Woman charged in fatal 370z crash caught on dash cam

FairladyZ10PG · 07-23-2015, 06:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Zbrah

still trying to justify your view even when evidence clearly shows who caused the accident. Like I said the Z shouldn't have been at the point of impact if it was obeying traffic rules.

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Originally Posted by Z-Girl 12

Leave her in jail the rest of her life. 3 kids left motherless...pisses me off.

Life is a bit harsh imo. She is young and doesn't know any better. It was an accident. I do hope she gets what she deserves though. 3 kids being motherless IS heartbreaking...

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Originally Posted by 1087

Let it die Bro, they don't get it.
They just go by the fact that the law is considering the right of way because the other street has a stop sign. Obviously not too far ahead in time laws will be revise, for cases like this and many others.
They don;t see the reckless driving,zigzagging, and the lack of reflexes from this Z driver, on an emergency situation, if people like to play at least they need to have a plan B, if something goes wrong, accelerates is easy, having skills and brains is something else.

A young female driver going 30mph above the limit, not signaling when changing lanes, and talking on her cellphone all at the same time?.... in a +300hp rwd sports coupe no less? it's just a matter of time before something like this happens. Reckless and complete disregard for her and the others' life.

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Originally Posted by njobe89

50/50
the Z was driving recklessly, but the van didn't yield either
a good lawyer will beat the manslaughter charge guaranteed
always sad when a life is lost. even without doing any jail time that girls life is ruined too. knowing you killed someone is a hard burden to live with for a normal person.

I looked at the video a few times at the point of crash and right before impact. It appears the van never slowed down while crossing the busy intersection. I do believe the van driver is at fault also. I was surprised the other cars didn't hit the van first.

Magic Bus · 07-23-2015, 07:27 PM

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Originally Posted by FairladyZ10PG

I was surprised the other cars didn't hit the van first.

Because they weren't driving 82 mph

DIGItonium · 07-24-2015, 09:42 AM

A few weeks ago my friend was in a serious motorcycle accident. It was just a casual day of riding when he crashed into a car. He's very attentive and rides defensively, but it happened out of nowhere to the point he has no recollection. The driver of the other car quickly covered him up at the scene and got him flowers the next morning.

No matter how attentive you are even with little to no distractions something like this can happen out of nowhere.

mayday813 · 07-24-2015, 11:21 PM

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Originally Posted by JC-Nismo

Oh yeah, much better and I stand on my original statement that I feel like the victim was at fault for pulling into oncoming traffic.

This is going to be a question of who had the greater degree of negligence/fault. The Z for speeding and on phone or the deceased in the van who failed to notice the speeding Z. The Z did have the right of way. Tough call although the video does clearly show the Z swerving to the left when she should have swerved to the right (where the van was not at.) This case will probably never make it to a jury since the sympathy factor for the deceased mother of three would make the Z's drivers case pretty hard to defend. Hope she had sufficient insurance limits.

UNKNOWN_370 · 07-25-2015, 04:09 PM

The mods should compile all the accident threads into its own section. Being that the most tragic, stupid and idiotic accidents happen here in Tx. The thread can be called :

"Stupid Texan Car Wrecks!"

MacCool · 07-25-2015, 05:18 PM

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Originally Posted by JC-Nismo

Of course there's liability, reckless driving and speeding and in which cannot be proven even with this video in regards to speeding unless they can magically compute speed from a dash cam video. 3rd or 4th degree Reckless or Involuntary Manslaughter is what they'll get at the most and she won't serve a day in prison especially at 21 and she has no priors, Just My Opinion.

You're a little fuzzy on the details of accident reconstruction aren't you?

JC-Nismo · 07-25-2015, 05:38 PM

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Originally Posted by MacCool

You're a little fuzzy on the details of accident reconstruction aren't you?

Not at all, just saying I've seen these type of accidents before and I'm willing to bet it all that the Manslaughter charge won't hold water and this young lady at the young age of 21 won't see a day in prison.

MacCool · 07-26-2015, 04:22 AM

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Originally Posted by JC-Nismo

Not at all, just saying I've seen these type of accidents before and I'm willing to bet it all that the Manslaughter charge won't hold water and this young lady at the young age of 21 won't see a day in prison.

