Possible CSC failure. NEED ADVICE ASAP

mastatikle · 12-09-2015, 02:06 AM

I bought my 2009 sport Z in late May and on the 2nd day of having it the clutch pedal stuck to the floor and I was able to prop it up with my foot and brought it straight to the dealer. Dealer replicated problem and agreed to have a shop they use fix it. I drove it easy for a month after being dicked around by the shop with them saying "the parts on back order" until the pedal stuck to the floor and I couldn't get it up at all. Luckily I was a mile from my house and got it home and then towed to shop, apparently those "back ordered" parts magically appeared the next day and the car was fixed (Aug 21). The shop insisted on the fact that it was the master cylinder. They swapped it out and it has been driving as it should until tonight when I was pulling onto the highway and I felt the same soft clutch pedal feeling and instantly my gut clenched up. I struggled off the highway and got it home having to run lights and stuck in 1st. It is currently in front of my house and I'm not sure what I should do. Should I go back to repair shop and bitch at them for not fixing it (is there a warranty)? Should I get my lawyer involved or wait for that? I do not feel as though I am responsible for this since their "fix" only lasted 3 1/2 months. I am out of the 60 day period with the used dealer so I can't really go after them and when this happened last time they just told me to go to shop which I did. Any advice is greatly appreciated.

jaedub · 12-09-2015, 02:23 AM

You should have replaced it with an aftermarket CSC because Nissan factory CSC is total garbage. Go talk to the shop that worked on your car before consulting with your lawyer. With enough luck, you may be able to get it fixed at no cost.

And I don't think you're driving your car properly. The Nissan CSC is terrible but it shouldn't fail that quick. My 2010 Z still has factory CSC and I have no problem with it. It's no coincidence that the CSC failed right after you bought it. Be gentle on the clutch. GL with your repair.

njobe89 · 12-09-2015, 08:16 AM

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Originally Posted by mastatikle

I bought my 2009 sport Z in late May and on the 2nd day of having it the clutch pedal stuck to the floor and I was able to prop it up with my foot and brought it straight to the dealer. Dealer replicated problem and agreed to have a shop they use fix it. I drove it easy for a month after being dicked around by the shop with them saying "the parts on back order" until the pedal stuck to the floor and I couldn't get it up at all. Luckily I was a mile from my house and got it home and then towed to shop, apparently those "back ordered" parts magically appeared the next day and the car was fixed (Aug 21). The shop insisted on the fact that it was the master cylinder. They swapped it out and it has been driving as it should until tonight when I was pulling onto the highway and I felt the same soft clutch pedal feeling and instantly my gut clenched up. I struggled off the highway and got it home having to run lights and stuck in 1st. It is currently in front of my house and I'm not sure what I should do. Should I go back to repair shop and bitch at them for not fixing it (is there a warranty)? Should I get my lawyer involved or wait for that? I do not feel as though I am responsible for this since their "fix" only lasted 3 1/2 months. I am out of the 60 day period with the used dealer so I can't really go after them and when this happened last time they just told me to go to shop which I did. Any advice is greatly appreciated.

i never have that problem

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Originally Posted by jaedub

You should have replaced it with an aftermarket CSC because Nissan factory CSC is total garbage. Go talk to the shop that worked on your car before consulting with your lawyer. With enough luck, you may be able to get it fixed at no cost.

And I don't think you're driving your car properly. The Nissan CSC is terrible but it shouldn't fail that quick. My 2010 Z still has factory CSC and I have no problem with it. It's no coincidence that the CSC failed right after you bought it. Be gentle on the clutch. GL with your repair.

with the first part... the second part i however disagree with. there is a thread about csc failures and there are more than enough people with driving less than 5,000 miles where their csc failed. there is no magic number to how long it will/can last.

mastatikle · 12-09-2015, 08:24 AM

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Originally Posted by jaedub

You should have replaced it with an aftermarket CSC because Nissan factory CSC is total garbage. Go talk to the shop that worked on your car before consulting with your lawyer. With enough luck, you may be able to get it fixed at no cost.

And I don't think you're driving your car properly. The Nissan CSC is terrible but it shouldn't fail that quick. My 2010 Z still has factory CSC and I have no problem with it. It's no coincidence that the CSC failed right after you bought it. Be gentle on the clutch. GL with your repair.

