Unsafe?
 

So I dont know if this has been discussed before or not, but ive been here a good while and havent seen it. But as im sure 99% of you are well aware, the 350Z was..... pretty much the most unsafe sports car ever produced, ever. If you didnt, please do a little research.

That being said, why is it when I enquire information from the IIHS, safecar, or even nissan themselves non give clear and concise answers as to what the safety ratings on the 370z are? This has me quite concerned! rightfully so I believe. The 370 is built on a "revised" version of........ the exact same thing, lets not kid ourselves.

Im aware the 370 has several new features on the inside of the cabin to help, such as airbags for every possible place on your body........ but if its anything like the guaranteed 100% to kill you death trap 350z they wont really amount to anything useful aside from helping soak up some of the blood i guess.

Has anyone found any viable, credible information about this? is anyone concerned? has anyone gotten killed in a 370 yet? "would like to see per million manufactured numbers" we are the community, we all drive this car, our wifes, our kids drive this car. This is something I think someone needs to find out. Would do it myself if i even knew where to start digging. Its been 6 years, I think thats 6 years too long to go without releasing info. Seems like they want to hide it to me.

also, unrelated.... but this made me lul. http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/...mo_first_test/
new nismo is worse than the old one in literally every single category. This will be the last nissan I ever own in my entire life. Might add a desperate price drop on the sale of my car now that I know it will probably kill me soon.

Whhaaatttt ......

Are you serious or is this a pi55-take ...............

It really does not matter what car you are in when you are in a major accident... If the (delta V) Is to high you are dead... There is litteraly a million things that can kill you in a traffic accident... And it does not matter what "safety" rating the car has... Every car in the U.S. has to meet a standerd safety rating in order for it to be legal. Bottom line SPEED KILLS...

This post gave me cancer. I can't imagine a state of mind where I would type of this non sense.

Chii, you should sell immediately. I got rid of my death trap when I found out how shitty it was compared to everything else. Im going to a tC since i read an article saying how well it handled and how cheap they are compared to other sports cars.

Unfortunately, now that the cat is out of the bag, your trade in value has plummeted.

So I know a guy with a 40th who happens to be car shopping for a second 370Z. I tried talking sense into him, but he wouldn't listen to reason. PM me when you're ready to sell. He said 15K will work.

Hmmmm he's Right......

3AM drunk posting at its finest.

Speed has never killed anyone... its suddenly becoming stationary, that's what gets you -Jeremy Clarkson ;)

LOl... yes speed has not killed anyone... its the other forces that can come into play when at high speed... I.E. dumb *** old person pulling out in front of you, Deer, tire blowout, Ice, ECT... lol..

I agree. It totally collaborates with the fact that: "Falling doesn't kill. It's the sudden stop."

Amen :tup::tup::tup::tup:

Dude... even in a damn Porsche you can kill your self :icon14: i dont understand your issue.....:shakes head:

To quickly answer your questions:
-Yes, someone has died while driving their Z.
-And not all cars are required to be safety rated, usually they take a sample of new cars and rate them. The EPA for MPG do the same thing, they pick & choose cars, so many times car manufactures can just claim whatever safety or MPG they want, until it gets challenged. Good example of this was Ford recently who had to adjust many of its cars MPG ratings.

And hyundai too, they had to pay a fine for false MPG claims

Why not just sell it? Even if you loose a good amount of money just sell it and be happy that its gone. Nobody is forcing you to keep it? I already made a game plan if for whatever reason money becomes though and I cannot afford my car I will just sell it and pay the difference off and be done with it.

I got it.... I got a car that has a top notch safety rating... It will keep you *** safe!!!

Yeah my sister has one and she gets a yearly check from Hyundai because they mislead her on the mpg. haha

Yea, I would not call it unsafe from personal experience. I will include the 350 too. Had a friend roll his several times and he had to crawl out of it. All he had was a small scratch on his hand. In my last 370, i had someone pull out in front of me at speed, crushed the front but the cabin was 100% intact and I was perfectly fine.

Chii, I'll answer you legitly.

The reports saying the 350Z are the most unsafe car are very biased/written shitty.

Based on the crashes I have seen on this site like mdxj said, the 370Z is an exceptionally safe car

I will say its also a matter of luck. You can hit steering wheel and get internal bleeding and die.

I for instance had multiple motorcycle accidents, 1 was at 85 mph and another was 75mph when I flew into the back of a car.

Both accidents I got up and walked away from. A little scuff and body very sore from impact but very lucky in both situations esp to be alive.

I am new to this car so my opinion is very uneducated so I don't know anything about safety. I would love to see some of those numbers but honestly it wouldn't really matter to me. Obviously if its for sale it must have passed some safety regulations, and I still enjoy the car so its whatever.

