Has anyone noticed this?

Red370 · 10-25-2009, 02:09 AM

Camaros are starting to be the new Mustangs? These things are turning up EVERYWHERE now, makes me glad I didnt go with the Camaro and got the Z instead, I've seen maybe 3 in the city since i've had mine, i've already seen 15 Camaros today. Funny thing though, not one attempted to rev on me, shocking really. Guess they know whats up.

dalparadise · 10-25-2009, 04:38 AM

What's up is that a Camaro SS will spank a Z handily in acceleration.

The melt-your-tires-at-every-stoplight crowd has their icon back. The Z was never meant to roll with them. We should be glad they're not acting like jerks, at least not where you are, it seems.

Greg · 10-25-2009, 06:59 AM

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Originally Posted by dalparadise

We should be glad they're not acting like jerks, at least not where you are, it seems.

Give it time..Esp when they start hitting the used market.

JoeD · 10-25-2009, 04:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Red370

Guess they know whats up.

Really? You do know that a Camaro SS will crap all over you in any contest of speed, right? Just making sure, in case you forgot the smiley after the sentence to denote sarcasm. LOL, oh yeah...they'll beat you a road-course, too.

Still, not a huge fan of the Camaro. It's a good car all around at a great value, but a sports-car it is not. And, yes...they are more common than the Z, but that's partially due to the wider range in price from base V6 to fully-loaded SS.

Matt · 10-25-2009, 06:09 AM

There will be 3 2SS Camaros and 2 GT Premium Mustangs by the end of the year in the parking lot at my job. I still have the only 370z. (there is an 81 280Z).

The camaro guys are talking trash, sure. They have over 420 HP and lbs/ft torque!!! Between traffic lights, I'm sure they'll get me unless they don't know how to drive.

Those guys throw out the following all the time at work:

- They paid less for a fully loaded 2SS than my Nismo.
- They have a back seat.
- They get better gas mileage (um...no)
- They are faster.

Usually the only comeback I need is, "Yeah, but I have a Z."

Pharmacist · 10-25-2009, 08:04 AM

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Originally Posted by JoeD

Really? You do know that a Camaro SS will crap all over you in any contest of speed, right? Just making sure, in case you forgot the smiley after the sentence to denote sarcasm. LOL, oh yeah...they'll beat you a road-course, too.

What are you smoking? In a straight line, they might have a small edge, which they should considering that overbloated engine in them. But a road course? You kidding? Nothing on the lower end of a cayman s can hang to the z on a track.

370Zsteve · 10-25-2009, 09:59 AM

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Originally Posted by JoeD

Really? You do know that a Camaro SS will crap all over you in any contest of speed, right? Just making sure, in case you forgot the smiley after the sentence to denote sarcasm. LOL, oh yeah...they'll beat you a road-course, too.

Still, not a huge fan of the Camaro. It's a good car all around at a great value, but a sports-car it is not. And, yes...they are more common than the Z, but that's partially due to the wider range in price from base V6 to fully-loaded SS.

"a sports car it is not", as you say. So why say i the same breath that it will beat a 370Z on a road course? Makes no sense.

From Car & Driver:

"Although looking over the long, beveled hood (of the SS) is a view every muscle-car fan will relish, the low roof, high waistline, and wall-like rear pillars make the car drive big (not good for twisty two-lanes), a complaint we also level at the Challenger.

And these specs tell me a competent driver in a 370Z on a road course will "crap all over" a Camaro SS:

Camaro SS	Manual	Automatic
Acceleration
0-60 mph	4.8 sec	4.9 sec
0-100 mph	10.8 sec	11.1 sec
0-120	15.4 sec	16.3 sec
0-140 mph	21.7 sec	24.8 sec
0-150 mph	26.2 sec	--
mile	13.3 sec @ 111 mph	13.4 sec @ 109 mph
30-70 mph passing	6.3 sec	6.2 sec
Peak g	0.63 g	0.69 g
Braking
70-0 mph	149 ft	153 ft
Peak g	1.12	1.1
Cornering
L	0.94 g	--
R	0.93 g	--
Weight
Curb Weight	3859 lbs	3896 lbs
Distribution (percent f/r)	52.2/ 47.8	52.3/47.7
Speed in Gears
1st	52 mph	38 mph
2nd	76 mph	64 mph
3rd	110 mph	99 mph
4th	157 mph (limited)	131 mph
5th	157 mph (limited)	157 mph (limited)
6th	140 mph	140 mph

JoeD · 10-25-2009, 03:58 PM

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Originally Posted by 370Zsteve

"a sports car it is not", as you say. So why say i the same breath that it will beat a 370Z on a road course? Makes no sense.

