'14 Nismo or "Z35" Detroit

Chuck33079 · 03-04-2014, 09:44 AM

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Originally Posted by NismoNox

Nissan announced that the new Q50 Eau Rouge Concept has/will have the 3.8L TT same setup to the GTR and announced a turbocharged 4-cylinder engine in the Q50 making 211 hp and 236 lb-ft of torque

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theDreamer · 03-04-2014, 09:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Chuck33079

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The Infiniti Q50 Eau Rouge Is The GT-R Sedan We've Always Wanted

2014 Infiniti Q50 Gains Turbocharged Four-Cylinder Engine In China

Looks like the Z is going down in engine size and adding a turbo, while Infiniti gets the GT-R (minus the transmission though).

FPenvy · 03-04-2014, 09:56 AM

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Originally Posted by theDreamer

The Infiniti Q50 Eau Rouge Is The GT-R Sedan We've Always Wanted

2014 Infiniti Q50 Gains Turbocharged Four-Cylinder Engine In China

Looks like the Z is going down in engine size and adding a turbo, while Infiniti gets the GT-R (minus the transmission though).

yeaaaaaaaaa a 4 cyl Z with most likely less HP than it has now......if so bye bye Z car.

sadly it'll probably sell more because if they do the 4cyl it means they want the BRZ/FRS market so it'll be cheaper. and then the Z becomes another terrible car like those 2.

god i hope i'm wrong

that eau rouge looks sexy though lol

Chuck33079 · 03-04-2014, 10:06 AM

Just because that turbo four makes less power doesn't mean the Z necessarily will. That's a China special, right? It would be very easy for them to make a 300hp+ turbo 4. Pretty much everyone has one now. And factory turbo motors usually have the ability to make loads more power than stock with bolt-ons and a tune. And if the car's lighter, it's going to be faster. The sky isn't necessarily falling.

FPenvy · 03-04-2014, 10:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Chuck33079

Just because that turbo four makes less power doesn't mean the Z necessarily will. That's a China special, right? It would be very easy for them to make a 300hp+ turbo 4. Pretty much everyone has one now. And factory turbo motors usually have the ability to make loads more power than stock with bolt-ons and a tune. And if the car's lighter, it's going to be faster. The sky isn't necessarily falling.

yea i'd hope they will make it more than 300hp if they go 4cyl turbo and if they dont it would be a giant mistake. i'm just saying worst case if it's a bitch car then its because of nissan wanting part of the BRZ/FRS cheap little sports car market share. thats all.

i really hope they stay true to the Z platform and just lighten it a bit and keep the V6. maybe even add a couple snails to it(even though that'll never happen with big brother GTR being around).

theDreamer · 03-04-2014, 10:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Chuck33079

Just because that turbo four makes less power doesn't mean the Z necessarily will. That's a China special, right? It would be very easy for them to make a 300hp+ turbo 4. Pretty much everyone has one now. And factory turbo motors usually have the ability to make loads more power than stock with bolt-ons and a tune. And if the car's lighter, it's going to be faster. The sky isn't necessarily falling.

Can easily bump the power, looking into which Mercedes engine it is currently and what can be done.
I will say this though, if it is a 4 cylinder in the new Z the Z is dead. Yes it will live on, but it will be a new breed of the car in a different arena.

Chuck33079 · 03-04-2014, 10:12 AM

The IDX is the BRZ competitor, not the Z. And for the sake of argument, if it's only 280hp but weighs 2800 lbs, it's the same power to weight ratio but would be better on tires, brakes and gas. That's a win.

FPenvy · 03-04-2014, 10:13 AM

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Originally Posted by theDreamer

Can easily bump the power, looking into which Mercedes engine it is currently and what can be done.
I will say this though, if it is a 4 cylinder in the new Z the Z is dead. Yes it will live on, but it will be a new breed of the car in a different arena.

though i pretty much said this a few posts up lol

FPenvy · 03-04-2014, 10:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Chuck33079

The IDX is the BRZ competitor, not the Z. And for the sake of argument, if it's only 280hp but weighs 2800 lbs, it's the same power to weight ratio but would be better on tires, brakes and gas. That's a win.

thats if the IDX actually is made. yes they said it probably will but lets not count our chickens here lol

i'm also going along the lines of worst case scenario.

ideally the IDX comes out and destroys those 2 horrible cars (BRZ/FRS).
the Z sticks with a V6 or sadly a 4 banger with good HP and a healthy diet.
i go buy a GTR and not care anymore about any of what i said above lol

theDreamer · 03-04-2014, 10:18 AM

I think I found the 4 cylinder engine, it is in the Merc CLA Class: Mercedes-Benz CLA-Class - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

In regular form it is around 200HP & 250TQ, but in their AMG version it gets bumped up to 350HP & 332TQ. Looks like the engine is pretty stout and can easily be upgraded to some good numbers.

FPenvy · 03-04-2014, 10:20 AM

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Originally Posted by theDreamer

I think I found the 4 cylinder engine, it is in the Merc CLA Class: Mercedes-Benz CLA-Class - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

In regular form it is around 200HP & 250TQ, but in their AMG version it gets bumped up to 350HP & 332TQ. Looks like the engine is pretty stout and can easily be upgraded to some good numbers.

