Cross shopping other cars with the Z?

Dwnshift · 04-20-2015, 07:52 AM

I just picked up a '15 S3 ...
I disagree w the VW comments.

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jpkirk · 04-20-2015, 09:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Z_ealot

did somebody miss the fact that the golf R hasn't even been released here in the states yet?

Um ... yes ... I would fall in that catagory. Maybe because ...

I don't care about VW.

darkphantom · 04-20-2015, 09:36 AM

I wonder how many people commenting have even sat in or let alone driven a German car?

vs

Frankly, I don't care about what people think about - I will be spending most of the time inside the car and the Golf R is a decent looking hatch back - not as sexy as the Z, I will agree!

I guess I really need to figure out if I care about not having the syncro rev match and the fact that I will need to spend a decent amount to mod the car and get some good hp out of it.

The Z will definitely be faster stock vs stock.

Tigger · 04-20-2015, 10:07 AM

2006 Porsche Cayman S

Davey · 04-20-2015, 10:19 AM

There is no cross-shopping with the Z. There is only faster + heavier, slower + lighter, or faster + lighter + more expensive.

darkphantom · 04-20-2015, 10:28 AM

@Tigger, I am not sure about the reliability/maintenance on porsches - are they anything like BMWs or Mercedes? I've heard they are the best when it comes to German reliability, though.

ayrton88 · 04-20-2015, 10:46 AM

As a former BMW and Volkswagen owner, I will say the German engineering and reliability don't even belong in the same sentence. I put German reliabilty even lower than a domestic car. Don't get me started. I can't speak for Porsche, but a friend of mine just replaced the wiper blades on his Cayman and couldn't believe they cost over $100.

Duc_Z09 · 04-20-2015, 10:50 AM

Where do people get this idea that German cars are somehow mechanically better than insert any random manufacturer here?

All cars have problems. Aren't BMW's getting a reputation for drinking oil?

Yes, I've sat in/driven many BMW and Mercedes cars; they're OK but nothing special, certainly not worth the ***-ton of money they charge solely for the right to say you drive one. Try working on one sometime and after you buy your brand-specific tool sets and overpriced specialty parts, tell me how much better they are than everything else.

darkphantom · 04-20-2015, 10:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Duc_Z09

Where do people get this idea that German cars are somehow mechanically better than insert any random manufacturer here?

All cars have problems. Aren't BMW's getting a reputation for drinking oil?

Yes, I've sat in/driven many BMW and Mercedes cars; they're OK but nothing special, certainly not worth the ***-ton of money they charge solely for the right to say you drive one. Try working on one sometime and after you buy your brand-specific tool sets and overpriced specialty parts, tell me how much better they are than everything else.

Working on one is definitely a b!tch but any modern luxury sports car has excessive panels I guess.

Im going to test drive this Used 2012 Volkswagen Golf R For Sale | Austin TX
today and i'll come back to decide which I want.

A friend of mine just got a 370z and he says he loves it but it is quite harsh and not exactly a good DD with the sport package.

Duc_Z09 · 04-20-2015, 11:08 AM

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Originally Posted by darkphantom

A friend of mine just got a 370z and he says he loves it but it is quite harsh and not exactly a good DD with the sport package.

I'm on board with that. Those are the sacrifices you make to own a true sports-oriented car, and nobody can decide whether it's worth it except you. The only affordable, good compromise between performance and practicality that I found was the WRX STI. But IMO you sacrifice almost all of that "wow" factor to drive a regular car that just happens to also be fast...

I've got a POS lifted Grand Cherokee for winter/beater duties so I don't need to DD my NISMO anymore.

Davey · 04-20-2015, 11:35 AM

The '14 and prior NISMO is quite a bit stiffer than the Sport package. I don't find the regular Sport Package Z to be overly stiff for a DD.

Apparently the '15 NISMO is a 9/10 compared to the '09 - 14's 10/10 spring rates (speaking relatively). I'd put the Sport package at maybe a 7. It's not that stiff. IMO if you can't handle the regular Z you should stick to Cadillacs and Camrys.

Duc_Z09 · 04-20-2015, 11:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Davey

The '14 and prior NISMO is quite a bit stiffer than the Sport package. I don't find the regular Sport Package Z to be overly stiff for a DD.

Apparently the '15 NISMO is a 9/10 compared to the '09 - 14's 10/10 spring rates (speaking relatively). I'd put the Sport package at maybe a 7. It's not that stiff. IMO if you can't handle the regular Z you should stick to Cadillacs and Camrys.

