The 5 most overlooked cars... TFL

UNKNOWN_370 · 01-22-2016, 05:32 AM

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Originally Posted by felix0121

Actually I like the fact that Zs are overlooked by people, usually by other competitors.

One thing I really love for my Z is that Zs are pretty rare on the street. I know Mustang and Camaro even Porsche are all good sports car, but they are TOO many.

Whatever others claim about my Z, I like its rareness, appearance, and performance. And also many people who do not read so-called critic's articles say my Z is just fantastic.

I hope this rareness of Z keeps going.

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Thanks for using the word rare!!!

victort · 01-22-2016, 12:04 AM

it's because there hasn't been any major updates to the 370z since it's inception. It's old news now. Nissan left the car to die a slow death

mishuko · 01-22-2016, 07:21 AM

i was talking to this random guy and he was saying how little trunk space the car has.

i said what does it matter when it carves corners like a champ? i don't care for passengers or hauling large amount of equipment. i did mention play tetris before taking on a lot of baggage... it helps lol

TexasChuck · 01-24-2016, 02:52 PM

All of you have much more knowledge on this than I do. There are soooo many Mustangs and Cameros , not "rare" at all. I do know this....I really like my car!
Regards

UNKNOWN_370 · 01-24-2016, 04:40 PM

i can pack $275 of groceries into my Z. Soft luggage is no problem. The Z storage is perfect for a couple. It can use a strategic dual cup holder. As only one person can have a big gulp lol.

triso07 · 01-25-2016, 07:26 AM

I don't get the trunk space complaint either. Yes it's shallow, but I just went to North Carolina with my wife and managed to pack all of our travel belongings in the car. Yes I had to reconfigure some stuff to get it all in, but in a sports car that's pretty damn impressive to me.

RobV · 01-25-2016, 07:33 PM

Just reading some of the comments and I agree rare! I was looking at the thread about production numbers. If that is accurate only 1200ish 370z's are made for the US a year. Was looking at a comment from a guy on YouTube that has neither car but was trashing the Z because he see's Genesis's all over and no Z's. Well when you make 110,000 Genesis's and only 1200 Z's one would think you wouldn't see as many Z's. If that thread and link are correct there is exactly 16 cars like mine.

victort · 01-25-2016, 10:42 PM

don't forget why they don't produce that many 370Zs, demand. the 370z just doesn't sell. that's why it's one of the most overlooked cars. it's a good car, but there are many other cars out there that are better in the price range.

RobV · 01-25-2016, 11:08 PM

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Originally Posted by victort

don't forget why they don't produce that many 370Zs, demand. the 370z just doesn't sell. that's why it's one of the most overlooked cars. it's a good car, but there are many other cars out there that are better in the price range.

Name them plz......

UNKNOWN_370 · 01-27-2016, 09:46 PM

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Originally Posted by victort

don't forget why they don't produce that many 370Zs, demand. the 370z just doesn't sell. that's why it's one of the most overlooked cars. it's a good car, but there are many other cars out there that are better in the price range.

I seriously doubt it's that other cars are "better".

What you need to understand is the Z is competing against NON-COMPETITIVE cars. When compared to the muscle 3. 4 seats and a trunk give those cars a higher comfort & convenience factor. Seats that are reclineable & not fixed up a firewall. Higher speaker count for a more robust sound system. Sunroof in some cases and in some cars... Even the high performance tires have all seasons.

Muscle cars this generation are getting closer to the sports car feel but last generation. The Z focused on things the muscle 3 just couldn't give the true enthusiast.
But sales of the Z and related cars prove how small the true enthusiast market is...

The Z focuses on perfectly weight balanced steering, engaging seating position, proper body position, proper armrest to shifter placement, proper knee support, proper center of gravity, getting a balanced highly driver centric & ergonomic package for the senses.

The Z just pays attention to driver engagement qualities way higher than muscle. I can't fathom how so many members can drive 15,000+ miles in a Z and go to a Mustang as a performance alternative and accept the huge deficit in how your body sits in a car and give up that low COG connectivity that can only be had from the Z, toyobaru, miata, and then cars double it's price. And the Z doesn't make you lose power to achieve it. Is it as fast as a v8 mustang? Not in the least. But does a mustang come close to driver connectivity of the Z? Not even a little bit.

At the end... It's the trade off all "true enthusiasts" make as a sacrifice for driver connectivity. Not many people will sacrifice $30,000+ for a totally one purpose driver enjoyment vehicle. Most wait for us enthusiasts to buy the car and enjoy it while the average Joe who wants to look like us waits for us to trade in our cars to buy it cheap and play the part.

