Shockingly Negative 370z Review/Comments!

FL370 · 10-11-2009, 06:37 AM

MUST Read!

The comments by readers are the most surprising & ridiculous part.

bigaudiofanat · 10-11-2009, 07:59 AM

Tisk tisk I think he did that because he can not afford one.

cptspeed · 10-11-2009, 09:00 AM

What a dueche! I won't even grace him with a rebuttal.

kenchan · 10-11-2009, 09:10 AM

I don't completely disagree with the review.

The reason why I got the Base 6MT with Sport package on the first place. I kinda understood the limitations of the Nismo and touring (especially the AT) and all the electronics so I opted not to get those and just concentrated on the basics.

I'm very happy with the purchase so far.

Pharmacist · 10-11-2009, 09:31 AM

Funny thing is he never actually talked about acceleration, braking, handling, cornering grip. You know, the stuff that makes driving a car DRIVING it. He rants about ipod connectivity, bluetooth, audio controls. He is also upset that it can't accelerate as fast as an s5, but dont the s5 come with a 4.2l v8? Besides, the s5 supposedly does 0-60 in 4.5s and 1/4 mile in 13.1s. Roughly the same numbers as the z

xfrgtr · 10-11-2009, 10:22 AM

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Originally Posted by kenchan

I don't completely disagree with the review.

The reason why I got the Base 6MT with Sport package on the first place. I kinda understood the limitations of the Nismo and touring (especially the AT) and all the electronics so I opted not to get those and just concentrated on the basics.

I'm very happy with the purchase so far.

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Modshack · 10-11-2009, 10:30 AM

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Originally Posted by FL370

MUST Read!

The comments by readers are the most surprising & ridiculous part.

You guys are really insecure......But maybe if you drove a Z you'd understand some of the points the reviewer and responders were making..

RatedZ · 10-11-2009, 11:16 AM

Now, this is where I completely rip apart this guy's retarded review.

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Originally Posted by The Idiot

The “Z-car” has been with us now for forty years, but let’s be honest: most of those years were fairly disappointing. The original 240Z was a fabulous car that richly deserves its place in history, and the 1990 300ZX Turbo was a singular statement of high-speed style, but the story of the Z is too often a story of bloat, questionable visuals, and dismal V-6 engines. So it was with the 2003 350Z. As with Volkswagen’s New Beetle, adapting show-car style to an oversized platform-variant production model took a horrible aesthetic toll. The interior was dismal and the driving experience was too clearly that of a short-wheelbase G35. A ten-minute test drive six years ago was all I needed to cross the porky Zed off my personal list permanently, and not even the rather stunning-looking Nismo run-out model was sufficient incentive to change my position on the matter.

So now we have a new Z, offering a tidier packaging job and yet more power from the ever-swelling VQ engine. Is it enough? The first impressions are encouraging. The 2003 car had too much Audi TT in the styling, which is another way of saying it had too much Porsche 911 in the styling. This one’s far better, even considering the unfortunate headlamp treatment. It’s smaller, which is always good, and it’s supposedly a bit lighter. Most importantly, it seems to be thoroughly differentiated from its Infiniti cousins. Any G35 owner could sit in a Z and play the old game of “spot the hard points” on the dashboard. That game’s tougher now, and playing it is more pleasant thanks to a higher-quality interior with smaller panel gaps.

Our test vehicle featured a seven-speed automatic transmission operated by column-mounted paddle shifters. This is the Wrong Way To Do It; not only does placing the paddles on the column implicitly encourage the utterly reprehensible practice of shuffle-steering, it makes it impossible to immediately operate the transmission during high-speed driving. Drivers who manage to find the correct paddle will be rewarded with a rev-matched downshift and swift engagement, but there’s simply no compelling reason to choose an automatic Z.

This strikes me as...funny. The Ferraris have column-mounted paddles. Why? So when you're in a corner, your hands don't make the mistake of either downshifting or upshifting the wrong paddle when the steering wheel is upside-down. My wife has an Audi A3 with the DSG, and it has steering-wheel mounted paddles. Talk about confusion!

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Originally Posted by The Idiot

As always, the horses to be found inside a Nissan VQ engine seem to be just a tiny bit smaller than those found elsewhere. Despite a rating of 332 horsepower, this Z will not stay with my much heavier Audi S5 in a straight line. I couldn’t manage to get my Porsche 993 out of storage for this test, but I rather suspect that under most conditions it would run about even with the Z despite having sixty-two fewer theoretical ponies in the corral. Nor is the big-bore VQ engine terribly pleasant to operate; it drones on the freeway and groans under full throttle.

