The 5 most overlooked cars... TFL
 

I couldn't agree more with the ENTIRE list... The 370z is the most overlooked. It seems the press has overemphasized shortcomings in the Z found in other vehicles... It has lead a status quo society to receive skewed information in certain aspects and has resulted in poor perception on a very very proper sports car. Most true enthusiasts get it. But 10% of drivers are "true" enthusiasts though 60% claim to be.

The Z is not without some ANNOYING & UPSETTING FLAWS... But as a driving experience. The Z is one of the best driving cars under $100,000. Media, for some unexplainable reason, has attacked the Z as being everything but what it is...

A raw sports car with a unique set of qualities.

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im happy with the Z. dat's all that matters to me.

It's no Civic Si, but it's focused enough for my purposes.:stirthepot:

And as usual you have all the haters rearing their heads in the comments section lol

I agree with his picks, and I'm sure we could all come up with a few more. I feel like the common thread here is that all of these cars are cars that auto enthusiasts understand to be great cars, but your average schmoe doesn't.

Mazda3: sportiest, most fun to drive compact economy car. Most people shopping for an economy car aren't thinking about those things.

Buick GS : what he said. Great design, but it's a Buick. Anyone not collecting social security doesn't want it.

Jetta GL : most Jetta buyers will just go to the GTI if they want fun. I feel like not many people even know the GLI exists.

Genesis : people still think they're garbage cars, even though this thing out does any base 3-series in terms of amenities.

The Z : can't be pegged as a competitor to muscle cars or cheap FR-S or Miata sports cars. Kinda floats in the middle, so it goes unnoticed.

Love my Nismo. It is a great handling car in the proper hands. With very little money those little flaws go the way of the DODO bird.

Red Baron I agree with you, it will take at least 100K to substantively improve on the Z.

I sold my WRX and got a loaded sGT 2.5L Mazda 3 as my daily driver. I absolutely love it. It's 90% of a VW GTI for 70% of the price. I've had two GTIs and missed them as all purpose cars, the Mazda 3 fills that void especially in hatchback form.

And about the Z, I just love it. Agree with someone above who said it's one of the best driving cars below $100k but I'd actually move that mark to $50k. There are a lot of good P-cars for 50-100k.

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I heard something about the Civic Si.

I subscribe to all of the major US car magazines and I am convinced that they only review the cars that the manufactures provide them. So apparently Nissan is not very keen on making 370z's available for articles or comparos, etc.

The number of Mustang, Camaro, and Corvette first drives, reviews, comparos, etc is maddening. Every month its the same three cars on the cover.

I guess the print magazines are losing money hand over first and can't compete with the on-line sites like Jalopnik and have to rely on OEM handouts for cars to write about.

I would prerfer to see more variety, but you won't find it in US mags. The UK mags like Evo, Topgear, etc are much much better.

1. mustang

2. camero

3. m3

4. 911

5. civic

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I fixed it for you

The Z stopped being provided because the mags, mainly car and driver were making incredible claims about Z braking and performance deficits. The whole braking issue had not been repeated with dozens of other worldwide magazines but C&D seemed to bring up Z brake failure even if they were reviewing motorcycles???

Why was it so stressed more than any other cars in history? It's unknown...

Then came people complaining drastically about noise in the cabin and the course sounding engine. That now no one gripes about to the level they once did. The reviewers were sickening as obviously there was some innate national brand bias propaganda going on. A sort of envy that Nissan brought forth a do it all dedicated sports car for 30k that everyone failed at. The Z used to have competitors. Saturn & Pontiac. Where are they now? The solstice was an amazing design with one of the worst suspension set-ups for a sports car in history. Yet reviewers loved it. The coupes difficulty of removing the top and lack of trunk space wasn't downed on like the Z trunk was. But the solstice had half the trunk. The Z is a little harsh up top but so are most econobox cars and they are more forgiving of those. Yes the Z was 30k but it was playing in the performance of $55k when it came out. That was only respected the first 3 months.

It just seemed the Z was the ONLY car being criticized for being a sports car. It's like the reviewers wanted the Z to get two more seats a trunk and a sedan suspension??? Like WTF. For the first time in my life. I saw a sports car being criticized for be a real sports car.

