370Z disappointment -is Nismo the cure?

MJB · 10-29-2013, 11:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by zae757

It was perfectly explained this way:

Only if you plan on keeping your Nismo stock forever vs other base/sport pkge stock forever Z's would this even have a little merit. Its the SAME ENGINE with a little more free flowing exhaust and a light tune. Its a drivers race man, SORRY... There also plenty of WAAY better exhausts and suspension mods out there than can be had then what the NISMO is equipped with...they are on the same playing field...like it or not... you paid a ton of extra cash for for sup par exhaust, tune, suspension tweaks. Most people who REALLy want to turn the Z into an all out track car dont go for the Nismo, they get a base and build...

You can justify it anyway you want but it's the same no apples to oranges. It's like saying the iPad mini is totally different from the iPad. Same device, one just has a larger screen, same device and everything. You I believe have force induction, so you had to or should have changed out everything except for suspension that you paid extra for...just stating facts...

Lol, so just because you post a quote from some member about his view on the Nismo, that is supposed to prove something? nismo Vs base/sport

TreeSemdyZee · 10-29-2013, 11:10 PM

I don't know about you guys, but I still like cheese.

And I still sprout wood every day when I get in my Z.

Hotrodz · 10-30-2013, 12:58 AM

Wow...I guess I'm just an idiot cause I'm modding my Nis with a FI TT, 3" exhaust, oil cooler, SZ clutch and other stuff!!! And I have already installed all the stuff in my signature line. I guess I should have bought a Vet, BMW, Porsche, Audi or a Merc! Whatever...you just can't fix stupid! Dance with the one you bought or

FortuneLSX-TT · 10-30-2013, 10:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by zae757

It was perfectly explained this way:

Only if you plan on keeping your Nismo stock forever vs other base/sport pkge stock forever Z's would this even have a little merit. Its the SAME ENGINE with a little more free flowing exhaust and a light tune. Its a drivers race man, SORRY... There also plenty of WAAY better exhausts and suspension mods out there than can be had then what the NISMO is equipped with...they are on the same playing field...like it or not... you paid a ton of extra cash for for sup par exhaust, tune, suspension tweaks. Most people who REALLy want to turn the Z into an all out track car dont go for the Nismo, they get a base and build...

You can justify it anyway you want but it's the same no apples to oranges. It's like saying the iPad mini is totally different from the iPad. Same device, one just has a larger screen, same device and everything. You I believe have force induction, so you had to or should have changed out everything except for suspension that you paid extra for...just stating facts...

I can see you need this explained in simpler terms so that you can understand.

Apples to Apples
New Nismo MSRP vs New Nismo Touring MSRP

Apples to Oranges
New Nismo MSRP vs Your USED price that you paid

Apples to Apples
Price actually paid for new Nismo vs Price Actually paid for for new Base/Touring whatever

Apples to Oranges
New Nismo MSRP vs Price actually paid for new base/touring whatever

Do you see a trend here? You have been comparing the NEW MSRP vs what you paid for your USED car. This is not apples to apples. Apples to apples is comparing two items with the same conditions, not comparing two items of varying conditions to come to whatever conclusion you want to support.

Claiming that your'e stating something as a FACT does not in fact make it a fact. It is still your OPINION that you are stating. A fact is undeniable, it simply is. It is a FACT that the MSRP of a 2014 370Z Nismo is $43k. It is your OPINION that it is not worth it.

The fact is, you can also add FI to the Nismo and still keep the stock exhaust if you wanted and change NOTHING else that you paid extra for. THAT is a FACT.

And I've clearly demonstrated how even with modifying it has a TON of merit. And the only thing I paid extra for that I don't have on anymore is the exhaust, sway bars and springs. I already sold the exhaust and will sell the springs and sway bars shortly. So I paid less for those upgrades than you would, which reduces the difference. Honestly, I think I'm ahead on my upgraded parts because I got them for a good price compared to what I sold my Nismo parts for. So if you plan to modify the car, yes buying the Nismo still can make financial sense compared to the base depending on how you do it.

And back to the OP's original question to at least keep the guise of staying on topic. (I know he's long since gone on this resurrected thread) The Nismo just feels ratcheted up a notch to me. I'd love to trade out my steering wheel for the new 14's alcantara wheel. I wonder how much you can get one from the dealership for.

fuct · 10-30-2013, 10:46 AM

one thing i will stir into the pot about justifying a SP with body kit vs nismo kit is the nismo kit can take a beating! not proud but ive bumped, banged, scraped, and grinded my car around for 60k miles and shes still holding up nicely. also replacement parts for the kit seem to go down in price here and there, and their availability is great. you cant say so about many lip kits and full bumper replacements on the market.

oh and i agree i want that 2014 steering wheel too!

Chuck33079 · 10-30-2013, 10:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FortuneLSX-TT

I can see you need this explained in simpler terms so that you can understand.