I'm starting to think he's never driven a 370Z, considering some of the blunt statements he made.

First off, I drove a 370Z Touring (7AT) just last week, and that car had some punch. Short on horses? Given the level of acceleration, I was inclined to believe it had more torque than the 270 ft-lb rating would lead to believe. The engine sounded pleasant, was fairly smooth (IMO), and didn't drone or groan while on the freeway. I also didn't find the "NVH" levels to be overly problematic.

He mentions an S5. How much money does an S5 cost? I haven't checked lately, but if a highly optioned S4 runs near $56,000, I'm only going to guess that an S5 costs nearly as much.

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Originally Posted by The Idiot

Turning up the stereo to mask the banal thrashing from the firewall doesn’t help matters. This thirty-six-thousand-dollar car can’t match a Ford Focus for sound quality or elegance of Bluetooth/iPod integration. It’s best to shift the transmission into seventh and enjoy the outstanding fuel economy; we averaged nearly thirty mpg over the course of a thousand or so miles. The seats are also decent, with one difficulty. Leaning back against the headrests causes their metal supports to poke out from the seatback. It’s unpleasant for passengers who wish to relax on the road despite the noise and the relatively harsh ride.

"Banal thrashing from the firewall." WHAT "banal thrashing?" Again, I noticed no such thing; things I'm inclined to pay attention to after owning an STi with no sound-deadening since March 2005.

Metal supports poking out from the seat-back? Wouldn't this be a safety hazard? One would presume so.

"Relatively harsh ride?" They must be talking about the tight suspension which doesn't lean in corners. I didn't find the ride to be battering in the least, and liked the "buttoned-down" feel of the suspension. I found the ride to be comfortable for such a focused sports car, and totally livable on a day to day basis.

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Originally Posted by The Idiot

A scheduling difficulty meant that there was no chance to track this Z. As a result, we can only guess about the car’s ultimate handling behavior. As a street car it’s pleasant and competent, skittish in the rain but offering decent feedback through the wheel in most circumstances. The quality of feedback and information for the control is sub-Boxster but better than what is found in a base C6 Corvette. In a pinch, this little two-seater can hustle pretty well.

The rest of the Z experience is straight out of the Nissan/Infiniti tool chest, from the bizarre seat adjustment to the unusual steering-wheel audio controls. If you are used to driving these cars, it will seem natural; if you’re a BMW driver, it will frustrate you for a while. The stereo in particular can be difficult to understand without resorting to the owner’s manual. Some commands, particularly those related to the Bluetooth system, can only be engaged through the voice-recognition system. Surely it is possible to do better than this in a new-for-2010 car?

The only thing I can agree on with this guy thus far is on the seat-adjustment. A telescoping steering wheel would be a HUGE welcome, but what frustrated me more was that I couldn't adjust the seat for height, and if there was such a way, I couldn't find it. I'm 5'11 and I found when looking behind me for traffic, I had to crank my head off to the side because the roof was too low to keep it straight while doing so.

"If you're a BMW driver, it will frustrate you for a while." Can anyone say, "i-Drive?" Is there a more difficult and dumb technology to be found in today's automobiles? If there is, I'd surely like to know what it is! I can't recall a Z coming with a separate "owner manual" for its "technology package," unlike the BMW which is provided with an additional "owner manual" which is over 200 pages thick for its i-Drive!

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Originally Posted by The Idiot

As a single example of the breed, this automatic-transmission, low-option 370Z is a three-star car at best, but very few buyers will take a car like this. The Z formula is much more satisfying as a loaded-up six-speed, or even as a wide-mouthed Nismo Z model. Of course, those cars are priced uncomfortably close to a base Corvette, which simply murders the Nissan on every possible performance benchmark and isn’t really that far off on interior charm and feature count. Don’t forget, too, that the 370Z has already earned a reputation for on-track fragility thanks to inadequate cooling.

I found the 7AT to be a pretty decent transmission. I wish I hadn't "forgotten" that the paddles were available while on the portion of my test drive through the back roads. I guess I'll have to take another drive.

I didn't run into any cooling issues, but my drive wasn't overly "spirited" most of the time. However, many people have reported this issue, so I'm forced to agree with them.

[]quote=The Idiot[/i]Since Z buyers aren’t really Vette buyers, however, this sort of thing won’t matter. Instead of comparing the Z to Chevrolet’s V-8 plastic supercar, they’ll revel in the Nissan’s aesthetic and mechanical superiority to competitors like the Genesis Coupe and Mitsubishi Eclipse. The interior may not be Audi quality, but it beats the old model hands-down. It’s priced fairly and it’s faster than an Evolution in a straight line. If the 370Z fails to touch true greatness, it also fails to truly disappoint.[/quote]

It's a good thing this guy just shut up while he was behind. He was looking dumber by the minute.