Nissan in reality has nothing to prove against the competition. I've driven most cars n the Z price range. NOTHING comes close. Not even the FR-S. The lack of power makes it a snooze and the Z steering is comparable and actually gives slightly more feedback.

U.S. reviewers aren't worth dyck for Japanese car reviews. I do t trust them. They have their pre-selected brands to give more praise over other cars...

I'll never forget, the 2010 camaro s the gencoupe

The Hyundai beats camaro v6 in acceleration, handling, feel, feedback, higher lateral grip, weight, responsiveness, agility, visibility and ergonomics. But C&D said... The Camaro wins because it looks cooler.

Atrocious.

Actually I like the fact that Zs are overlooked by people, usually by other competitors.

One thing I really love for my Z is that Zs are pretty rare on the street. I know Mustang and Camaro even Porsche are all good sports car, but they are TOO many.

Whatever others claim about my Z, I like its rareness, appearance, and performance. And also many people who do not read so-called critic's articles say my Z is just fantastic.

I hope this rareness of Z keeps going. :o

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it's because there hasn't been any major updates to the 370z since it's inception. It's old news now. Nissan left the car to die a slow death

Thanks for using the word rare!!! :tiphat:

i was talking to this random guy and he was saying how little trunk space the car has.

i said what does it matter when it carves corners like a champ? i don't care for passengers or hauling large amount of equipment. i did mention play tetris before taking on a lot of baggage... it helps lol

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All of you have much more knowledge on this than I do. There are soooo many Mustangs and Cameros , not "rare" at all. I do know this....I really like my car!
Regards

i can pack $275 of groceries into my Z. Soft luggage is no problem. The Z storage is perfect for a couple. It can use a strategic dual cup holder. As only one person can have a big gulp lol.

I don't get the trunk space complaint either. Yes it's shallow, but I just went to North Carolina with my wife and managed to pack all of our travel belongings in the car. Yes I had to reconfigure some stuff to get it all in, but in a sports car that's pretty damn impressive to me.

Just reading some of the comments and I agree rare! I was looking at the thread about production numbers. If that is accurate only 1200ish 370z's are made for the US a year. Was looking at a comment from a guy on YouTube that has neither car but was trashing the Z because he see's Genesis's all over and no Z's. Well when you make 110,000 Genesis's and only 1200 Z's one would think you wouldn't see as many Z's. If that thread and link are correct there is exactly 16 cars like mine.

don't forget why they don't produce that many 370Zs, demand. the 370z just doesn't sell. that's why it's one of the most overlooked cars. it's a good car, but there are many other cars out there that are better in the price range.

Name them plz......

apparently, a Genesis is one of them, since according to you, it outsells the Z 10 to 1

Ok so you have 1 on your so called list that is better? Not in my eyes so we are again at 0..............

When I started looking for cars the 370z was not on my list. As I started to nail down what I actually wanted in a car the Z came in to the picture. I actually dont like the looks of the 350z (I think its the hatch line that bothers me, haha) , I love the 300 and the old 280z's and such though. I didn't want a back seat or a convertible so that really narrowed it down (sports cars don't need a back seat in my mind). Then I got to comparing how much car I could get for the money and nothing was even close to the Z. A similar Porsch Caymon would cost $10-$15k more and would be way more expensive to modify. The Z4M is in the same boat, and both of those cars don't have the "cockpit" feel of the Z. When it came down to it the Z was an easy choice.

i'm just a realist being unbiased and not being a fanboy. so no matter how many cars i have on my "list", you're going to disagree and still put the Z above all. so to end this, the 370z is god's gift to human kind. the end all be all of all cars. :rolleyes:

I am a realist also. I looked at R/T's & Mustangs before buying my Z. I have owned numerous Camaro's/Trans Am's/Mustangs. You are the 1 running around here in this & other threads basically bashing the Z. What do you drive? Or do you have a DL yet? The thing I notice a lot is this......