Apples to Apples
New Nismo MSRP vs New Nismo Touring MSRP

Apples to Oranges
New Nismo MSRP vs Your USED price that you paid

Apples to Apples
Price actually paid for new Nismo vs Price Actually paid for for new Base/Touring whatever

Apples to Oranges
New Nismo MSRP vs Price actually paid for new base/touring whatever

Do you see a trend here? You have been comparing the NEW MSRP vs what you paid for your USED car. This is not apples to apples. Apples to apples is comparing two items with the same conditions, not comparing two items of varying conditions to come to whatever conclusion you want to support.

Claiming that your'e stating something as a FACT does not in fact make it a fact. It is still your OPINION that you are stating. A fact is undeniable, it simply is. It is a FACT that the MSRP of a 2014 370Z Nismo is $43k. It is your OPINION that it is not worth it.

The fact is, you can also add FI to the Nismo and still keep the stock exhaust if you wanted and change NOTHING else that you paid extra for. THAT is a FACT.

And I've clearly demonstrated how even with modifying it has a TON of merit. And the only thing I paid extra for that I don't have on anymore is the exhaust, sway bars and springs. I already sold the exhaust and will sell the springs and sway bars shortly. So I paid less for those upgrades than you would, which reduces the difference. Honestly, I think I'm ahead on my upgraded parts because I got them for a good price compared to what I sold my Nismo parts for. So if you plan to modify the car, yes buying the Nismo still can make financial sense compared to the base depending on how you do it.

And back to the OP's original question to at least keep the guise of staying on topic. (I know he's long since gone on this resurrected thread) The Nismo just feels ratcheted up a notch to me. I'd love to trade out my steering wheel for the new 14's alcantara wheel. I wonder how much you can get one from the dealership for.

Yeah, comparing a new Nismo to a used sport is pretty silly. A Nismo stickers right around where a touring/sport/nav Z is priced at. The decision comes down to where do you see the value. I wanted the touring and nav. If the Nismo had a touring and nav option, I would have gone that way. If we're going to compare new cars to used cars then we might as well compare the Nismo to a used Z06 or Viper at that point since they're in the same price range.

/Angelo350Z/ · 10-30-2013, 11:20 AM

For a 350hp RWD sports car, Nismos are very reasonably priced IMO. When I purchased my Base with Sport Package, the two Nismos at the lot were only about $2K more. I didn't really care much for the 18 extra hp and aggressive body pieces, nor did the $2K savings sway my decision. I just, as many times in the past, wanted a blue car. Nissan really should start making Blue Nismos.

forza370z · 10-30-2013, 11:34 AM

I have to say I love most of the non-nismo owners here.

Isamu · 10-30-2013, 01:21 PM

I boosted my NISMO and still run the OEM NISMO Exhaust...

FortuneLSX-TT · 10-30-2013, 02:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chuck33079

Yeah, comparing a new Nismo to a used sport is pretty silly. A Nismo stickers right around where a touring/sport/nav Z is priced at. The decision comes down to where do you see the value. I wanted the touring and nav. If the Nismo had a touring and nav option, I would have gone that way. If we're going to compare new cars to used cars then we might as well compare the Nismo to a used Z06 or Viper at that point since they're in the same price range.

I do not even want to know what a Nismo with Touring and Nav would sticker for. That would be one of my complaints about the Nismo and Z in general... WTF does the Nismo Juke have nicer seats?!?!?

Quote:

Originally Posted by /Angelo350Z/

For a 350hp RWD sports car, Nismos are very reasonably priced IMO. When I purchased my Base with Sport Package, the two Nismos at the lot were only about $2K more. I didn't really care much for the 18 extra hp and aggressive body pieces, nor did the $2K savings sway my decision. I just, as many times in the past, wanted a blue car. Nissan really should start making Blue Nismos.

I'm a big fan of the new Midnight Blue.... Midnight Blue Nismo..... mmmmm

MJB · 10-30-2013, 03:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FortuneLSX-TT

I do not even want to know what a Nismo with Touring and Nav would sticker for. That would be one of my complaints about the Nismo and Z in general... WTF does the Nismo Juke have nicer seats?!?!?

I'm glad the Nismo doesn't come with leather seats. Thats just more weight to an already over weight car. And Nav? That is what my Tom Tom is for. Good enough, lol

Isamu · 10-30-2013, 03:21 PM

I am glad I bought the NISMO

Hotrodz · 10-30-2013, 03:53 PM

Yah, what you all said and if you want to call all 370s apples, just like apples you can't really compare a Red Delicious to a Granny Smith!!!