I don't know what charges will stick, nor what sentence she'll get...I'm not a lawyer (are you?). I do know that from the accident reconstruction (laser scanner was shown in the video) they have all they need to prosecute the case -- the dashcam is just icing on the cake. Something to get the jury all emotionally worked up in addition to the demonstrated facts of the accident.

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mattjk · 07-26-2015, 05:00 AM

Police REALLY need to be more harsh on catching ******* ******** on their cell phones while driving. I almost got hit 3 times today from people texting, coming into my lane.

mattjk · 07-26-2015, 05:05 AM

America's Most Rotten: Karen Morris aka Karyne Morris - Las Vegas, NV

Killer - Karen B Morris aka Karyne Morris

Current or Previous Address? - 1740 Baja Ln, Henderson, NV 89012

Future Address - HELL

Current or Previous Employment? - Real Estate

Approximate Age (as of November 2010) - 42

Crime Committed - March 2001

Charges - 3 counts of Felony Reckless Driving

Sentence - 26 weekends in jail, and 5 years probation.

Killer's Victims - Leona Greif (Age 61) and Marcia Nathans (Age 65)

Details - A Henderson woman who pleaded guilty to talking on a cell phone and causing a collision that killed two people will spend a month in jail after she violated her probation by working out at a gym.

District Judge Nancy Saitta on Tuesday sentenced Karen Morris to 30 days in the Clark County Detention Center for violating her house arrest by exercising at a Henderson 24 Hour Fitness Center.

Morris, a local Realtor, said she misunderstood the terms of her probation. But Saitta said Morris believes she is above the law.

"There is a consistent and disturbing pattern that so long as Ms Morris misunderstands the conditions of her freedom, that will be enough," she said.

Saitta could have reinstated Morris' suspended prison sentence of 4 to 12 years. Morris was placed on 5 years probation and ordered to spend 26 weekends in jail after pleading guilty to three counts of felony reckless driving in the March 2001 collision that killed Leona Greif, 61, and Marcia Nathans, 65.

A third passenger was critically injured in the crash. Authorities claim Morris was talking on her cell phone and speeding when the accident occurred.

But the trips to the gym were the latest in several incidents in which Morris claimed to have misunderstood the terms of her probation, Prosecutor Gary Booker said.

Morris was placed in house arrest after taking an unauthorized trip to Utah in March, he said. Morris said she thought she was allowed to take the trip.

"She has proven that she is going to do what she is going to do," Booker said. "The rules don't apply to her."

Morris had signed a contract with the Department of Parole and Probation that spelled out the terms of her probation.

According to the contract, Morris was only to leave her house to go to work, attend weekly religious services or shop for her basic needs.

"Frankly, I don't think it could be any clearer," Saitta said. Morris was supposed to track her daily activities in a log, but trips to the gym were not listed.

The gym's management later confirmed that Morris had visited the gym 13 times in the previous month.

Police say Karen Morris was traveling at 64 mph in a 45 mph zone while talking on her cell phone. They say she ran a red light, then smashed into another car killing two people. Morris and her 7 year old daughter were treated for minor injuries.

Witnesses told police Morris was talking on her cellular telephone as she crashed and as she swerved around a line of cars at a previous crossroads and ran that red light, Clark County Deputy District Attorney Mary Brown told The Associated Press.

Karen "Karyne" Morris is among America's Most Rotten because we believe she is a rotten uncaring person. She was speeding through red lights while talking on her cell phone, and with her 7 year old daughter in the car. Two innocent people lost their lives because of her reckless driving. Karen also violated her probation and falsified her daily activities log. We believe she changed the spelling of her first name from Karen to Karyne to prevent potential clients from seeing stories about her online. Guess she doesn't want clients to see what type of person she really is. Why would you do business with a woman like this? We believe Karen Morris is a cold hearted rotten person who has no conscience.

onzedge · 07-26-2015, 06:04 AM

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Originally Posted by mattjk

Police REALLY need to be more harsh on catching ******* ******** on their cell phones while driving. I almost got hit 3 times today from people texting, coming into my lane.

burntz · 07-26-2015, 08:27 AM

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Originally Posted by mattjk

Police REALLY need to be more harsh on catching ******* ******** on their cell phones while driving. I almost got hit 3 times today from people texting, coming into my lane.

