Posts: 67 Drives: not a nissan Rep Power: 0	I'm talking about the exhaust note.. Its a little raspy but sounds way more race car status than the Z. The modified 370z exhaust note is not even close to as good sounding as even the regular VQ35 when that thing was turboed. I've also heard Fast Intentions twin turbo Z's and still expected more grunt and presence.