The 5 most overlooked cars... TFL

Z_ealot · 01-27-2016, 11:29 PM

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Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370

I seriously doubt it's that other cars are "better".

What you need to understand is the Z is competing against NON-COMPETITIVE cars. When compared to the muscle 3. 4 seats and a trunk give those cars a higher comfort & convenience factor. Seats that are reclineable & not fixed up a firewall. Higher speaker count for a more robust sound system. Sunroof in some cases and in some cars... Even the high performance tires have all seasons.

Muscle cars this generation are getting closer to the sports car feel but last generation. The Z focused on things the muscle 3 just couldn't give the true enthusiast.
But sales of the Z and related cars prove how small the true enthusiast market is...

The Z focuses on perfectly weight balanced steering, engaging seating position, proper body position, proper armrest to shifter placement, proper knee support, proper center of gravity, getting a balanced highly driver centric & ergonomic package for the senses.

The Z just pays attention to driver engagement qualities way higher than muscle. I can't fathom how so many members can drive 15,000+ miles in a Z and go to a Mustang as a performance alternative and accept the huge deficit in how your body sits in a car and give up that low COG connectivity that can only be had from the Z, toyobaru, miata, and then cars double it's price. And the Z doesn't make you lose power to achieve it. Is it as fast as a v8 mustang? Not in the least. But does a mustang come close to driver connectivity of the Z? Not even a little bit.

At the end... It's the trade off all "true enthusiasts" make as a sacrifice for driver connectivity. Not many people will sacrifice $30,000+ for a totally one purpose driver enjoyment vehicle. Most wait for us enthusiasts to buy the car and enjoy it while the average Joe who wants to look like us waits for us to trade in our cars to buy it cheap and play the part.

You can make the practical argument to your wife in a Mustang. That won't hold in the Z. So mustangs sell more. It's that simple.

The Z... To a "true performance driver" will be the better car, unless he has money for a new Cayman. That said... The Z market is tiny.... As is other true sports cars

Agreed, i always laugh at people who say the mustang and the like are more practical....sure you get slightly more trunk space, but those back seats are laughable at best. Heck even the genesis coupes back seats are a joke, i know since i've had the displeasure of sitting in those back seats and at only 5'9" having to hunch over or slouch down about a foot to even attempt to be able to fit in the back seats

cigarclifford · 01-27-2016, 11:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370

I seriously doubt it's that other cars are "better".

What you need to understand is the Z is competing against NON-COMPETITIVE cars. When compared to the muscle 3. 4 seats and a trunk give those cars a higher comfort & convenience factor. Seats that are reclineable & not fixed up a firewall. Higher speaker count for a more robust sound system. Sunroof in some cases and in some cars... Even the high performance tires have all seasons.

Muscle cars this generation are getting closer to the sports car feel but last generation. The Z focused on things the muscle 3 just couldn't give the true enthusiast.
But sales of the Z and related cars prove how small the true enthusiast market is...

The Z focuses on perfectly weight balanced steering, engaging seating position, proper body position, proper armrest to shifter placement, proper knee support, proper center of gravity, getting a balanced highly driver centric & ergonomic package for the senses.

The Z just pays attention to driver engagement qualities way higher than muscle. I can't fathom how so many members can drive 15,000+ miles in a Z and go to a Mustang as a performance alternative and accept the huge deficit in how your body sits in a car and give up that low COG connectivity that can only be had from the Z, toyobaru, miata, and then cars double it's price. And the Z doesn't make you lose power to achieve it. Is it as fast as a v8 mustang? Not in the least. But does a mustang come close to driver connectivity of the Z? Not even a little bit.

At the end... It's the trade off all "true enthusiasts" make as a sacrifice for driver connectivity. Not many people will sacrifice $30,000+ for a totally one purpose driver enjoyment vehicle. Most wait for us enthusiasts to buy the car and enjoy it while the average Joe who wants to look like us waits for us to trade in our cars to buy it cheap and play the part.

You can make the practical argument to your wife in a Mustang. That won't hold in the Z. So mustangs sell more. It's that simple.

The Z... To a "true performance driver" will be the better car, unless he has money for a new Cayman. That said... The Z market is tiny.... As is other true sports cars

well written

-Clifford

felix0121 · 01-28-2016, 12:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370

I seriously doubt it's that other cars are "better".

What you need to understand is the Z is competing against NON-COMPETITIVE cars. When compared to the muscle 3. 4 seats and a trunk give those cars a higher comfort & convenience factor. Seats that are reclineable & not fixed up a firewall. Higher speaker count for a more robust sound system. Sunroof in some cases and in some cars... Even the high performance tires have all seasons.

Muscle cars this generation are getting closer to the sports car feel but last generation. The Z focused on things the muscle 3 just couldn't give the true enthusiast.
But sales of the Z and related cars prove how small the true enthusiast market is...

The Z focuses on perfectly weight balanced steering, engaging seating position, proper body position, proper armrest to shifter placement, proper knee support, proper center of gravity, getting a balanced highly driver centric & ergonomic package for the senses.