Yeah! Some asshat just almost hit me as I was replying TO this thread!

A quick Google tells me that in Texas you can be charged with vehicular manslaughter if you're driving recklessly; I'm glad I checked because I was just going to chime in that she'd probably be guilty of speeding & reckless but not manslaughter.

If she was not driving reckless than no one every is... take her license away but does Texas really need more prisoners at 35k$/year each?.

Watching the video I'd still blame the van driver for stupidly pulling out, if the traffic is bad turn right and turn at the next light, takes a minute longer (or not verse you waiting for a safe opening) but you get to hug your kids that night...

Re prior post of 'make everyone drive MT so you can't hold the phone' would just make yakkers take both hands off wheel when shifting (knee steering)

Drive safely Kiddies!!

This is what my car needs - The Oatmeal

[]Texas Manslaughter Laws - FindLaw

Fuzzzy · 07-26-2015, 01:04 PM

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Originally Posted by burntz

Yeah! Some asshat just almost hit me as I was replying TO this thread!

A quick Google tells me that in Texas you can be charged with vehicular manslaughter if you're driving recklessly; I'm glad I checked because I was just going to chime in that she'd probably be guilty of speeding & reckless but not manslaughter.

If she was not driving reckless than no one every is... take her license away but does Texas really need more prisoners at 35k$/year each?.

Watching the video I'd still blame the van driver for stupidly pulling out, if the traffic is bad turn right and turn at the next light, takes a minute longer (or not verse you waiting for a safe opening) but you get to hug your kids that night...

Re prior post of 'make everyone drive MT so you can't hold the phone' would just make yakkers take both hands off wheel when shifting (knee steering)

Drive safely Kiddies!!

This is what my car needs - The Oatmeal

[]Texas Manslaughter Laws - FindLaw

Confiscate her car and any car she ever drives again regardless of the owner. It wouldn't take long before no one would let her borrow a car.

I'm sure it would require legislation, but it is a far better option than simply suspending a DL. I don't know why states haven't been doing this with repeat DUI offenders for years.

JC-Nismo · 07-26-2015, 01:06 PM

That story about Karen Morris is a clear example of why I stand on my views. Not only was she Speeding, Reckless driving, Talking on her cell phone and Child endangerment, but she also blew through a red light and 100% caused the death of not one, but two people.......................... And she still got a suspended sentence!!!
Was this young lady in Texas was at fault.......... YES, but not 100% as I believe the victim is part of the blame for pulling out into traffic. I'm no lawyer, but the most I've ever seen from a case like this is 3rd degree reckless or involuntary vehicular manslaughter and it carried no prison time.

07-24-2015, 09:42 AM	#108 (permalink)
DIGItonium A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Kansas Posts: 3,800 Drives: 09 Z34-TT 6MT Rep Power: 42	A few weeks ago my friend was in a serious motorcycle accident. It was just a casual day of riding when he crashed into a car. He's very attentive and rides defensively, but it happened out of nowhere to the point he has no recollection. The driver of the other car quickly covered him up at the scene and got him flowers the next morning. No matter how attentive you are even with little to no distractions something like this can happen out of nowhere. __________________

07-25-2015, 04:09 PM	#110 (permalink)
UNKNOWN_370 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: ny'r livn in tx Posts: 8,687 Drives: well over 130m.p.h. Rep Power: 14858	The mods should compile all the accident threads into its own section. Being that the most tragic, stupid and idiotic accidents happen here in Tx. The thread can be called : "Stupid Texan Car Wrecks!" __________________ Favorite Quote. "I'm not gonna kill you... I'm just gonna Bash Your Face In" Jack Nicholson-"The Shining". 1980

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07-26-2015, 05:00 AM	#114 (permalink)
mattjk Enthusiast Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Azusa Posts: 331 Drives: 09 370z K51 09 Elise Rep Power: 267	Police REALLY need to be more harsh on catching ***** ****** on their cell phones while driving. I almost got hit 3 times today from people texting, coming into my lane.