Well I bought the car used so who knows what the other driver was doing, it could have failed and instantly he brought it in to trade in. And was still able to drive it like I was. This shop only replaced the MC so it's got 56k with the oem CSC. I'll head over and talk to them today.

mastatikle · 12-09-2015, 08:26 AM

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Originally Posted by njobe89

i never have that problem

with the first part... the second part i however disagree with. there is a thread about csc failures and there are more than enough people with driving less than 5,000 miles where their csc failed. there is no magic number to how long it will/can last.

I understand, but my CSC was never replaced, the dealer swapped the master cylinder and it worked for 3 months.

njobe89 · 12-09-2015, 08:35 AM

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Originally Posted by mastatikle

I understand, but my CSC was never replaced, the dealer swapped the master cylinder and it worked for 3 months.

some people have had luck to get that part replaced under warranty and some have not.

this is what you need
ZSpeed Performance Replacment HD Clutch CSC Heavy Duty Slave Cylinder Kit

now if you can get the shop to install it under warranty or however else for free then that's always good. but i believe labor could be anywhere from $400-600 depending on how much the shop charges. usually when people do this they replace the MSC & CSC. some change their flywheel and clutch as well.

kenchan · 12-09-2015, 01:48 PM

benjo -

i knew u'd bold dat part of the post. not sure why.

as for the fix, id take it to another dealer or a speed shop and get both the master and slave cylinders replaced...preferably the aftermarket slave noted above.

njobe89 · 12-09-2015, 01:53 PM

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Originally Posted by kenchan

benjo -

i knew u'd bold dat part of the post. not sure why.

as for the fix, id take it to another dealer or a speed shop and get both the master and slave cylinders replaced...preferably the aftermarket slave noted above.

oh you know me too well chanken lol

enguyen88 · 12-10-2015, 11:05 AM

You bought a used car. It's not going to be perfect. I don't think the dealership you bought it from owes you anything. I wouldn't waste time/money on a lawyer.

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Originally Posted by mastatikle

I bought my 2009 sport Z in late May and on the 2nd day of having it the clutch pedal stuck to the floor and I was able to prop it up with my foot and brought it straight to the dealer. Dealer replicated problem and agreed to have a shop they use fix it. I drove it easy for a month after being dicked around by the shop with them saying "the parts on back order" until the pedal stuck to the floor and I couldn't get it up at all. Luckily I was a mile from my house and got it home and then towed to shop, apparently those "back ordered" parts magically appeared the next day and the car was fixed (Aug 21). The shop insisted on the fact that it was the master cylinder. They swapped it out and it has been driving as it should until tonight when I was pulling onto the highway and I felt the same soft clutch pedal feeling and instantly my gut clenched up. I struggled off the highway and got it home having to run lights and stuck in 1st. It is currently in front of my house and I'm not sure what I should do. Should I go back to repair shop and bitch at them for not fixing it (is there a warranty)? Should I get my lawyer involved or wait for that? I do not feel as though I am responsible for this since their "fix" only lasted 3 1/2 months. I am out of the 60 day period with the used dealer so I can't really go after them and when this happened last time they just told me to go to shop which I did. Any advice is greatly appreciated.

EzDz · 12-10-2015, 11:14 AM

This story of mine is in the csc thread. But short version my 2016 nismo had csc failure at 1200 miles, dealer fixed it, drove a new sport at the dealer to show them my shifter block off plate needed moved, and this car had csc failure at 2 miles.. 2. Clutch fluid was gone.

Soo replace your fluid with motul 600 and dont hold the clutch in when stopped

kenchan · 12-10-2015, 11:21 AM

i mentioned this on another thread, but i think the csc prematurely wears out if u abruptly force the csc to work at high rpm. go easy on the clutch-in especially at high rpm.

littlejuanito · 12-10-2015, 12:07 PM

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Originally Posted by EzDz

replace your fluid with motul 600 and dont hold the clutch in when stopped

Is it really that bad to have the clutch fully depressed say in 1st gear, while at a stop light?

enguyen88 · 12-10-2015, 12:13 PM

I do it and have 110k on my 2010. Still on original CSC. But it prob does put unnecessary pressure on the CSC.