It sucks you aren't s fond of your purchase, hopefully you can find a person to buy it soon, sucks playing the waiting game :(

Stay on topic!

Anymore personal attacks will result in removal from the forum without notice! :ugh2:

:angry: all my good posts got deleted. those were all valuable knowledge for people trips.

you never let me have any fun anymore. there goes your xmas gift lol

1. Maybe take some of your own advice?

2. Safety is a matter of perspective. I drove an '04 Wrangler followed by a '95 Cherokee for a few years before my Z. My 370Z is light years ahead of either of these cars. A wreck can kill no matter what you drive. Not many cars on the street can avoid a wreck as well as a Z (or any competent sports car with powerful brakes/sticky tires and an attentive driver behind the wheel).

Sure, of you run a Z nose first into a semi going 90mph, you won't be walking away in 1 piece. But even the safest car is going to have situations that physics can't ignore. On the flip side, how hard is it to roll a Z vs. a full-size pickup with an autozone block lift and mud tires? Which one will stop on a dime? Around here the lifted truck market dwarfs the sports car market by an impressive margin.

So is the Z really a dangerous car to own? All I can say is I survived wrecks in plenty of other "death traps" by comparison, and my Z has yet to lose any suspension bits or random bolts while driving.

Button Pusher! :icon17:

i did nothing of the sort this time.

just let another member hang themself with their own words.

i just guided them on how to tie the noose.

:tiphat:

Do you mean this...?

Top 20 Most Dangerous Vehicles - Forbes

Lots of sports cars have dodgy crash test ratings. There's always Volvos...

I'm not a "Forbes" kind of guy but the idea that much of the death rate is due to the typical drivers rather than the lack of safety inherent in the car's design is undoubtedly a major factor if not the sole one.

If it makes you feel any better, I personally crashed a 370Z, ripped off the front axle, and banged up the rear frame -- airbags deployed, and totally without injury, other than a minor bruise from the seatbelt.

As a rule-of-thumb, the larger the car, the safer you are in a wreck. So, yeah, a 370Z is probably not as safe as a Lincoln Town Car in a wreck. But with the Z - a smaller, nimbler vehicle - you are more able to avoid the wreck in the first place.

I hit a tree hard enough to knock the right front tire/brake/suspension off my '09 Z and my only injury was a small burn to my hand from the air bag. The car did more damage to me than the tree did. ;)

+1

Very true. It is the car with the most deaths. Due to what? I have no idea.

My thoughts would be it's RWD, with some power. Add rain or snow and a new driver whose not cautious. It's a rolling death trap. I don't think the car is unsafe in the hands of anyone who respects both the car and the road.

From the Forbes web-site ..........

But it’s not for the reasons you might think. In this case, says Russ Rader, communications director for the Insurance Institute for Highway Safety (IIHS), an organization that represents the interests of the insurance industry, the 350Z is part of a group of vehicles that tends to be driven by younger, less experienced or riskier drivers, and stands out for having high death rates, through no particular fault of the car.

and also

“When they are in crashes,” he adds, “they’re particularly serious ones.”

This illustrates a key point: Simply looking at the historical death rates for one particular model might not give much insight into the relative danger, or safety, of driving that vehicle. Furthermore, the most recent available federal data, interpreted by make and model by the IIHS, covers 2001 to 2004 model years in calendar years 2002 to 2005. Many models have had significant changes in safety equipment or complete redesigns since then.

This thread is absolutely why I treat road safety analysis as "lies, damn lies and then there is statistics" and that is exactly hat Forbes is saying - the result is a by product of the vehicle being used by d1ck-heads who are voting with their behavior to exit the gene pool - Darwinism at its best.

One of my motorsport buddies is a retired Deputy District Inspector with VICPOL (Victoria Police Service) and he says you cannot legislate for d1ck-heads but the OP seems to think that Nissan is able to do exactly that - create a vehicle in which even the most idiotic d1ck-head can be saved from himself.

Well at the age of 63 I am moved to say that there comes a time in life when you need to stand up and be accountable. I'm an admirer of those in our armed forces who do that day-in and day-out under the most unimaginable stress, and I for one think it is about time that our legislators stop trying to protect d1ck-heads from themselves and start enforcing the need for personal accountability in daily life.

Rant-mode now off .....

Anyone who wants the proper definition of d1ck-head is welcome to PM me ....

RB

"are voting with their behavior to exit the gene pool".

We use the term - that someone pissed in their gene pool. Or, when they was made. Someone forgot to connect the dots on the helix. :tiphat:

Cannot wait until OP moves back into a Uncle Ben's VTEC equipped POS and leaves us alone.