Huh? How doesn't it make sense..there are many non sports-cars that will beat sports-cars around a track. I fail to see how you can't make that connection.

Outright performance has nothing to do with a car's classification as a "sports-car". The Camaro is not a sports-car. The Z is.

kannibul · 10-25-2009, 05:39 PM

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Originally Posted by 370Zsteve

"a sports car it is not", as you say. So why say i the same breath that it will beat a 370Z on a road course? Makes no sense.

From Car & Driver:

"Although looking over the long, beveled hood (of the SS) is a view every muscle-car fan will relish, the low roof, high waistline, and wall-like rear pillars make the car drive big (not good for twisty two-lanes), a complaint we also level at the Challenger.

And these specs tell me a competent driver in a 370Z on a road course will "crap all over" a Camaro SS:

Camaro SS	Manual	Automatic
Acceleration
0-60 mph	4.8 sec	4.9 sec
0-100 mph	10.8 sec	11.1 sec
0-120	15.4 sec	16.3 sec
0-140 mph	21.7 sec	24.8 sec
0-150 mph	26.2 sec	--
mile	13.3 sec @ 111 mph	13.4 sec @ 109 mph
30-70 mph passing	6.3 sec	6.2 sec
Peak g	0.63 g	0.69 g
Braking
70-0 mph	149 ft	153 ft
Peak g	1.12	1.1
Cornering
L	0.94 g	--
R	0.93 g	--
Weight
Curb Weight	3859 lbs	3896 lbs
Distribution (percent f/r)	52.2/ 47.8	52.3/47.7
Speed in Gears
1st	52 mph	38 mph
2nd	76 mph	64 mph
3rd	110 mph	99 mph
4th	157 mph (limited)	131 mph
5th	157 mph (limited)	157 mph (limited)
6th	140 mph	140 mph

6th gear slower? is it just too tall of an overdrive? (to get better gas mileage, I assume?)

shabarivas · 10-25-2009, 10:36 AM

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Originally Posted by JoeD

Really? You do know that a Camaro SS will crap all over you in any contest of speed, right? Just making sure, in case you forgot the smiley after the sentence to denote sarcasm. LOL, oh yeah...they'll beat you a road-course, too.

Still, not a huge fan of the Camaro. It's a good car all around at a great value, but a sports-car it is not. And, yes...they are more common than the Z, but that's partially due to the wider range in price from base V6 to fully-loaded SS.

Road course? you mean a straight line? I hope you mean a straight line...

Red370 · 10-25-2009, 11:26 AM

Gentlemen, I didnt start this thread to begin a flame war, It was an observation and I was curious to know if anyone had seen the same things.

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Originally Posted by JoeD

Really? You do know that a Camaro SS will crap all over you in any contest of speed, right? Just making sure, in case you forgot the smiley after the sentence to denote sarcasm. LOL, oh yeah...they'll beat you a road-course, too.

Surely you're joking... You DO realize the SS's curb weight is 3800 lbs right? Sounds like youre doing some magazine racing yourself. So far i've seen one get beat by a stock turbo Cobalt SS, and a slightly modded SRT-4 at the track. All that power is fine, but when you're smoking your tires through 3rd, you're not going to win races. And on a road course? your on crack bro. And I never eluded to my car being faster by saying "I guess he knows whats up", the fact is, the Z is more refined, far better looking, and with even drivers, can keep up.

m4a1mustang · 10-25-2009, 11:34 AM

All of this hypothetical crap is annoying. People are quick to dismiss the capabilities of Mustangs and Camaros around a road track... they're too heavy, they're old tech, they won't handle...

Yes, they are heavy. Yes, they are (or were) old tech. But have you ever seen one driven in anger? They may not have the technological advantages but they aren't to be taken lightly.

And the drag racing stuff is BS, too. Driver competence is half the battle. There are plenty of guys here that couldn't even muster a 14 second pass at sea level in a 6MT if their lives depended on it. And somewhere, some kid in a Scion tC that saw a 370 pass at 14.7 is talking about how his bro with an I/E tC can keep up with any 370 because they barely break into the 14s yo!

theDreamer · 10-25-2009, 11:44 AM

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang

All of this hypothetical crap is annoying. People are quick to dismiss the capabilities of Mustangs and Camaros around a road track... they're too heavy, they're old tech, they won't handle...

Yes, they are heavy. Yes, they are (or were) old tech. But have you ever seen one driven in anger? They may not have the technological advantages but they aren't to be taken lightly.

