Nissan needs to do something
 

I live in MA and all i see here are mustangs so i did a little research and it kinda mad me feel sad in the process. Im not going to lie these prices for that HP is pretty tempting. Nismo really should come with a turbo version, but then again.. the cost... I just dont know how they can compete with the domestic sports cars anymore.

Here is the MSRP on a few cars.

3.7L Nismo - 350HP - $41,990
5.7L Charger R/T -370HP - $32,995
6.4L Charger R/T Scat - 485HP $39,995
5.7L Challenger R/T - 375HP - $31,495
6.4L Challenger R/T Scat - 485HP $38,495
5.0L Mustang GT - 435HP - $32,300
2.3L Ecoboost Mustang - 310HP - $29,300

Live in New Orleans, LA. I'm one out of 3 people that have a TT VQ. People pay to be different.

Pre owned boosted VQ is where it's at.

I agree. Im waiting on my TT kit from FI :)

The Z does not belong in the same category as these bloated GT type cars and sedans.

Consider the Challenger R/T which weighs in at 4,082 pounds and has 375 HP. That's a 10.88 lb/hp ratio. The Nismo at 3,350 pounds has a 9.57 ratio -- dramatically better.

You also need to consider handling, uniqueness, etc. Plus, if I am not mistaken, those other cars listed require one to develop an affinity for Old Milwaukee beer and grow a mullet.

Avoid the social stigma and stay with the Z.

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I traded in my fully loaded '12 Charger R/T for my current Z. I admit this will be my first and last Nissan. But I fully enjoy my car!

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You also have to realize when the Z came out in 09, it made more HP than most of the "muscle cars" at that time. Nissan could have done a minor power increase throughout the years, but there's only so much you can squeeze out of a N/A V6.

OMG mullet mobiles vs a nice true sportscar like the Z with two seats. Some folks need to get over living the Vin Diesel 10 sec and Im free BS 1/4m times etc. Get in the mountains or a good track and enjoy what power and handling do combined. WELL SAID ONZEDGE - POST OF THE YEAR! :bowrofl: :tup: :happydance:

Those are pigs, heavy cars that don't handle well. The Z is unique.

Same goes with the Porsche Cayman. Almost at the same HP level as the Z. But it is dramatically more expensive.

Driving to and from work everyday I see at least a dozen Mustangs, Camaros, Challengers Etc. , and when I say dozen...I mean a dozen of each

I maybe see 1 or 2 Z's each week!

If you are into driving in a straight line I would recommend one of the American cars, if you want to carve through the mountains with more than enough HP then I would recommend the Z

porque homes?

The new Camaro will probably be more of a competitor for the Z when it comes out but lets hope the new Z will be even better!

I know its hard to touch American muscle with the VQ37 but let's hope for FI!

Most horsepower for the dollar is the wrong way to shop for a sporty car.

I don't consider any of the cars on your list as 'sports cars' with exception being the Nismo. Not an appropriate comparison.

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Horsepower / LB is the way that i'd prefer to read the above chart.

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As long as you're less than 10lb / hp you should be in good hands.

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Reliability, resale value and seeing all the cars mentioned every 3 seconds is enough for me to pay extra and have less hp.

if i drove those other cars id will look like im taking a bath out in public.. :ugh:

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I would rather not see that -- ever.

i would be so embarrassed! :wtf2:

I would!!!:rofl2:

The Z's benchmark is a Porsche, not a Mustang or Camaro. It's not really intended to compete with the ponies.

The pony cars have always been about hp/$; its only recently that they've begun thinking about sportiness much beyond that.

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Until you saw it once... Then you'd never want to see it again. :ugh:

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An M1 abrams tank has 2000hp.... lets compare it to cars. :koolaidwall:

I would DD that long before any of the domestics on the list above :driving:

benjamin..? :confused:

Nope. Tony!

Except that people do make that comparison because that is what is available to compare on the streets. And the Camaro SS 1LE/Mustang GT Performance Pack are actually fairly good handlers. They are still bloated.

The Porsche Cayman has upped the anti in hp over the last several years. The new Cayman GT4 will be pushing 380 hp.

All that said, I don't care. I love the Z experience, I love the total cost of ownership, and I love the fact that I can easily do work on it.

:iagree: me too, jp. i honestly dont like the look or sound of porches anyway. im more a ferrari kinda guy if going exotic.

im not sure where people get the idea that the Z is like a cayman, unless they've never actually driven one (like them dumbarse magazine spec-racers). almost nothing similar.

Like i said... hp / weight :icon14:

YOU GO Z-GIRL AMEN!!! I now think this is the post of the year.....co shared with ONZEDGE! :):tiphat::driving:

I think the ONLY comparable car in its class on the market is the 3.8 Gen Coupe. 350hp 300 tq, RWD, back "seats" only an infant can fit in. Having owned both, the 370 is a FAR better sports car than the GC. Base 3.8 GC starts at like $27k. I got mine fully loaded with more bells and whistles Nissan can shake a stick it for $34K OTD. It's a HELL of powerful, relatively nimble "sports" car but a much better touring car.

The M1 / IPM1 version weighs 60 tons -- 120,000 pounds

That means 60 lb/hp ratio -- not so good compared to a 370Z.

This is on point. The Z isn't the most powerful, but I cannot imagine driving a Ford even if it's a little faster.

Yeah but the M1 has two guns whereas the Z has none. Did I also mention that the tank is a tank?

im sure people have guns in their z's..

I have always disliked these kind of posts because they only look at HP without consideration of target market or marketing. All those cars listed in the OP have a back seat and provide much more practicality than the Z. You can get more groceries, more kids, more chicks, and more passengers when you UBER in all those cars. That is just as big a selling point to the average customer as the HP. The Z provides very utility in comparison.

If someone is cross shopping that list and lets say the Z had as much HP as those mentioned if they have 2-3 kids the backseats will most really sway their decision.

Also as mentioned when the Z came out it's HP wasn't a crisis. It was designed to target the Cayman at the time.

There is no crisis the Z is a niche car and Nissan expects niche sales. This same kind of thinking comes from those that think Nissan should market said niche car with as many commercials as they give the Maxima and Altima. Now point me to the numbers that show how many manufacturers go on a full media blitz for their 2 door 2 seat sports cars. I have never seen tons of Chevy Corvette or Mazda Miata commercials.

If the Z worked for you when you bought it, and it works for you now - keep it and drive happy. If you prefer the Ford get one. Nissan only has to please Nissan owners.

are u like a fortune cookie writer?