Yeah I dont particularly agree with the "demographic" of driver as the cause. First reason being, the Z, nsx, supra and the like are a little above the spending class of the average "douchebag" driver we would normally associate with activities that lead to accidents, AKA street racing or driving like a 16 year old idiot. That being said, where are the civics? miatas? RX7/8? wrx? legacy? celeca? S2000? evo? MR2? ANY of the billion models of cars MUCH more likely to be driven in the manner that they are clearly hinting toward as an excuse....... which leads me to yet another very valid point, look at the sales numbers on the Z. The 350 did far better than the 370, which isnt saying much..... but the numbers pale in comparison with the raw amount of not only the others listed, but most notable the cars that are NOT on the list....The Z is actually pretty damn rare stacked up against other sports cars and expensive to own and mod, this keeps it out of reach of most punk kids hands thankfully "most of the time, not always". This, coupled with the fact that nissan didnt bother even putting test ratings public on the 370 even after everyone on earth knew about the 350s flaws for years is a linch pin in my mind. They could have used it as an opportunity upon the launch of the 370 to note how much safer it was than its previous generation "which should have been a huge concern to nissan" but they didnt. I could be wrong, but it just feels dodgy to me. Most car manufactures are PROUD to flaunt the safety rating of a car, lots of people care about that ****, but they are doing everything possible to keep it hush hush. shoddy part quality, poor stealership service, meh overall value per dollar, insanely high mod costs and low returns, low safety standards, I will be the first to admit that just owning a car doesnt put you in some kind of super secret bound by blood club that requires by law you bow down to your mighty purchase and proclaim its glory at the highest mountain top, thats what blind fanboys do. The car has plenty of issues, I own one because it was always a childhood favorite of mine and I still think the 09-13 nismos are one of the best looking cars that a working joe could buy on earth. But its out of my system now and ive kinda grown up a bit so I cant have my overpriced, gas hog, unsafe, "utility" useless, clutch failure every 25000 miles bullcrap car AND a family at the same time. So forgive me for being cynical :P or not rich.

I do feel a lot better hearing stories about people getting PWNED in the Z and walking away fine from it, although I would like to see some pix.... as most people tend to exaggerate a bit on the severity of an accident as first person view makes it much more dramatic lol. Most of the pix ive seen look like it was a 30 mph parking lot impact with a panhandler.

Of all the pix ive seen of the 350 however "death crashes" they all seemed to have one thing in common. rollover. Every single one I saw that died, rolled the car. Or impacted something and then rolled. Most everyone ive talked to that have walked away unscathed just hit something, but the wheels stayed on terra firma. Thats probably the cars weak point. And after a glance or 2 at a pic of one you can pretty much see why, with the angles of the supports and that most of its supported by glass...... I cant imagine that holding up 3300 pounds multiplied by whatever extra forces are applied during the crash. Hell ive seen reviews of the 370 where if your anywhere over 6ft tall your head already almost touches the roof. Now imagine that smashed down a could feet, whats going to save your ***? the seat back? lol.

falcon, please keep on track. Also I wouldnt be caught dead driving a honda :P

Mate, you are arguing with yourself and this is a very lo-value thread.

I simply invite you to re-read the second last sentence of your original post - if you are so afraid of the car killing you, then sell it and leave the forum.

Honestly I was wondering why this wasn't a farewell post to begin with. It sounds like the OP has already decided that getting 370z was a big mistake for many reasons other than the safety

Weren't you selling the car anyway? or is this a way to make you justify why you want to sell?>

Poor 370z. So many people would appreciate it, but she ended up in his hands.

Nope, arguing with those who choose to ignore issues with their "baby" ive had a 370 nismo since 09. Thats longer than 80% of the community has owned one consistently. So ive "appriciated" it longer than most have even been around one, i have a lot of exp with this car. Took me a bit to get over my fanboyism though. Its only a valued thread based on where the conversation goes, and what others contribute. And considering the first OP inquiry was simply what the community felt about the posed question AKA opinions then it can only be based on responses. I was sure most already knew about the safety issues but i had not counted on the devotion level being so high it made people ignore it so much as to not even post an honest opinion. Sorry i "wasted" your time by not supplying you with a topic relevant to your every desire and interest. And be assured i dont require justification to sell im just held back by a lack of buyers, its winter, and i owe a lot on it because i rolled the 09 into the 13 before i started a family or moved to DC.

Also curious, i need a 370z to be part of a 370z forum?

Im pretty sure we're done here.

And NO you don't need to exclusively own a Z to be part of this forum.

Everyone is welcomed regardless of what they drive.

Being respectful will go along way to always having people more than willing to help if the occasion should arise or asking for some input in a civil discussion.