Woman charged in fatal 370z crash caught on dash cam

37zeroZ · 07-18-2015, 10:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Z-Girl 12

Leave her in jail the rest of her life. 3 kids left motherless...pisses me off.

Must be that time of the month. Emotions only go so far.

Jimbo370 · 07-18-2015, 10:55 PM

wow, I just got back from Harlingen 2 days ago. I was eating at Luby's on sunset strip hwy & can verify there are bad drivers down there. Their cars are not maintained, riding on donuts at 40mph in 60 zones and they basically have suicide middle lanes in the streets. My dad was almost killed in the nearby town of san Benito, Tx. He was mad driving at high rate of speed near town with palm tree islands and a semi pulls out. The car became a 57 ford convertible. He jumped to the floor board and saved his head. be careful out there.

37zeroZ · 07-18-2015, 10:59 PM

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Originally Posted by 1087

Let it die Bro, they don't get it.
They just go by the fact that the law is considering the right of way because the other street has a stop sign. Obviously not too far ahead in time laws will be revise, for cases like this and many others.
They don;t see the reckless driving,zigzagging, and the lack of reflexes from this Z driver, on an emergency situation, if people like to play at least they need to have a plan B, if something goes wrong, accelerates is easy, having skills and brains is something else.

I agree the Z driver was reckless driving too fast, but the van driver was also reckless by crossing into oncoming traffic. I'm puzzled why the van driver did not see the Z coming down the road unless, as I mentioned before, was blinded by the bushes to the left before crossing into the intersection.

JC-Nismo · 07-19-2015, 08:44 AM

I wish the best for both family's.

Z-Girl 12 · 07-19-2015, 01:42 PM

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Originally Posted by 37zeroZ

Must be that time of the month. Emotions only go so far.

Not hardly bro...but will let you know when

Zbrah · 07-19-2015, 03:10 PM

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Originally Posted by JC-Nismo

I wish the best for both family's.

Three kids are left behind without a mother. The best thing going for them now is getting some closure. Hopefully, the Z driver will be going away for a few years. Doing time also serves as the best lesson for the rest of her life. At the end of the day there are only losers on both sides. Very tragic

njobe89 · 07-20-2015, 09:35 AM

50/50
the Z was driving recklessly, but the van didn't yield either
a good lawyer will beat the manslaughter charge guaranteed
always sad when a life is lost. even without doing any jail time that girls life is ruined too. knowing you killed someone is a hard burden to live with for a normal person.

geddy lee · 07-20-2015, 10:44 AM

Here in Delaware it is illegal to be talking on a hand held cell phone when driving but, I still see it everyday. When I see someone run a stop sign, CELLPHONE. When I am behind someone, the light turns green and they just sit there, CELLPHONE. When I am on the highway and the person in front of me is swerving back and forth, CELLPHONE and the worst one is when I am driving the back roads having some fun and the oncoming car starts to drift into my lane, F--KING CELLPHONE. I don't put up with it anymore. If I see someone talking while driving I will honk the horn , flash my H-beams and if possible pull up next to them and tell them they are breaking the law and putting people in danger. I have had it with this s--T.

kenchan · 07-20-2015, 10:54 AM

A few years back I counted the number of drivers with a celphone in their hand while waiting at the light.

I saw 7 out of 10 on average.

These days less people drive with their handset in their hand because of the new rule (law?) in our state
and a lot of modern cars now offer hands-free as standard feature.

kenchan · 07-20-2015, 10:55 AM

...but i still see stupid accidents.

Magic Bus · 07-20-2015, 04:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Magic Bus

JC, I appreciate the fact that you agree with me that someone who is speeding has liability in an accident.

Here's what you and 37zero may have overlooked. While the dash cam video itself cannot determine the speed of the Z, the data that it recorded can be analyzed to determine the speed of the Z with very good accuracy. Here's how.

Authorities will pick a landmark starting point for the Z from the video. From that landmark point, they will then measure the distance to the point of impact for the 2 cars. Review the video again to determine the amount of time it took the Z to travel the distance between these 2 points. Input these factors in a time and distance calculator and your mph will be calculated.