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Originally Posted by littlejuanito

Is it really that bad to have the clutch fully depressed say in 1st gear, while at a stop light?

kenchan · 12-10-2015, 12:18 PM

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Originally Posted by littlejuanito

Is it really that bad to have the clutch fully depressed say in 1st gear, while at a stop light?

yah, put it in neutral while at a stop.

ill mention dat ive owned many new cars i bought new with MT's. none required any tranny service.

kenchan · 12-10-2015, 12:20 PM

well, besides tranny oil change.. and clutch fluid change ranger style.

12-09-2015, 02:06 AM	#1 (permalink)
mastatikle Base Member Join Date: May 2015 Location: NY Posts: 212 Drives: 2009 370z 6M Rep Power: 10	Possible CSC failure. NEED ADVICE ASAP I bought my 2009 sport Z in late May and on the 2nd day of having it the clutch pedal stuck to the floor and I was able to prop it up with my foot and brought it straight to the dealer. Dealer replicated problem and agreed to have a shop they use fix it. I drove it easy for a month after being dicked around by the shop with them saying "the parts on back order" until the pedal stuck to the floor and I couldn't get it up at all. Luckily I was a mile from my house and got it home and then towed to shop, apparently those "back ordered" parts magically appeared the next day and the car was fixed (Aug 21). The shop insisted on the fact that it was the master cylinder. They swapped it out and it has been driving as it should until tonight when I was pulling onto the highway and I felt the same soft clutch pedal feeling and instantly my gut clenched up. I struggled off the highway and got it home having to run lights and stuck in 1st. It is currently in front of my house and I'm not sure what I should do. Should I go back to repair shop and bitch at them for not fixing it (is there a warranty)? Should I get my lawyer involved or wait for that? I do not feel as though I am responsible for this since their "fix" only lasted 3 1/2 months. I am out of the 60 day period with the used dealer so I can't really go after them and when this happened last time they just told me to go to shop which I did. Any advice is greatly appreciated.

12-10-2015, 11:14 AM	#10 (permalink)
EzDz Enthusiast Member Join Date: Aug 2015 Location: Pittsburgh Posts: 309 Drives: 2016 370z Nismo Tech Rep Power: 10	This story of mine is in the csc thread. But short version my 2016 nismo had csc failure at 1200 miles, dealer fixed it, drove a new sport at the dealer to show them my shifter block off plate needed moved, and this car had csc failure at 2 miles.. 2. Clutch fluid was gone. Soo replace your fluid with motul 600 and dont hold the clutch in when stopped __________________ Nismo \| Moore Performance \| AAM \| Tein \| PPE \| Tomei \| Eibach \| Z1 Sponsored: Mishimoto

12-10-2015, 11:21 AM	#11 (permalink)
kenchan A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: N/A Posts: 76,801 Drives: N/A Rep Power: 141521	i mentioned this on another thread, but i think the csc prematurely wears out if u abruptly force the csc to work at high rpm. go easy on the clutch-in especially at high rpm. jaedub and enguyen88 like this.

12-10-2015, 12:20 PM	#15 (permalink)
kenchan A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: N/A Posts: 76,801 Drives: N/A Rep Power: 141521	well, besides tranny oil change.. and clutch fluid change ranger style. Fountainhead likes this.

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12-09-2015, 02:23 AM	#2 (permalink)
jaedub Track Member Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 906 Drives: 2010 Black 370Z MT Rep Power: 305	You should have replaced it with an aftermarket CSC because Nissan factory CSC is total garbage. Go talk to the shop that worked on your car before consulting with your lawyer. With enough luck, you may be able to get it fixed at no cost. And I don't think you're driving your car properly. The Nissan CSC is terrible but it shouldn't fail that quick. My 2010 Z still has factory CSC and I have no problem with it. It's no coincidence that the CSC failed right after you bought it. Be gentle on the clutch. GL with your repair.

12-09-2015, 01:48 PM	#7 (permalink)
kenchan A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: N/A Posts: 76,801 Drives: N/A Rep Power: 141521	benjo - i knew u'd bold dat part of the post. not sure why. as for the fix, id take it to another dealer or a speed shop and get both the master and slave cylinders replaced...preferably the aftermarket slave noted above.