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mattjk Enthusiast Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Azusa Posts: 331 Drives: 09 370z K51 09 Elise Rep Power: 267	America's Most Rotten: Karen Morris aka Karyne Morris - Las Vegas, NV Killer - Karen B Morris aka Karyne Morris Current or Previous Address? - 1740 Baja Ln, Henderson, NV 89012 Future Address - HELL Current or Previous Employment? - Real Estate Approximate Age (as of November 2010) - 42 Crime Committed - March 2001 Charges - 3 counts of Felony Reckless Driving Sentence - 26 weekends in jail, and 5 years probation. Killer's Victims - Leona Greif (Age 61) and Marcia Nathans (Age 65) Details - A Henderson woman who pleaded guilty to talking on a cell phone and causing a collision that killed two people will spend a month in jail after she violated her probation by working out at a gym. District Judge Nancy Saitta on Tuesday sentenced Karen Morris to 30 days in the Clark County Detention Center for violating her house arrest by exercising at a Henderson 24 Hour Fitness Center. Morris, a local Realtor, said she misunderstood the terms of her probation. But Saitta said Morris believes she is above the law. "There is a consistent and disturbing pattern that so long as Ms Morris misunderstands the conditions of her freedom, that will be enough," she said. Saitta could have reinstated Morris' suspended prison sentence of 4 to 12 years. Morris was placed on 5 years probation and ordered to spend 26 weekends in jail after pleading guilty to three counts of felony reckless driving in the March 2001 collision that killed Leona Greif, 61, and Marcia Nathans, 65. A third passenger was critically injured in the crash. Authorities claim Morris was talking on her cell phone and speeding when the accident occurred. But the trips to the gym were the latest in several incidents in which Morris claimed to have misunderstood the terms of her probation, Prosecutor Gary Booker said. Morris was placed in house arrest after taking an unauthorized trip to Utah in March, he said. Morris said she thought she was allowed to take the trip. "She has proven that she is going to do what she is going to do," Booker said. "The rules don't apply to her." Morris had signed a contract with the Department of Parole and Probation that spelled out the terms of her probation. According to the contract, Morris was only to leave her house to go to work, attend weekly religious services or shop for her basic needs. "Frankly, I don't think it could be any clearer," Saitta said. Morris was supposed to track her daily activities in a log, but trips to the gym were not listed. The gym's management later confirmed that Morris had visited the gym 13 times in the previous month. Police say Karen Morris was traveling at 64 mph in a 45 mph zone while talking on her cell phone. They say she ran a red light, then smashed into another car killing two people. Morris and her 7 year old daughter were treated for minor injuries. Witnesses told police Morris was talking on her cellular telephone as she crashed and as she swerved around a line of cars at a previous crossroads and ran that red light, Clark County Deputy District Attorney Mary Brown told The Associated Press. Karen "Karyne" Morris is among America's Most Rotten because we believe she is a rotten uncaring person. She was speeding through red lights while talking on her cell phone, and with her 7 year old daughter in the car. Two innocent people lost their lives because of her reckless driving. Karen also violated her probation and falsified her daily activities log. We believe she changed the spelling of her first name from Karen to Karyne to prevent potential clients from seeing stories about her online. Guess she doesn't want clients to see what type of person she really is. Why would you do business with a woman like this? We believe Karen Morris is a cold hearted rotten person who has no conscience.

07-26-2015, 01:06 PM	#119 (permalink)
JC-Nismo A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Sep 2014 Location: Atlanta Posts: 1,244 Drives: 2011 Nismo 370z Rep Power: 13	That story about Karen Morris is a clear example of why I stand on my views. Not only was she Speeding, Reckless driving, Talking on her cell phone and Child endangerment, but she also blew through a red light and 100% caused the death of not one, but two people.......................... And she still got a suspended sentence!!! Was this young lady in Texas was at fault.......... YES, but not 100% as I believe the victim is part of the blame for pulling out into traffic. I'm no lawyer, but the most I've ever seen from a case like this is 3rd degree reckless or involuntary vehicular manslaughter and it carried no prison time.