CLA 45 AMG 2013– 1,991 cc (121.5 cu in) I4 twin-scroll turbo (M 133 DE 20 AL), Honeywell turbocharger (180 kPa (26.1 psi))[26] 360 PS (265 kW; 355 hp)@6000 450 N·m (332 lbf·ft)@2250-5000 161-165

26psi boost?! haha see i might be able to get behind something like that

theDreamer · 03-04-2014, 10:21 AM

Found the build notes on the AMG versions: BenzBoost - Mercedes 45 AMG models engine will be a 2.0 liter four cylinder with 26 pounds of boost stock and 354 horsepower call the M133

26lbs of boost is insane.

FPenvy · 03-04-2014, 10:24 AM

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Originally Posted by theDreamer

Found the build notes on the AMG versions: BenzBoost - Mercedes 45 AMG models engine will be a 2.0 liter four cylinder with 26 pounds of boost stock and 354 horsepower call the M133

26lbs of boost is insane.

that black bendy PVC looking pipe post-turbo needs to go though lol i know you wont be able to see it but now i know its there and its ugly lol

but my word 26psi and 350hp out of a 2.0L sounds nice.

nissan needs to make note of this.

theDreamer · 03-04-2014, 10:26 AM

Well maybe if Nissan puts in the regular engine, they could get access or do their own version of the AMG motor for a Nismo model Z.
Standard model is mid 200HP while the Nismo gets a bump to 300+ HP along with other upgrades.

FPenvy · 03-04-2014, 10:28 AM

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Originally Posted by theDreamer

Well maybe if Nissan puts in the regular engine, they could get access or do their own version of the AMG motor for a Nismo model Z.
Standard model is mid 200HP while the Nismo gets a bump to 300+ HP along with other upgrades.

that would suck though because i would have a hard time going with a nismo because the interio in the current one was just terrible lol

buttttttttt a 18hp gain with terrible interior is easy to say no to but a 100hp gain and terrible interior i could possibly live with. maybe do a interior swap lol

03-04-2014, 10:06 AM	#109 (permalink)
Chuck33079 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: Houston Posts: 12,265 Drives: 2011 370ztt Rep Power: 29538	Just because that turbo four makes less power doesn't mean the Z necessarily will. That's a China special, right? It would be very easy for them to make a 300hp+ turbo 4. Pretty much everyone has one now. And factory turbo motors usually have the ability to make loads more power than stock with bolt-ons and a tune. And if the car's lighter, it's going to be faster. The sky isn't necessarily falling. __________________ 2011 MB Touring-Sport-6sp-Nav/GTM TT/FI TT TDX/JTran/Kosmic/Eibach/Hotchkis/SPC/CSF/RPS/SoThatsWhereAllMyMoneyWent

03-04-2014, 10:12 AM	#112 (permalink)
Chuck33079 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: Houston Posts: 12,265 Drives: 2011 370ztt Rep Power: 29538	The IDX is the BRZ competitor, not the Z. And for the sake of argument, if it's only 280hp but weighs 2800 lbs, it's the same power to weight ratio but would be better on tires, brakes and gas. That's a win. __________________ 2011 MB Touring-Sport-6sp-Nav/GTM TT/FI TT TDX/JTran/Kosmic/Eibach/Hotchkis/SPC/CSF/RPS/SoThatsWhereAllMyMoneyWent

03-04-2014, 10:18 AM	#115 (permalink)
theDreamer A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Texas Posts: 30,879 Drives: 370z Rep Power: 4210	I think I found the 4 cylinder engine, it is in the Merc CLA Class: Mercedes-Benz CLA-Class - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia In regular form it is around 200HP & 250TQ, but in their AMG version it gets bumped up to 350HP & 332TQ. Looks like the engine is pretty stout and can easily be upgraded to some good numbers. __________________ theDreamer's Z // Fast Intentions // Uprev // GTM // HKS // TEIN theDreamer's Silvia // URAS // GREDDY Houston Zs // Facebook // Twitter // Instagram

03-04-2014, 10:21 AM	#117 (permalink)
theDreamer A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Texas Posts: 30,879 Drives: 370z Rep Power: 4210	Found the build notes on the AMG versions: BenzBoost - Mercedes 45 AMG models engine will be a 2.0 liter four cylinder with 26 pounds of boost stock and 354 horsepower call the M133 26lbs of boost is insane. FPenvy likes this. __________________ theDreamer's Z // Fast Intentions // Uprev // GTM // HKS // TEIN theDreamer's Silvia // URAS // GREDDY Houston Zs // Facebook // Twitter // Instagram

03-04-2014, 10:26 AM	#119 (permalink)
theDreamer A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Texas Posts: 30,879 Drives: 370z Rep Power: 4210	Well maybe if Nissan puts in the regular engine, they could get access or do their own version of the AMG motor for a Nismo model Z. Standard model is mid 200HP while the Nismo gets a bump to 300+ HP along with other upgrades. __________________ theDreamer's Z // Fast Intentions // Uprev // GTM // HKS // TEIN theDreamer's Silvia // URAS // GREDDY Houston Zs // Facebook // Twitter // Instagram

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