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^^^ That's just disrespectful, lol. I feel the OP and agree with the base of his argument as I have posted a thread a few months ago saying that the

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Old 06-21-2015, 11:32 AM   #1 (permalink)
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^^^ That's just disrespectful, lol. I feel the OP and agree with the base of his argument as I have posted a thread a few months ago saying that the Z, which is an iconic sports car to me is being dummed down and placed in a market that competes with FRS/BRZ, WRX, Genesis ect. which is an all time low to me cause in the 90's its competitors were 911's, M3's, Supras, NSX, 5.0's, SS's and Vettes. All whom have excelled to a class that the Z isn't even mentioned in. Just my thoughts and this will probably get a negative response just like my thread did, but who cares, rain on.
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I sad this be4 and ill say it again " this is the last Z, there will be no more like it and vq37 is the best ull get."
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I am officially done caring until I see a concept.

That said, I highly doubt they will restructure the Z to compete with the twins. In 40+ years, every next gen Z has been faster than the last. I just don't see it.
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if they go slower, or even stagnant i am going to wander back over to German car land. love both my Z's but looks only take me so far.
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While the Z is a sharp car and all , the sport coupe market ain't what it used to be. Go to a nissan dealer and ask how many Nissan Quest or Maxima's they sell vs. a 370Z. probably 50 to 70-1,
I frequent a Nissan dealer and they have had the same Z's on the lot for several months...and it's not because people are waiting in the weeds to buy the "next" Z.
I also have an Honda product in my household...a visit there and I see the same Accord coupes sitting there collecting dust..if you talk to some maufacture heads...they'd assume get rid of the coupe market.
If Toyota thought for a second they could sell 500,000 Supra's a year , don't you think they would have it in their line-up ? although 1 is rumored to be in the makes , will not be a full Toyota..I believe BMW has their hands on it...and it will be expensive as hell and they will make 20,000 ?? good luck getting one.
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While the Z is a sharp car and all , the sport coupe market ain't what it used to be. Go to a nissan dealer and ask how many Nissan Quest or Maxima's they sell vs. a 370Z. probably 50 to 70-1,
I frequent a Nissan dealer and they have had the same Z's on the lot for several months...and it's not because people are waiting in the weeds to buy the "next" Z.
I also have an Honda product in my household...a visit there and I see the same Accord coupes sitting there collecting dust..if you talk to some maufacture heads...they'd assume get rid of the coupe market.
If Toyota thought for a second they could sell 500,000 Supra's a year , don't you think they would have it in their line-up ? although 1 is rumored to be in the makes , will not be a full Toyota..I believe BMW has their hands on it...and it will be expensive as hell and they will make 20,000 ?? good luck getting one.
Coupe market has diminished over the years...that is why there is a handful of offerings these days...
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Well said. The problem is not the technology, the issue is the market and whether it's worth Nissan's time and money. My guess is that Nissan makes very little money, if any, off the Z line. Under Renault's management, Nissan's bread and butter has become selling Altimas, Sentras and light trucks in Asian. I wouldn't be surprised at all if Nissan drops the Z line all together in lieu of an Infiniti sports car and the GTR.
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Well said. The problem is not the technology, the issue is the market and whether it's worth Nissan's time and money. My guess is that Nissan makes very little money, if any, off the Z line. Under Renault's management, Nissan's bread and butter has become selling Altimas, Sentras and light trucks in Asian. I wouldn't be surprised at all if Nissan drops the Z line all together in lieu of an Infiniti sports car and the GTR.
What most fail to see is, our Z from a mechanical standpoint, is an infiniti, parts bin car. We are on the FM platform like most infiniti's. We carry the same engine and transmission as most mass produced infiniti's. We make the shell and outsource wheels. Even the Sport brakes are infiniti carry overs with custom covers.

So how much can it really cost to build the Z. Nothing is unique in terms of parts. It's just a shortened G , M, EX and FX chassis that in total, sells over WELL OVER100,000 units annually combined. Then cars like the altima and sentra make enough money to help fund the Z's chassis customizing, track testing R&D The Z is no marvel of unique technology,. So making a sports car that only sells 5,000 units a year shouldn't be that big of a deal. It's built from bred and butter infiniti parts minus SRM and Rays wheels

That said,Nissan is full of shyt with this situation.
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Well if I don't like the next gen Z, I'm going to throw caution to the wind, cash in one of my IRA's, and buy a fully optioned Jaguar F-Type R Coupe with a 550 hp supercharged V8. I figure the stock market is going to collapse again and I might as well lose the money on car depreciation and have something totally crazy like that for a few years and enjoy it.
I just turned 60 and I will never drive a grandpa car.
wow, props to you sir on being 60. that being said, i'm going through my mid-life crisis as we speak, as i just turned 30. (wtf, where did the time go!?!?!)

and if you plan on throwing money away, feel free to throw it my way!

