trade my Z for a bmw 135i?

Ommateal

Do what makes you happy man, For me... No ******* way in hell Hahahaha. Z looks way better then that grandpa car.

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Nixin

Arrogant claim? Are other drivers not allowed to 'drool' over a Z? Jeez! Get off of your high horse, buddy. Seems that you allow yourself too many liberties there. I guess that those are the perks of being an elite member. BMW, in my humble opinion, are over glorified cookie cutter designed vehicles. The aesthetics are awful. At best, most BMW's look like a beefed up teutonic Chevrolet Cruze in the eye's of this beholder. Happy New Year.

sunkist350z

All bmw remind me Pontiac grandams
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birdman71

The only way a 135i is effective is when you have invested as much as you would to TT a 370z. At that point yeah the 135i hits 390whp and 450tq, but a TT 370z usually his 550whp 475tq easy without much else besides the TT kit and tuning. A bunch of supporting mods and you are able to easily push 800whp 750tq

So in hindsight you were better off investing that money in a 370z and making some real power. Turbo'd 4 cylinders can only make so much power and go so fast. Twin Turbo'd VVEL VQ37HR's can make some real power and blow by the little murdered out 135i

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m4a1mustang

You made an arrogant remark. I responded with an equally arrogant/smartass remark.

Quit the self-righteous act and have a Merry Festivus, buddy.

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m4a1mustang

Also, a beefed up Chevy Cruze for your viewing pleasure:

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Nixin

Throw on a spinning prop logo and you got yourself a BMW, LOL!
I can tell you that my remark was not arrogant but a point of observation and discussion with like minded car enthusiasts. If it wasn't to your liking, too bad!

m4a1mustang

It comes off as arrogant, though, especially without context. Hopefully you can understand that.

Now I hope you and your family enjoy a healthy and prosperous New Year.

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Nixin

No worries, context is sometimes lost in e-mails and on internet forms. Didn't mean to start a proxy war of words here with you. All the best to you and your family in the New Year as well. Cheers.

m4a1mustang

It's all good, man.

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TPrelude-370z

Glad most of you made up as it is silly to argue on these forums (even though I just wrote a long argumentative response to a negative dude on the bmw forum talking about an unrelated subject).

Now I'm not trying to ruffle any feathers here, but speaking of unrelated posts, I don't think many of you read the initial post of what this thread is about (I probably wouldn't have either as it is ridiculously long, that's what she said). This thread was solely about power potential. I mentioned it like a dozen times that it has nothing to do with looks. I am well aware the Z is a much prettier car and to be honest, I think the BMW is outright ugly. I never even thought I would own a bmw in my lifetime, but there are very few turbo power plants that were in my desired price range and 2 door. It kills me even to have a back seat. Every time I look back to change lanes and see a huge back seat and big window, I think what a practical lame car. The interior is nowhere close to as cool as mine was. My Z was beautiful and well put together and I enjoyed it for 4 years. Once I get a car exactly how I want it, it's time to move on. I can't just enjoy it without progression, that's just how I am, I get bored. I also enjoy making something that isn't so attractive into something better looking. You must remember, I have the Z, I have driven both cars, and the Z cannot compare when it comes to modding without adding a 8k turbo kit. A guy on this forum had a supercharged g37 pushing significant whp and mentioned it wasn't even close to his 135i with minor bolt ons and tune. For the time being, I was willing to give up form for function. Like dating a hot chick that's not so great in bed and moving on to a not so hot chick that is really good in bed, it's a trade off. The only thing is, usually you don't take the less attractive girl out much, hahahahaha.

To Birdman quoted below, again, all love here, just a friendly response.

"The only way a 135i is effective is when you have invested as much as you would to TT a 370z. At that point yeah the 135i hits 390whp and 450tq, but a TT 370z usually his 550whp 475tq easy without much else besides the TT kit and tuning. A bunch of supporting mods and you are able to easily push 800whp 750tq

So in hindsight you were better off investing that money in a 370z and making some real power. Turbo'd 4 cylinders can only make so much power and go so fast. Twin Turbo'd VVEL VQ37HR's can make some real power and blow by the little murdered out 135i"

The 135i is a 6 cylinder, not a 4 and stock hp numbers are under rated if you check out dozens of dyno sheets. It consistently pulls 280hp and 280tq to the wheels on varying dyno's. The stock Z pulls roughly 260-275whp and very low tq numbers 230tq on a good day. I'm not going to post dyno's, but these are consistent numbers. With that said, the two cars with similar stock hp ratings, but the Z is lacking significantly in tq, by 50wtq. That is a huge difference from stock. We all know a tune and breather mods for a turbo car destroys the bang for your buck on a Z. Full bolt ons and a tune you are looking at 315-330whp and 250-260wtq for the Z. The bmw reaches 350whp and 400tq with just a plug and play jb4 until that cost 530$. Add the same bolt on's that you would put on the Z and you are closer to 400whp and 450wtq. The cost for the bolt on's is relative to the cost for Z bolt ons. There are dozens of dyno graphs for both cars to prove my case. Spending another 8k on top of that for a Z to match those numbers is a huge price point difference.