Nismo FTW...

chii370 · 10-31-2013, 02:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chuck33079

Yeah, comparing a new Nismo to a used sport is pretty silly. A Nismo stickers right around where a touring/sport/nav Z is priced at. The decision comes down to where do you see the value. I wanted the touring and nav. If the Nismo had a touring and nav option, I would have gone that way. If we're going to compare new cars to used cars then we might as well compare the Nismo to a used Z06 or Viper at that point since they're in the same price range.

thats an excellent way to put it. people forget the nismo isnt actually the most expensive Z. The sport/nav is really close, and the sport/nav convert is more. to each his own. for me its exclusivity, you can put as many aftermarket parts as you want on your normal Z and it will never be one of the 500 per year nismo models. Or the probably 20 sold in magma red "discontinued"

so as far as numbers go, my 13 mag red nis is more rare than a ferrari 458 italia....... ****, bad example, they made thousands of those....... think of a super rare 2 digit car. I cant.

fuct · 10-31-2013, 03:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chii370

thats an excellent way to put it. people forget the nismo isnt actually the most expensive Z. The sport/nav is really close, and the sport/nav convert is more. to each his own. for me its exclusivity, you can put as many aftermarket parts as you want on your normal Z and it will never be one of the 500 per year nismo models. Or the probably 20 sold in magma red "discontinued"

so as far as numbers go, my 13 mag red nis is more rare than a ferrari 458 italia....... ****, bad example, they made thousands of those....... think of a super rare 2 digit car. I cant.

1 in a 1000 per year maybe

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Hotrodz A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: NW, AZ Posts: 9,330 Drives: 10 Nissan 370z Nismo Rep Power: 2684385	Wow...I guess I'm just an idiot cause I'm modding my Nis with a FI TT, 3" exhaust, oil cooler, SZ clutch and other stuff!!! And I have already installed all the stuff in my signature line. I guess I should have bought a Vet, BMW, Porsche, Audi or a Merc! Whatever...you just can't fix stupid! Dance with the one you bought or __________________ *Fast Intentions TT Installed and Tuned by Seb at SpecialtyZ 610whp 560tq:\|Fast Intentions 3" TT-TDX*\|SpecialtyZ/Fast Intentions 72 Row Oil Cooler\|SZ 6 Puck Clutch & Flywheel\|3GsCustoms\|Z1\|Wavetrac\|Hotchkis\|Whiteline \|Blitz\|Fortune Auto 500\|Fujimura\|SPL\|H&R\|TK\|TWM\|RPM Rollbar\|Sparco\|Next Level Performance\|TrackSpec\|AeroFlow Dynamics\|Pioneer\|

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fuct A True Z Fanatic Join Date: May 2009 Location: Sugar Land Posts: 3,692 Drives: 97' Ranger :) Rep Power: 24	one thing i will stir into the pot about justifying a SP with body kit vs nismo kit is the nismo kit can take a beating! not proud but ive bumped, banged, scraped, and grinded my car around for 60k miles and shes still holding up nicely. also replacement parts for the kit seem to go down in price here and there, and their availability is great. you cant say so about many lip kits and full bumper replacements on the market. oh and i agree i want that 2014 steering wheel too! ZeroZeta likes this.

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/Angelo350Z/ A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Germany Posts: 2,230 Drives: Z34 \| MK7 \| F82 Rep Power: 3660	For a 350hp RWD sports car, Nismos are very reasonably priced IMO. When I purchased my Base with Sport Package, the two Nismos at the lot were only about $2K more. I didn't really care much for the 18 extra hp and aggressive body pieces, nor did the $2K savings sway my decision. I just, as many times in the past, wanted a blue car. Nissan really should start making Blue Nismos. __________________ 2013 MB NISSAN 370Z SPORT

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forza370z A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: 403 Forbidden Posts: 2,512 Drives: 2009 NISMO 370Z Rep Power: 19	I have to say I love most of the non-nismo owners here. FortuneLSX-TT and Hotrodz like this. __________________ 09 PW 370z Nismo \| K&N Drop Ins \| HKS Hi Power \| Berk HFCs \| Work Meister S1 3P \| Project Kics R40 Neo Chrome Lug Nuts \| KW V1 \| SPC rear camber arms/toe bolts \| Southbend Stage 3 daily clutch \| Southband 19Ib Steel Flywheel \| ZSpeed CSC

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Hotrodz A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: NW, AZ Posts: 9,330 Drives: 10 Nissan 370z Nismo Rep Power: 2684385	Yah, what you all said and if you want to call all 370s apples, just like apples you can't really compare a Red Delicious to a Granny Smith!!! Nismo FTW... Isamu likes this. __________________ *Fast Intentions TT Installed and Tuned by Seb at SpecialtyZ 610whp 560tq:\|Fast Intentions 3" TT-TDX\|SpecialtyZ/Fast Intentions 72 Row Oil Cooler\|SZ 6 Puck Clutch & Flywheel\|3GsCustoms\|Z1\|Wavetrac\|Hotchkis\|Whiteline \|Blitz\|Fortune Auto 500\|Fujimura\|SPL\|H&R\|TK\|TWM\|RPM Rollbar\|Sparco\|Next Level Performance\|TrackSpec\|AeroFlow Dynamics\|Pioneer\| Last edited by Hotrodz; 10-30-2013 at 03:56 PM.*

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