Let's use 1087's link of this video (1st video for accident) for me to explain. Right at the 3 second mark in the video (bottom time on screen) the Z overtakes the video cam car on the left. It passes a small street and a white sign on the left of it, lets use that sign as the landmark starting point. At right around the 9 second mark, we see the collision then hear the driver say "boom".

So 6 seconds from landmark starting point to collision point. Now if this distance was 220 yards (1/8 mile), her speed was 75 mph. If 250 yards, speed is 85 mph. Obviously, the shorter the distance, the slower her speed.

I think this should explain it pretty clearly and in the other video where the police said she was over 30 mph above the speed limit, indicates to me that they have already done their preliminary calculations. Then include the fact that she was on her cell phone, gives the prosecuting attorney a solid case.

Just thought I'd add some concrete information to this debate. Using the information that I shared with all of you earlier (shown above). I was able, using google maps distance feature to determine the distance, from the landmark white sign to the point of impact. It is 820 feet or 273 yards used in calculator.

After reviewing the video on my large screen monitor at work numerous times, the time it took the Z to cover this distance was right about 6.75 seconds. This equates to a speed of 82.73 mph

Zbrah · 07-20-2015, 05:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Magic Bus

Just thought I'd add some concrete information to this debate. Using the information that I shared with all of you earlier (shown above). I was able, using google maps distance feature to determine the distance, from the landmark white sign to the point of impact. It is 820 feet or 273 yards used in calculator.

After reviewing the video on my large screen monitor at work numerous times, the time it took the Z to cover this distance was right about 6.75 seconds. This equates to a speed of 82.73 mph

Speed had nothing to do with it!

Magic Bus · 07-20-2015, 06:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Zbrah

Speed had nothing to do with it!

DIGItonium · 07-20-2015, 11:52 PM

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Originally Posted by 37zeroZ

I agree the Z driver was reckless driving too fast, but the van driver was also reckless by crossing into oncoming traffic. I'm puzzled why the van driver did not see the Z coming down the road unless, as I mentioned before, was blinded by the bushes to the left before crossing into the intersection.

I must chime in on this one.

The mother driving the van did not have enough time to determine the Z's speed and approach because it was weaving at 80+ MPH. She did not know whether to slam the brakes or gun it. If she slammed the brakes the Z pretty much would've t-boned her. If she floored it, the Z pretty much swerved left (in the video) and would've t-boned her as well. Plus, the van has very poor throttle response so there would be an initial lag or slippage, which would've jeopardized her anyway. She couldn't maneuver left or right from her perspective either because the Z would've hit her regardless.

Allentown · 07-23-2015, 05:41 PM

yes....i agree. When you are pulling out into traffic there is no way you can see far enough or gauge correctly when you have all the traffic going 45, there is no way you can judge whats happening with an incoming car going 75 weaving through the pack...the brain just cant do that while also multitasking and operating the vehicle.

Some people might have caugh that with their peripheral vision (believe it or not the detection actually occurs in a DIFFERENT PART OF THE BRAIN) that is not directly connected to the conscious mind. This is meant to give us the ability to react quicker with instinct but some times it has the reverse effect...you get about a .5 second delay in reacting because you are completing complex tasks, not just physicially dodging something......however the people who would have had the capability of catching that would be professional drivers, atheletes, marksman, baseball players, maybe some of us car enthusiasts, video game players etc.

A mom in a mini van....no, she would not have had the capacity. Anyone with ANY distraction in the car also would not have had the capacity to detect it.

Fault is clearly the white z....but its also just bad luck. She was speeding a little and just happen to come upon the wrong intersection at the wrong time...at precisly the time she was also being a dumb *** and operating a cell phone.....you play with stupid...you get burned.

07-19-2015, 08:44 AM	#94 (permalink)
JC-Nismo A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Sep 2014 Location: Atlanta Posts: 1,244 Drives: 2011 Nismo 370z Rep Power: 13	I wish the best for both family's. Jordo! and cooltoy like this.