You can make the practical argument to your wife in a Mustang. That won't hold in the Z. So mustangs sell more. It's that simple.

The Z... To a "true performance driver" will be the better car, unless he has money for a new Cayman. That said... The Z market is tiny.... As is other true sports cars

Z_ealot · 01-27-2016, 10:29 PM

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Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370

I seriously doubt it's that other cars are "better".

What you need to understand is the Z is competing against NON-COMPETITIVE cars. When compared to the muscle 3. 4 seats and a trunk give those cars a higher comfort & convenience factor. Seats that are reclineable & not fixed up a firewall. Higher speaker count for a more robust sound system. Sunroof in some cases and in some cars... Even the high performance tires have all seasons.

Muscle cars this generation are getting closer to the sports car feel but last generation. The Z focused on things the muscle 3 just couldn't give the true enthusiast.
But sales of the Z and related cars prove how small the true enthusiast market is...

The Z focuses on perfectly weight balanced steering, engaging seating position, proper body position, proper armrest to shifter placement, proper knee support, proper center of gravity, getting a balanced highly driver centric & ergonomic package for the senses.

The Z just pays attention to driver engagement qualities way higher than muscle. I can't fathom how so many members can drive 15,000+ miles in a Z and go to a Mustang as a performance alternative and accept the huge deficit in how your body sits in a car and give up that low COG connectivity that can only be had from the Z, toyobaru, miata, and then cars double it's price. And the Z doesn't make you lose power to achieve it. Is it as fast as a v8 mustang? Not in the least. But does a mustang come close to driver connectivity of the Z? Not even a little bit.

At the end... It's the trade off all "true enthusiasts" make as a sacrifice for driver connectivity. Not many people will sacrifice $30,000+ for a totally one purpose driver enjoyment vehicle. Most wait for us enthusiasts to buy the car and enjoy it while the average Joe who wants to look like us waits for us to trade in our cars to buy it cheap and play the part.

You can make the practical argument to your wife in a Mustang. That won't hold in the Z. So mustangs sell more. It's that simple.

The Z... To a "true performance driver" will be the better car, unless he has money for a new Cayman. That said... The Z market is tiny.... As is other true sports cars

Agreed, i always laugh at people who say the mustang and the like are more practical....sure you get slightly more trunk space, but those back seats are laughable at best. Heck even the genesis coupes back seats are a joke, i know since i've had the displeasure of sitting in those back seats and at only 5'9" having to hunch over or slouch down about a foot to even attempt to be able to fit in the back seats

cigarclifford · 01-27-2016, 10:45 PM

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Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370

I seriously doubt it's that other cars are "better".

What you need to understand is the Z is competing against NON-COMPETITIVE cars. When compared to the muscle 3. 4 seats and a trunk give those cars a higher comfort & convenience factor. Seats that are reclineable & not fixed up a firewall. Higher speaker count for a more robust sound system. Sunroof in some cases and in some cars... Even the high performance tires have all seasons.

Muscle cars this generation are getting closer to the sports car feel but last generation. The Z focused on things the muscle 3 just couldn't give the true enthusiast.
But sales of the Z and related cars prove how small the true enthusiast market is...

The Z focuses on perfectly weight balanced steering, engaging seating position, proper body position, proper armrest to shifter placement, proper knee support, proper center of gravity, getting a balanced highly driver centric & ergonomic package for the senses.

The Z just pays attention to driver engagement qualities way higher than muscle. I can't fathom how so many members can drive 15,000+ miles in a Z and go to a Mustang as a performance alternative and accept the huge deficit in how your body sits in a car and give up that low COG connectivity that can only be had from the Z, toyobaru, miata, and then cars double it's price. And the Z doesn't make you lose power to achieve it. Is it as fast as a v8 mustang? Not in the least. But does a mustang come close to driver connectivity of the Z? Not even a little bit.

At the end... It's the trade off all "true enthusiasts" make as a sacrifice for driver connectivity. Not many people will sacrifice $30,000+ for a totally one purpose driver enjoyment vehicle. Most wait for us enthusiasts to buy the car and enjoy it while the average Joe who wants to look like us waits for us to trade in our cars to buy it cheap and play the part.

You can make the practical argument to your wife in a Mustang. That won't hold in the Z. So mustangs sell more. It's that simple.

The Z... To a "true performance driver" will be the better car, unless he has money for a new Cayman. That said... The Z market is tiny.... As is other true sports cars

well written

-Clifford

kenchan · 01-28-2016, 09:21 AM

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Originally Posted by cigarclifford

well written

-Clifford

sounds more like

whining to me..

cigarclifford · 01-28-2016, 10:01 AM

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Originally Posted by kenchan

sounds more like

whining to me..