The Z just pays attention to driver engagement qualities way higher than muscle. I can't fathom how so many members can drive 15,000+ miles in a Z and go to a Mustang as a performance alternative and accept the huge deficit in how your body sits in a car and give up that low COG connectivity that can only be had from the Z, toyobaru, miata, and then cars double it's price. And the Z doesn't make you lose power to achieve it. Is it as fast as a v8 mustang? Not in the least. But does a mustang come close to driver connectivity of the Z? Not even a little bit.

At the end... It's the trade off all "true enthusiasts" make as a sacrifice for driver connectivity. Not many people will sacrifice $30,000+ for a totally one purpose driver enjoyment vehicle. Most wait for us enthusiasts to buy the car and enjoy it while the average Joe who wants to look like us waits for us to trade in our cars to buy it cheap and play the part.

You can make the practical argument to your wife in a Mustang. That won't hold in the Z. So mustangs sell more. It's that simple.

The Z... To a "true performance driver" will be the better car, unless he has money for a new Cayman. That said... The Z market is tiny.... As is other true sports cars

Just tell people that Zs are inferior to the other muscle 3s.

While they don't know at all what they can enjoy with the Zs, it is just our time to drive most fun.

I never want to see more Zs than its competitors on the street.

Rareness !!

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Powerwiz · 01-28-2016, 08:18 AM

Perhaps the coolest thing for myself is you hardly see any Zs on the road or parking lot. I see Mustangs, Cameros everywhere. Everyone is used to seeing them.

As a result most people compliment the car..much more so then other cars you can get. About the only other rarer car that I see is a Corvette.

mishuko · 01-28-2016, 08:45 AM

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Originally Posted by RobV

Name them plz......

mustang 5.0 durp.

cause my fact sheet says its faster bruh

Quote:

Originally Posted by felix0121

Just tell people that Zs are inferior to the other muscle 3s.

While they don't know at all what they can enjoy with the Zs, it is just our time to drive most fun.

I never want to see more Zs than its competitors on the street.

Rareness !!

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the thing with the new generation muscle cars is what's happening to the 'sport-luxury' market. they're trying to make cars cross over multiple segments to become jack-of-all's.

UNKNOWN_370 · 01-28-2016, 09:15 AM

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Originally Posted by mishuko

mustang 5.0 durp.

cause my fact sheet says its faster bruh

the thing with the new generation muscle cars is what's happening to the 'sport-luxury' market. they're trying to make cars cross over multiple segments to become jack-of-all's.

A car like the Z will always have the advantage of being the purer sports cars... It will always be more structurally rigid, balanced, lower, lighter and in the case of the Z... Competitive power.

The muscle 3 are awesome cars... But they can never be a Z. Until the Rx-7 and Supra come back at the Z price point? The Z will dominate as a stand alone unique driving experience in the price range.

kenchan · 01-28-2016, 10:21 AM

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Originally Posted by cigarclifford

well written

-Clifford

sounds more like

whining to me..

cigarclifford · 01-28-2016, 11:01 AM

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Originally Posted by kenchan

sounds more like

whining to me..

Venting

-Clifford

mishuko · 01-28-2016, 11:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cigarclifford

Venting

-Clifford

constructively ignored criticism

felix0121 · 02-02-2016, 04:55 PM

There are many good cars, but I still prefer my Z to the others.

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kenchan · 02-02-2016, 05:41 PM

needs a lowering kit for sure..

STICK_SHIFT · 02-04-2016, 07:22 PM

What always surprises me is that is that the Z has so many things enthusiasts claim they want:

(1) Naturally aspirated engine
(2) Hydraulic steering
(3) Manual transmission
(4) Compact size
(5) Distinctive looks

...yet it doesn't seem to get much respect.

Maybe with the Cayman going to a turbo 4 (and charging more for it!), people will start to realize what an awesome car the 370Z is?

01-28-2016, 08:18 AM	#34 (permalink)
Powerwiz Base Member Join Date: Dec 2014 Location: El Paso Posts: 120 Drives: 2015 Nissan 370Z MT Rep Power: 10	Perhaps the coolest thing for myself is you hardly see any Zs on the road or parking lot. I see Mustangs, Cameros everywhere. Everyone is used to seeing them. As a result most people compliment the car..much more so then other cars you can get. About the only other rarer car that I see is a Corvette. __________________ 2015 370z Touring 6MT Black Metallic \| Stillen Gen 3 CAI \| Ark Performance DT-S exhaust

02-04-2016, 07:22 PM	#42 (permalink)
STICK_SHIFT Base Member Join Date: Jun 2015 Location: Quarter Mile at a Time Posts: 58 Drives: 4 Wheels Rep Power: 10	What always surprises me is that is that the Z has so many things enthusiasts claim they want: (1) Naturally aspirated engine (2) Hydraulic steering (3) Manual transmission (4) Compact size (5) Distinctive looks ...yet it doesn't seem to get much respect. Maybe with the Cayman going to a turbo 4 (and charging more for it!), people will start to realize what an awesome car the 370Z is? Z_ealot likes this.

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