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What most fail to see is, our Z from a mechanical standpoint, is an infiniti, parts bin car. We are on the FM platform like most infiniti's. We carry the same engine and transmission as most mass produced infiniti's. We make the shell and outsource wheels. Even the Sport brakes are infiniti carry overs with custom covers.

So how much can it really cost to build the Z. Nothing is unique in terms of parts. It's just a shortened G , M, EX and FX chassis that in total, sells over WELL OVER100,000 units annually combined. Then cars like the altima and sentra make enough money to help fund the Z's chassis customizing, track testing R&D The Z is no marvel of unique technology,. So making a sports car that only sells 5,000 units a year shouldn't be that big of a deal. It's built from bred and butter infiniti parts minus SRM and Rays wheels

That said,Nissan is full of shyt with this situation.

Yep, our engines aren't unique to an individual car per se, but rather same engine that's tuned differently for different cars.
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While the Z is a sharp car and all , the sport coupe market ain't what it used to be. Go to a nissan dealer and ask how many Nissan Quest or Maxima's they sell vs. a 370Z. probably 50 to 70-1,
I frequent a Nissan dealer and they have had the same Z's on the lot for several months...and it's not because people are waiting in the weeds to buy the "next" Z.
I also have an Honda product in my household...a visit there and I see the same Accord coupes sitting there collecting dust..if you talk to some maufacture heads...they'd assume get rid of the coupe market.
If Toyota thought for a second they could sell 500,000 Supra's a year , don't you think they would have it in their line-up ? although 1 is rumored to be in the makes , will not be a full Toyota..I believe BMW has their hands on it...and it will be expensive as hell and they will make 20,000 ?? good luck getting one.
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how much threads i have been subscribed to see the same sh!t hahahhaa!! well here is another one I just hope Nissan made another Z someday... It would be interesting...
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Well if I don't like the next gen Z, I'm going to throw caution to the wind, cash in one of my IRA's, and buy a fully optioned Jaguar F-Type R Coupe with a 550 hp supercharged V8. I figure the stock market is going to collapse again and I might as well lose the money on car depreciation and have something totally crazy like that for a few years and enjoy it.
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Well if I don't like the next gen Z, I'm going to throw caution to the wind, cash in one of my IRA's, and buy a fully optioned Jaguar F-Type R Coupe with a 550 hp supercharged V8. I figure the stock market is going to collapse again and I might as well lose the money on car depreciation and have something totally crazy like that for a few years and enjoy it.
I just turned 60 and I will never drive a grandpa car.
Get in a Taurus old man!!!! Lol. Just kidding.
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Well if I don't like the next gen Z, I'm going to throw caution to the wind, cash in one of my IRA's, and buy a fully optioned Jaguar F-Type R Coupe with a 550 hp supercharged V8. I figure the stock market is going to collapse again and I might as well lose the money on car depreciation and have something totally crazy like that for a few years and enjoy it.
I just turned 60 and I will never drive a grandpa car.
Jaguar...one of the worst in terms of depreciation $$ in the luxury car segment...competing with Lincoln and Cadillac...if you want to loose money buy a Jag and trade it the next day...You'll loose 20-25k or more.

Good looking car though..
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Jaguar...one of the worst in terms of depreciation $$ in the luxury car segment...competing with Lincoln and Cadillac...if you want to loose money buy a Jag and trade it the next day...You'll loose 20-25k or more.

Good looking car though..
Correct when compared to a Lincoln or Cadillac. But.... the F Type is the spiritual descendant of the XKE. No comparison with anything from Ford or GM. Well, maybe in V8 horsepower but certainly not in terms of looks, style, or class. I could lose 40% overnight in another market correction, or lose 40% of the same money but drive the Jag for 5 years. I'm sorely tempted to do something that some people would deem foolish. But dammit, I'll have fun.
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