07-20-2015, 09:35 AM	#97 (permalink)
njobe89 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: May 2014 Location: Atlanta, GA Posts: 5,227 Drives: 2013 370z BS 6MT Rep Power: 174284	50/50 the Z was driving recklessly, but the van didn't yield either a good lawyer will beat the manslaughter charge guaranteed always sad when a life is lost. even without doing any jail time that girls life is ruined too. knowing you killed someone is a hard burden to live with for a normal person. JC-Nismo likes this. __________________ 2 plus 2 times 2 = ? ... hint, it's not 8 Stillen CBE, Stillen Gen 3, TP's, Uprev tuned - 324whp/264tq

07-23-2015, 05:41 PM	#105 (permalink)
Allentown Base Member Join Date: Mar 2015 Location: Georgia Posts: 34 Drives: 2015 Sport Tech Rep Power: 10	yes....i agree. When you are pulling out into traffic there is no way you can see far enough or gauge correctly when you have all the traffic going 45, there is no way you can judge whats happening with an incoming car going 75 weaving through the pack...the brain just cant do that while also multitasking and operating the vehicle. Some people might have caugh that with their peripheral vision (believe it or not the detection actually occurs in a DIFFERENT PART OF THE BRAIN) that is not directly connected to the conscious mind. This is meant to give us the ability to react quicker with instinct but some times it has the reverse effect...you get about a .5 second delay in reacting because you are completing complex tasks, not just physicially dodging something......however the people who would have had the capability of catching that would be professional drivers, atheletes, marksman, baseball players, maybe some of us car enthusiasts, video game players etc. A mom in a mini van....no, she would not have had the capacity. Anyone with ANY distraction in the car also would not have had the capacity to detect it. Fault is clearly the white z....but its also just bad luck. She was speeding a little and just happen to come upon the wrong intersection at the wrong time...at precisly the time she was also being a dumb *** and operating a cell phone.....you play with stupid...you get burned. DIGItonium likes this. Last edited by Allentown; 07-23-2015 at 05:49 PM.

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07-18-2015, 10:55 PM	#92 (permalink)
Jimbo370 Enthusiast Member Join Date: Jan 2014 Location: Florida Posts: 466 Drives: 09 black 370z MT Rep Power: 11	wow, I just got back from Harlingen 2 days ago. I was eating at Luby's on sunset strip hwy & can verify there are bad drivers down there. Their cars are not maintained, riding on donuts at 40mph in 60 zones and they basically have suicide middle lanes in the streets. My dad was almost killed in the nearby town of san Benito, Tx. He was mad driving at high rate of speed near town with palm tree islands and a semi pulls out. The car became a 57 ford convertible. He jumped to the floor board and saved his head. be careful out there.

07-20-2015, 10:44 AM	#98 (permalink)
geddy lee Base Member Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: delaware Posts: 161 Drives: 350Z Rep Power: 13	Here in Delaware it is illegal to be talking on a hand held cell phone when driving but, I still see it everyday. When I see someone run a stop sign, CELLPHONE. When I am behind someone, the light turns green and they just sit there, CELLPHONE. When I am on the highway and the person in front of me is swerving back and forth, CELLPHONE and the worst one is when I am driving the back roads having some fun and the oncoming car starts to drift into my lane, F--KING CELLPHONE. I don't put up with it anymore. If I see someone talking while driving I will honk the horn , flash my H-beams and if possible pull up next to them and tell them they are breaking the law and putting people in danger. I have had it with this s--T.

07-20-2015, 10:54 AM	#99 (permalink)
kenchan A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: N/A Posts: 76,801 Drives: N/A Rep Power: 141521	A few years back I counted the number of drivers with a celphone in their hand while waiting at the light. I saw 7 out of 10 on average. These days less people drive with their handset in their hand because of the new rule (law?) in our state and a lot of modern cars now offer hands-free as standard feature.

07-20-2015, 10:55 AM	#100 (permalink)
kenchan A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: N/A Posts: 76,801 Drives: N/A Rep Power: 141521	...but i still see stupid accidents.