Venting

-Clifford

felix0121 · 01-27-2016, 11:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370

I seriously doubt it's that other cars are "better".

What you need to understand is the Z is competing against NON-COMPETITIVE cars. When compared to the muscle 3. 4 seats and a trunk give those cars a higher comfort & convenience factor. Seats that are reclineable & not fixed up a firewall. Higher speaker count for a more robust sound system. Sunroof in some cases and in some cars... Even the high performance tires have all seasons.

Muscle cars this generation are getting closer to the sports car feel but last generation. The Z focused on things the muscle 3 just couldn't give the true enthusiast.
But sales of the Z and related cars prove how small the true enthusiast market is...

The Z focuses on perfectly weight balanced steering, engaging seating position, proper body position, proper armrest to shifter placement, proper knee support, proper center of gravity, getting a balanced highly driver centric & ergonomic package for the senses.

The Z just pays attention to driver engagement qualities way higher than muscle. I can't fathom how so many members can drive 15,000+ miles in a Z and go to a Mustang as a performance alternative and accept the huge deficit in how your body sits in a car and give up that low COG connectivity that can only be had from the Z, toyobaru, miata, and then cars double it's price. And the Z doesn't make you lose power to achieve it. Is it as fast as a v8 mustang? Not in the least. But does a mustang come close to driver connectivity of the Z? Not even a little bit.

At the end... It's the trade off all "true enthusiasts" make as a sacrifice for driver connectivity. Not many people will sacrifice $30,000+ for a totally one purpose driver enjoyment vehicle. Most wait for us enthusiasts to buy the car and enjoy it while the average Joe who wants to look like us waits for us to trade in our cars to buy it cheap and play the part.

You can make the practical argument to your wife in a Mustang. That won't hold in the Z. So mustangs sell more. It's that simple.

The Z... To a "true performance driver" will be the better car, unless he has money for a new Cayman. That said... The Z market is tiny.... As is other true sports cars

Just tell people that Zs are inferior to the other muscle 3s.

While they don't know at all what they can enjoy with the Zs, it is just our time to drive most fun.

I never want to see more Zs than its competitors on the street.

Rareness !!

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01-24-2016, 02:52 PM	#4 (permalink)
TexasChuck Track Member Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: SE Texas Posts: 556 Drives: 2014 Black Cherry Co Rep Power: 14	Comparisons! All of you have much more knowledge on this than I do. There are soooo many Mustangs and Cameros , not "rare" at all. I do know this....I really like my car! Regards

01-24-2016, 04:40 PM	#5 (permalink)
UNKNOWN_370 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: ny'r livn in tx Posts: 8,687 Drives: well over 130m.p.h. Rep Power: 14858	i can pack $275 of groceries into my Z. Soft luggage is no problem. The Z storage is perfect for a couple. It can use a strategic dual cup holder. As only one person can have a big gulp lol. __________________ Favorite Quote. "I'm not gonna kill you... I'm just gonna Bash Your Face In" Jack Nicholson-"The Shining". 1980

01-25-2016, 07:26 AM	#6 (permalink)
triso07 Base Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: New York Posts: 174 Drives: xxxxxxx Rep Power: 15	I don't get the trunk space complaint either. Yes it's shallow, but I just went to North Carolina with my wife and managed to pack all of our travel belongings in the car. Yes I had to reconfigure some stuff to get it all in, but in a sports car that's pretty damn impressive to me. UNKNOWN_370 likes this.

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victort Base Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 192 Drives: MB Rep Power: 17	it's because there hasn't been any major updates to the 370z since it's inception. It's old news now. Nissan left the car to die a slow death

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01-25-2016, 07:33 PM	#7 (permalink)
RobV Base Member Join Date: Sep 2015 Location: Pittsburgh area Posts: 64 Drives: 2014 370z TS Nav/M6 Rep Power: 10	Just reading some of the comments and I agree rare! I was looking at the thread about production numbers. If that is accurate only 1200ish 370z's are made for the US a year. Was looking at a comment from a guy on YouTube that has neither car but was trashing the Z because he see's Genesis's all over and no Z's. Well when you make 110,000 Genesis's and only 1200 Z's one would think you wouldn't see as many Z's. If that thread and link are correct there is exactly 16 cars like mine.

01-25-2016, 10:42 PM	#8 (permalink)
victort Base Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 192 Drives: MB Rep Power: 17	don't forget why they don't produce that many 370Zs, demand. the 370z just doesn't sell. that's why it's one of the most overlooked cars. it's a good car, but there are many other cars out there that are better in the price range.