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Zero dark 03-18-2015 11:11 PM

A quick csc failure question!
 
Csc failure came to my attention reading through the forums today and it seems pretty common. Is this something that will fail in all 370's? Im a casual driver no track or anything like that. Since its a cheap plastic i feel like its something that has become inevitable to fail on us :(. Or is it more luck of the draw that you can go 100k without it failing

DEpointfive0 03-18-2015 11:24 PM

Assume it's going to go out. Before 100k. So start saving

Zero dark 03-18-2015 11:31 PM

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Originally Posted by DEpointfive0 (Post 3142025)
Assume it's going to go out. Before 100k. So start saving

Was hoping this wasnt the case. Time to start a csc fund at 1600 miles

jaedub 03-19-2015 01:17 AM

I think it depends on how you drive the car. I personally believe it'll last a life time if you properly drive the car.

DEpointfive0 03-19-2015 02:05 AM

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Originally Posted by jaedub (Post 3142051)
I think it depends on how you drive the car. I personally believe it'll last a life time if you properly drive the car.

I guess, but only a few careless shifts, actually with it's crap design I bet ONE "careless" shift where you mash the clutch pedal to the floor will start the CSC on a downward spiral, leading it to give out.

OP, might want to make that a $2000-3000 fund. You might as well change the clutch and flywheel while you're at it.

ilovegirls 03-19-2015 04:03 AM

I'm at 51k and my csc went out last night.

njobe89 03-19-2015 10:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DEpointfive0 (Post 3142055)
I guess, but only a few careless shifts, actually with it's crap design I bet ONE "careless" shift where you mash the clutch pedal to the floor will start the CSC on a downward spiral, leading it to give out.

OP, might want to make that a $2000-3000 fund. You might as well change the clutch and flywheel while you're at it.

what if it goes out at 15k, the clutch and flywheel would still be pretty much new
Quote:

Originally Posted by ilovegirls (Post 3142068)
I'm at 51k and my csc went out last night.

at least you love girls

FairladyZ10PG 03-19-2015 11:39 AM

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Originally Posted by jaedub (Post 3142051)
I think it depends on how you drive the car. I personally believe it'll last a life time if you properly drive the car.

I think that term is very relative

some will say the only proper way to drive the car is to drive hard (z=sports car) :eekdance:

& some will say driving miss daisy is proper :driving:

so which one is it that you're referring to? :rofl2:

Davey 03-19-2015 11:50 AM

My theory is that rapidly pressing the clutch is what kills it, so I don't think I'll have a problem for quite a while.

If I can't get it replaced under warranty, I'll definitely have a lightweight flywheel installed at the same time.

4TthAnnyZ 03-19-2015 11:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ilovegirls (Post 3142068)
I'm at 51k and my csc went out last night.

Im at 52,150 and mine still seems fine. *knock on wood*

Shotta 03-19-2015 12:03 PM

If you invest a couple of hundred dollars into the RJM clutch pedal assembly you might extend the life of the csc or possibly eliminate the failure all together. Not my claims, just info based on the postings of the pedal assembly manufacturer.

Zero dark 03-19-2015 01:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shotta (Post 3142512)
If you invest a couple of hundred dollars into the RJM clutch pedal assembly you might extend the life of the csc or possibly eliminate the failure all together. Not my claims, just info based on the postings of the pedal assembly manufacturer.

Elaborate. Clutch mechanic noob here:rolleyes:

Driftomodachi 03-19-2015 01:35 PM

I initiate drifts by clutch kicking all day long . Think I'm in danger of having CSC failure?

Davey 03-19-2015 02:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Driftomodachi (Post 3142609)
I initiate drifts by clutch kicking all day long . Think I'm in danger of having CSC failure?

:icon18:

Nah, you'll total the car way before the CSC fails.

On topic: It's kind of looking like we need a CSC failure sub-forum lately. :ugh2:

nis350 03-19-2015 04:38 PM

I doubt that's the cause of the csc failure unless you were feathering the clutch on every shift, then the clutch disc will likely to be worn out before the csc. I suspect that the main causes are excessive heat and poor material of the rubber seals.

Cars with external csc would normally last much longer.

[QUOTE=Davey;3142501]My theory is that rapidly pressing the clutch is what kills it/QUOTE]

Davey 03-19-2015 04:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nis350 (Post 3142836)
I doubt that's the cause of the csc failure unless you were feathering the clutch on every shift, then the clutch disc will likely to be worn out before the csc. I suspect that the main causes are excessive heat and poor material of the rubber seals.

Cars with external csc would normally last much longer.

The seals fail, I think partly because of the cheesy thin plastic and high pressure causing the part to flex. I'm pretty sure stomping the clutch to the floor on every shift is going to cause the seals to fail prematurely, but I'm not a mechanic.

Shotta 03-19-2015 07:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zero dark (Post 3142572)
Elaborate. Clutch mechanic noob here:rolleyes:

Unfortunately I can't because I don't know the exact reason but something to do with shorter stroke of the shaft between the clutch pedal and csc. If I find the thread where I saw the information I will post the link. He claims no one has had a failure after installing his pedal kit, I have no reason to not believe the claim. I have the pedal kit installed and so far so good at 70,000 kms.

Post #125 of the "Review: RJM AFP Clutch Pedal System" thread in the engine & drivetrain section has the explaination. Sorry I couldn't do a link back, I'm forum illiterate.

Driftomodachi 03-19-2015 08:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Davey (Post 3142689)
:icon18:

Nah, you'll total the car way before the CSC fails.

On topic: It's kind of looking like we need a CSC failure sub-forum lately. :ugh2:

Nope, you'll total your car before I crash mine lol

Z-Girl 12 03-19-2015 09:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ilovegirls (Post 3142068)
I'm at 51k and my csc went out last night.

Crrrraaapppp :shakes head:

Davey 03-20-2015 06:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Driftomodachi (Post 3142988)
Nope, you'll total your car before I crash mine lol

:icon18:

Challenge: Accepted :tup:

kenchan 03-20-2015 07:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zero dark (Post 3142019)
Csc failure came to my attention reading through the forums today and it seems pretty common. Is this something that will fail in all 370's? Im a casual driver no track or anything like that. Since its a cheap plastic i feel like its something that has become inevitable to fail on us :(. Or is it more luck of the draw that you can go 100k without it failing

if ure easy on it, im sure it can last 100K.

i would stay away from rapid pumping of the clutch even while doing the ranger method. my clutch started to squeak after the 2nd cycle. once it cooled down (?) no more noise. felt the same throughout though, and no loss off fluid.

personally im not worried at all.


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