Forget about which car you like better and look at this objectively. Instead of spending 8k, I can spend 2 for full bolt ons and have a rocket sleeper. People keep chiming in on the looks, but that's not the point of the thread. I enjoyed the Z for a long time, but there is something to be said about having a lot of tq. If the Z came out with a stock turbo, I'm sure I would grab another one in the future. Both cars hold their value very well so it's not like I'm going to lose a fortune on a future trade in. With just the 530$ tune, the 135 would destroy my Z in a heads up race (remember, handling is not a question either, just power). I enjoy the newness of modding a different car and making the most out of something that may not be so visually appealing. As I get older, I care a little less about people ogling my car, and more about how fun it is to drive in a straight line.

To me the bmw is not a status symbol at all as you see hundreds on the road per day and I only see a few Z's on the road per year. Let alone that look like mine. I could go on and on, but I just wanted you guys to look at both cars objectively as far as power potentially bang for your buck and forget about looks as we all know there is no comparison. I am already in the process of making drastic changes as pictured below. There are some alternative side skirt options that don't look as terrible as weird curved stock ones (least favorite part of the car)

Pictures between the 2 cars not for comparison. When I first got the Z, it wasn't the hottest chick in the world to me either. Lastly, even though I'm sure nobody wants to chime in on this, I planned on painting the stock rims (first picture) gloss black and keeping them for the winter here in Chicago before I get a nice set for the spring. Opinions on leaving them silver, or painting them gloss black? I can't find a picture of those specific wheels in black. It will be dropped 1.2" and windows tinted, but that's about it for the winter.

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Firebase99

My buddy had 135. DINAN tune. Fricking rocket. Sold it a "while ago" (18 months) been through an M3, Cayman S, S5, now he's had his 911 GTS for 6 months. 135 had issue after issue just like the M3. Liked it but too many issues.

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TPrelude-370z

What year was his 135? N54 or N55? The general consensus is the n55 is more reliable, but still no guarantees. I'm banking on the fact that I only drive 3500 miles a year that I'll be safe at least for a couple years. Only time will tell. Thanks buddy

Firebase99

I believe it was a 2011. Might have been 12 but gut says '11. I vaguely remember him saying it wasn't a twin scroll.

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birdman71

It's all good, I was coming from more of a boosted to boosted comparison not the N/A Z with and without bolt ons vrs the 135i with stock turbo and with and without bolt ons.
I completely understand the N/A compared to the Turbo'd 135i. Of course it will pull more power with a couple bolts ons and a tune than the Z due to it already being turbo'd. With the 135i being turbo'd, bolt-ons and tunes will be more effective than to an N/A. That is a reason why with bolt-ons and a tune the Z will push 320whp 270tq and the 135i will push 360whp 400tq with the same.

If you were to compare straight power to power while boosted:

135I twin turbo with tune etc.: pushes 420whp and 450rwtq when running 20lbs of boost. I could see this engine fully dressed/rebuilt and push 500whp 550rwtq MAXXX... The lack of the .7L worth of an engine and already being closed to max with power after a few bolt ons and an updated tune is kind of upsetting to me atleast. It doesn't leave room to work with for real power.
You would have to drop a bigger engine but then it would make the car too heavy in the front.
370z twin turbo with tune etc: pushes anywhere from 550whp 500rwtq up to 900whp 850rwtq. Depends on what TT kit with add ons and what other mods are done. I know Bullitt who is selling his GTM Stage 6+ TT kit, I believe he pushed 1000whp on a 4.5L stroker. I believe Carbon Z is making a TT 4.0L stroker to push 1000whp+. From what I talked to him about his engine can withstand up to 1400whp, but his fuel system and only has 1200CCs to work with making his engine safe to race with at about 1000whp.
You could put as much money as you do into the Z into the 135i and the 135i would never catch up to the Z.

I guess you are looking at whether or not you're wanting to build a completely custom car for you, or being limited to only Forced Induction without doing a complete engine swap.
They are two different vehicles.

The 135i you can get some good power easily and cheap compared to the Z. The 370z will give you a HELLL of a lot more power over time if truly investing into a custom vehicle.

But for power in a Forced Induction state, the 370z will be more expensive, BUT WILL WIN.

My

Yeah it costs more for the 370z to have twice as much power as the 135i but the bang for your buck doesn't start right away like with the 135i.
370z mods are out of pocket completely and are dressing a stock N/A engine for boost.

Unless you go through bulletproof lol... they finance parts now lol

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