Yeah I can't comment on the regular Z because I've only ever driven one (mine) and it's a NISMO. I love it but it's definitely a loud and bumpy ride.

darkphantom · 04-20-2015, 11:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Davey

The '14 and prior NISMO is quite a bit stiffer than the Sport package. I don't find the regular Sport Package Z to be overly stiff for a DD.

Apparently the '15 NISMO is a 9/10 compared to the '09 - 14's 10/10 spring rates (speaking relatively). I'd put the Sport package at maybe a 7. It's not that stiff. IMO if you can't handle the regular Z you should stick to Cadillacs and Camrys.

I didn't think the ride quality of the normal Z was bad at all but all I did was freeway driving and maybe a bit of the local road on the test drive.

I guess I won't know until I own one

Davey · 04-20-2015, 12:02 PM

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Originally Posted by darkphantom

I didn't think the ride quality of the normal Z was bad at all but all I did was freeway driving and maybe a bit of the local road on the test drive.

I guess I won't know until I own one

Not saying that to sound "manly" or anything, I just feel like the sport package Z is pretty average as far as stiffness among the performance cars I've driven. A bit of stiffness comes with the territory, so if people have issues with the Sport Z they would probably have the same issues with most other performance cars (aside from those with variable suspension tuning and such.)

kenchan · 04-20-2015, 12:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by darkphantom

Frankly, I don't care about what people think about - I will be spending most of the time inside the car and the Golf R is a decent looking hatch back - not as sexy as the Z, I will agree!

I guess I really need to figure out if I care about not having the syncro rev match and the fact that I will need to spend a decent amount to mod the car and get some good hp out of it.

The Z will definitely be faster stock vs stock.

then why post here to ask for people's opinions? go get your family station wagon and family-on

04-20-2015, 10:07 AM	#19 (permalink)
Tigger A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Mar 2013 Location: NM Posts: 8,063 Drives: Awedeeeeee Rep Power: 602	2006 Porsche Cayman S jpkirk likes this.

04-20-2015, 10:19 AM	#20 (permalink)
Davey A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: Indiana Posts: 3,766 Drives: '15 NISMO 6MT Rep Power: 117171	There is no cross-shopping with the Z. There is only faster + heavier, slower + lighter, or faster + lighter + more expensive. jpkirk and Duc_Z09 like this.

04-20-2015, 10:46 AM	#22 (permalink)
ayrton88 Enthusiast Member Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Chicago Posts: 397 Drives: 2010 Nissan 370Z Rep Power: 14	As a former BMW and Volkswagen owner, I will say the German engineering and reliability don't even belong in the same sentence. I put German reliabilty even lower than a domestic car. Don't get me started. I can't speak for Porsche, but a friend of mine just replaced the wiper blades on his Cayman and couldn't believe they cost over $100. RicerX and LAVA like this.

04-20-2015, 10:50 AM	#23 (permalink)
Duc_Z09 Track Member Join Date: Jan 2014 Location: Frederick MD Posts: 876 Drives: With the blinker on. Rep Power: 23	Where do people get this idea that German cars are somehow mechanically better than insert any random manufacturer here? All cars have problems. Aren't BMW's getting a reputation for drinking oil? Yes, I've sat in/driven many BMW and Mercedes cars; they're OK but nothing special, certainly not worth the ***-ton of money they charge solely for the right to say you drive one. Try working on one sometime and after you buy your brand-specific tool sets and overpriced specialty parts, tell me how much better they are than everything else. RicerX, BC416 and LAVA like this. __________________ 2009 370z #206 (all mods are Home Depot) 2009 Ducati 848 (full Ohlins, Termignoni, etc) 2003 Grand Cherokee (long arms, big tires, 4.56, lockers)

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04-20-2015, 11:35 AM	#26 (permalink)
Davey A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: Indiana Posts: 3,766 Drives: '15 NISMO 6MT Rep Power: 117171	The '14 and prior NISMO is quite a bit stiffer than the Sport package. I don't find the regular Sport Package Z to be overly stiff for a DD. Apparently the '15 NISMO is a 9/10 compared to the '09 - 14's 10/10 spring rates (speaking relatively). I'd put the Sport package at maybe a 7. It's not that stiff. IMO if you can't handle the regular Z you should stick to Cadillacs and Camrys.