370Zsteve · 10-11-2009, 11:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Modshack

You guys are really insecure......But maybe if you drove a Z you'd understand some of the points the reviewer and responders were making..

+1

StLRedrider · 10-11-2009, 11:33 AM

+2^^

kannibul · 10-11-2009, 12:04 PM

The only thing I look for in a review is....well, nothing...

RatedZ · 10-11-2009, 12:23 PM

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Originally Posted by kannibul

The only thing I look for in a review is....well, nothing...

That's pretty much the way I feel about it. I just go out and drive a car for myself. I might use a magazine as a "guideline," but I surely don't bank on their word for how a vehicle performs.

cptspeed · 10-11-2009, 12:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Modshack

You guys are really insecure......But maybe if you drove a Z you'd understand some of the points the reviewer and responders were making..

Not insecure. I just love my car. When I test drove the car,after owning a 350, I knew I was gonna buy one. There wasn't another car to consider. I don't have corvette money. I can't afford thousands in mods and think the decision to buy one is a no brainer. I wanted a 6 speed, but my wife got tired of shifting the 350 and convinced me to buy the auto. I drive a sports car and want to be reminded that I own one. If comfort is what someone wants, buy a pos caddy.

Nikon FM · 10-11-2009, 12:35 PM

"A scheduling difficulty meant that there was no chance to track this Z."

I guess the guy had a bad attitude because he couldn't enjoy the car where it shines? Usually a schedule can clear if one plans carefully and has a big enough name. This guy just wants attention.

A couple points were valid...no big deal.

Modshack · 10-11-2009, 12:52 PM

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Originally Posted by cptspeed

Not insecure. I just love my car. When I test drove the car,after owning a 350, I knew I was gonna buy one. There wasn't another car to consider. I don't have corvette money. I can't afford thousands in mods and think the decision to buy one is a no brainer. I wanted a 6 speed, but my wife got tired of shifting the 350 and convinced me to buy the auto. I drive a sports car and want to be reminded that I own one. If comfort is what someone wants, buy a pos caddy.

Well...I wasn't referring to you. Just the curiosity of guys who don't own Z's commenting on reviews like this. I suppose they're Wannabees and have it in their head that it's the perfect car, above all criticism. Nothing wrong with that, it's just not totally realistic. Everyone has opinions based on their background. The reviewer expressed his (note that he owns a 993 Porsche).
I'll be the first to tell you the car is VERY, VERY good and a remarkable bang for the buck. I sold an '08 Corvette to buy one. I also don't pretend it has no faults. Every car does to some extent when you start picking nits like most reviewers do...

10-11-2009, 06:37 AM	#1 (permalink)
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Nikon FM Track Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Snoqualmie WA Posts: 973 Drives: 03 996TT Porsche Rep Power: 606	"A scheduling difficulty meant that there was no chance to track this Z." I guess the guy had a bad attitude because he couldn't enjoy the car where it shines? Usually a schedule can clear if one plans carefully and has a big enough name. This guy just wants attention. A couple points were valid...no big deal. __________________ Buddy Revell: "One man's sooner is another man's later"

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cptspeed Track Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: tampa Posts: 799 Drives: 09 370z Rep Power: 17	What a dueche! I won't even grace him with a rebuttal.

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kenchan A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: N/A Posts: 76,801 Drives: N/A Rep Power: 141521	I don't completely disagree with the review. The reason why I got the Base 6MT with Sport package on the first place. I kinda understood the limitations of the Nismo and touring (especially the AT) and all the electronics so I opted not to get those and just concentrated on the basics. I'm very happy with the purchase so far.

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Pharmacist A True Z Fanatic Join Date: May 2009 Location: Toronto, Ontario Posts: 1,249 Drives: 09 370z Sport 6MT Rep Power: 18	Funny thing is he never actually talked about acceleration, braking, handling, cornering grip. You know, the stuff that makes driving a car DRIVING it. He rants about ipod connectivity, bluetooth, audio controls. He is also upset that it can't accelerate as fast as an s5, but dont the s5 come with a 4.2l v8? Besides, the s5 supposedly does 0-60 in 4.5s and 1/4 mile in 13.1s. Roughly the same numbers as the z

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kannibul A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Jenks, OK Posts: 2,281 Drives: 370z Touring/Sport Rep Power: 267	The only thing I look for in a review is....well, nothing...