People always want to compare the Z to say a Mustang (GT350R) or Camaro (ZL1) or a damn Corvette or Porsche.....that is all fine and good. When they do this it's always the hot rod version of said car that normally is well over what a Z costs. The only car I have seen compared to the Z is the Genesis that really is in it's price range & comparable but in my book is not a better sports car. Also to me doesn't look sexy like a Z. Back to my point here. All fine and dandy to compare the Z to the other cars mentioned but you have to use the models that actually sit in the Z's price range. Use the base Mustang GT & not the GT350 that starts at $48k if your lucky. I can easily take the $34K I spent on my 370z & add $15kish into it and make it run with about anything. Most of you guys that come here to bash the Z do so out of spite because you can't afford anything like it. Your stuck in Mom's basement working at McDonalds driving what ever $800 car you could afford or the 1 Dad gave you. I don't need to justify my purchase. I made the choice & I had my choice. All I am saying is compare apples to apples. Sure I have a list of dream cars that I would choose over my Z but Ferrari's & GT-R's aren't cheap or practical for me & 71' Firebird Formula's & Z-28's aren't growing on trees:icon14:

I seriously doubt it's that other cars are "better".

What you need to understand is the Z is competing against NON-COMPETITIVE cars. When compared to the muscle 3. 4 seats and a trunk give those cars a higher comfort & convenience factor. Seats that are reclineable & not fixed up a firewall. Higher speaker count for a more robust sound system. Sunroof in some cases and in some cars... Even the high performance tires have all seasons.

Muscle cars this generation are getting closer to the sports car feel but last generation. The Z focused on things the muscle 3 just couldn't give the true enthusiast.
But sales of the Z and related cars prove how small the true enthusiast market is...

The Z focuses on perfectly weight balanced steering, engaging seating position, proper body position, proper armrest to shifter placement, proper knee support, proper center of gravity, getting a balanced highly driver centric & ergonomic package for the senses.

The Z just pays attention to driver engagement qualities way higher than muscle. I can't fathom how so many members can drive 15,000+ miles in a Z and go to a Mustang as a performance alternative and accept the huge deficit in how your body sits in a car and give up that low COG connectivity that can only be had from the Z, toyobaru, miata, and then cars double it's price. And the Z doesn't make you lose power to achieve it. Is it as fast as a v8 mustang? Not in the least. But does a mustang come close to driver connectivity of the Z? Not even a little bit.

At the end... It's the trade off all "true enthusiasts" make as a sacrifice for driver connectivity. Not many people will sacrifice $30,000+ for a totally one purpose driver enjoyment vehicle. Most wait for us enthusiasts to buy the car and enjoy it while the average Joe who wants to look like us waits for us to trade in our cars to buy it cheap and play the part.

You can make the practical argument to your wife in a Mustang. That won't hold in the Z. So mustangs sell more. It's that simple.

The Z... To a "true performance driver" will be the better car, unless he has money for a new Cayman. That said... The Z market is tiny.... As is other true sports cars

Agreed, i always laugh at people who say the mustang and the like are more practical....sure you get slightly more trunk space, but those back seats are laughable at best. Heck even the genesis coupes back seats are a joke, i know since i've had the displeasure of sitting in those back seats and at only 5'9" having to hunch over or slouch down about a foot to even attempt to be able to fit in the back seats

well written :tup:

-Clifford :tiphat:

Just tell people that Zs are inferior to the other muscle 3s.

While they don't know at all what they can enjoy with the Zs, it is just our time to drive most fun.

I never want to see more Zs than its competitors on the street.

Rareness !! :rolleyes:

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Perhaps the coolest thing for myself is you hardly see any Zs on the road or parking lot. I see Mustangs, Cameros everywhere. Everyone is used to seeing them.

As a result most people compliment the car..much more so then other cars you can get. About the only other rarer car that I see is a Corvette.

mustang 5.0 durp.

cause my fact sheet says its faster bruh :bowrofl:

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the thing with the new generation muscle cars is what's happening to the 'sport-luxury' market. they're trying to make cars cross over multiple segments to become jack-of-all's.

A car like the Z will always have the advantage of being the purer sports cars... It will always be more structurally rigid, balanced, lower, lighter and in the case of the Z... Competitive power.

The muscle 3 are awesome cars... But they can never be a Z. Until the Rx-7 and Supra come back at the Z price point? The Z will dominate as a stand alone unique driving experience in the price range. :tiphat:

sounds more like :crying: whining to me.. :confused:


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Venting :icon17:

-Clifford :tiphat:

constructively ignored criticism :shakes head:

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There are many good cars, but I still prefer my Z to the others. :D

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