And the drag racing stuff is BS, too. Driver competence is half the battle. There are plenty of guys here that couldn't even muster a 14 second pass at sea level in a 6MT if their lives depended on it. And somewhere, some kid in a Scion tC that saw a 370 pass at 14.7 is talking about how his bro with an I/E tC can keep up with any 370 because they barely break into the 14s yo!

There are also way more variables than just driver variables, one reason I hate comparing person X v. person Y in different locations. Just because someone ran a 14 does not mean he is slow or does not know how to drive.

Also, mustangs are very capable track cars stock and have a nice upgrade from factory to push them even better.

370Zsteve · 10-25-2009, 04:21 PM

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang

All of this hypothetical crap is annoying. People are quick to dismiss the capabilities of Mustangs and Camaros around a road track... they're too heavy, they're old tech, they won't handle...

Yes, they are heavy. Yes, they are (or were) old tech. But have you ever seen one driven in anger? They may not have the technological advantages but they aren't to be taken lightly.

And the drag racing stuff is BS, too. Driver competence is half the battle. There are plenty of guys here that couldn't even muster a 14 second pass at sea level in a 6MT if their lives depended on it. And somewhere, some kid in a Scion tC that saw a 370 pass at 14.7 is talking about how his bro with an I/E tC can keep up with any 370 because they barely break into the 14s yo!

+1

370Zsteve · 10-25-2009, 04:23 PM

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I'm seeing Camaros everywhere. But not one SS

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Red370 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Kaiserslautern, Germany Posts: 4,391 Drives: your mom to church Rep Power: 296	Has anyone noticed this? Camaros are starting to be the new Mustangs? These things are turning up EVERYWHERE now, makes me glad I didnt go with the Camaro and got the Z instead, I've seen maybe 3 in the city since i've had mine, i've already seen 15 Camaros today. Funny thing though, not one attempted to rev on me, shocking really. Guess they know whats up. __________________ 2011 Mustang 5.0 \| 3.55's \| Lethal Performance off road H-Pipe \| Magnaflow Muffler Delete \| JLT CAI/Bama tuned 417whp/ 404 ft/lbs

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m4a1mustang A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Northern VA Posts: 55,385 Drives: on two wheels Rep Power: 6963	All of this hypothetical crap is annoying. People are quick to dismiss the capabilities of Mustangs and Camaros around a road track... they're too heavy, they're old tech, they won't handle... Yes, they are heavy. Yes, they are (or were) old tech. But have you ever seen one driven in anger? They may not have the technological advantages but they aren't to be taken lightly. And the drag racing stuff is BS, too. Driver competence is half the battle. There are plenty of guys here that couldn't even muster a 14 second pass at sea level in a 6MT if their lives depended on it. And somewhere, some kid in a Scion tC that saw a 370 pass at 14.7 is talking about how his bro with an I/E tC can keep up with any 370 because they barely break into the 14s yo! __________________ - Steve Zs & Coffee - Saturdays at 10AM in Fairfax, VA and Columbia, MD (Click the banner!) LIKE us on Facebook!

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370Zsteve A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Gold Coast CT Posts: 10,599 Drives: 2019 Corvette G.S. Rep Power: 43	Back to TOPIC I'm seeing Camaros everywhere. But not one SS __________________ SOLD MY Z MARCH 2018 - another Core OG moves on - new ride 2019 Z Corvette Grand Sport - no mods necessary but already have eyes on HFC and intakes LOL IT NEVER ENDS.

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dalparadise The370Z.com Sponsor Join Date: May 2009 Location: Houston Posts: 354 Drives: 2010 Z Roadster T/S Rep Power: 17	What's up is that a Camaro SS will spank a Z handily in acceleration. The melt-your-tires-at-every-stoplight crowd has their icon back. The Z was never meant to roll with them. We should be glad they're not acting like jerks, at least not where you are, it seems.

10-25-2009, 06:09 AM	#5 (permalink)
Matt A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Augusta, GA Age: 42 Posts: 1,680 Drives: 2010 Avalanche LT Rep Power: 19	There will be 3 2SS Camaros and 2 GT Premium Mustangs by the end of the year in the parking lot at my job. I still have the only 370z. (there is an 81 280Z). The camaro guys are talking trash, sure. They have over 420 HP and lbs/ft torque!!! Between traffic lights, I'm sure they'll get me unless they don't know how to drive. Those guys throw out the following all the time at work: - They paid less for a fully loaded 2SS than my Nismo. - They have a back seat. - They get better gas mileage (um...no) - They are faster. Usually the only comeback I need is, "Yeah, but I have a Z."