What's the best way to achieve 50hp?

Nikkolai · 12-28-2011, 12:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Skull Crusher

They are considered bolt on's to those who know what they're doing and what else would you call heads that bolt on? Bullocks, there are several companies that offer long blocks of your compression choice and are rated over 500 hp.

We're running 396 @ the rear with Pistons (11:1 compression), Cams, Rods, Heads, Headers, Intake, Improved Fueling, Tune, HFC's and cat back on 91 octane. With 96 and above will crest 400 quite easily. With a bit more tweaking, it will surpass 400 rwhp 91 octane and what's been done to the motor is considered mild in comparison. Price is reasonable and the motor is much more reliable then and FI motor, especially for everyday driving.

The problem with an FI motor, is the eternals. They can't take the pressure and continuous abuse. Parts wear quicker and are very susceptible to breakage, particularly mains, rods and cranks caused by inefficient oiling.

Do you have the dyno graphs? I'd love to see the linear curve. I didn't realize there were all motor builds for the vq37hr since everyone goes forced induction. As for the bolt on comment, it wasn't meant literally. It was more like a part that could be installed in a garage with minor mechanical knowledge. If it was literal was then everything done on the car is pretty much bolt on.

Oops, went off topic. As others have said, forced induction for "best" way to get 400+hp.

chii370 · 12-30-2011, 02:30 AM

lol i made a thread about this in the engine/FI section of the site. Im building a NA 09 370 nismo engine to "hopefully" the 400whp+ range.

Nikkolai · 12-30-2011, 11:22 AM

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Originally Posted by chii370

lol i made a thread about this in the engine/FI section of the site. Im building a NA 09 370 nismo engine to "hopefully" the 400whp+ range.

How's the project coming along? I'm still waiting on the dyno graphs for the said 396whp.

Kingbaby · 12-31-2011, 05:33 AM

in for that as well

Skull Crusher · 01-01-2012, 04:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Nikkolai

I'm still waiting on the dyno graphs for the said 396whp.

Don't get your tits in a twist, I'm having problems finding them. Plus, I don't spend my life on a forum either. If I can't find'em, we're going to make another dyno run later this week with some added A/F tweaks and adjustments. Hopefully, we'll surpass the 400 rwhp mark.

theDreamer · 01-01-2012, 04:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Skull Crusher

They are considered bolt on's to those who know what they're doing and what else would you call heads that bolt on? Bullocks, there are several companies that offer long blocks of your compression choice and are rated over 500 hp.

We're running 396 @ the rear with Pistons (11:1 compression), Cams, Rods, Heads, Headers, Intake, Improved Fueling, Tune, HFC's and cat back on 91 octane. With 96 and above will crest 400 quite easily. With a bit more tweaking, it will surpass 400 rwhp 91 octane and what's been done to the motor is considered mild in comparison. Price is reasonable and the motor is much more reliable then and FI motor, especially for everyday driving.

The problem with an FI motor, is the eternals. They can't take the pressure and continuous abuse. Parts wear quicker and are very susceptible to breakage, particularly mains, rods and cranks caused by inefficient oiling.

Your argument on FI is not 100% exact, there are a lot of variables which will contribute to internal wear & tear for both a FI & NA build.
Now onto your NA build at 396whp, what cams/rods/heads are you using? How are you tuning VVEL. What type of headers and define improved fueling.

m4a1mustang · 01-01-2012, 04:15 PM

I would love to see some dyno charts for your build, Skull Crusher. Sounds interesting. Subscribed.

Alchemy · 01-01-2012, 04:29 PM

In for "lost/misplaced" dyno charts

Red__Zed · 01-02-2012, 09:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Skull Crusher

They are considered bolt on's to those who know what they're doing and what else would you call heads that bolt on? Bullocks, there are several companies that offer long blocks of your compression choice and are rated over 500 hp.

We're running 396 @ the rear with Pistons (11:1 compression), Cams, Rods, Heads, Headers, Intake, Improved Fueling, Tune, HFC's and cat back on 91 octane. With 96 and above will crest 400 quite easily. With a bit more tweaking, it will surpass 400 rwhp 91 octane and what's been done to the motor is considered mild in comparison. Price is reasonable and the motor is much more reliable then and FI motor, especially for everyday driving.

The problem with an FI motor, is the eternals. They can't take the pressure and continuous abuse. Parts wear quicker and are very susceptible to breakage, particularly mains, rods and cranks caused by inefficient oiling.

Internals on an FI motor are no more prone to wear than internals on an FI engine laying similar numbers down.

I'd love to see pics/dynos for your build

Quote:

Originally Posted by Skull Crusher

Oh sure they will. Pistons, Cams, heads, headers, intake, exhaust and tune will get you there with hp to spare. It's all matter of how much you want to spend. Forced induction isn't the only way to get over 400 hp. You don't need nitrous or forced induction.

pistons are not bolt ons

Besides, most of it is about getting usable power, not just power above 5 grand.

roplusbee · 01-02-2012, 09:55 PM

Oh yeah........now I'm sub'd. This should get good!

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chii370 Track Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: . Posts: 642 Drives: . Rep Power: 16	lol i made a thread about this in the engine/FI section of the site. Im building a NA 09 370 nismo engine to "hopefully" the 400whp+ range.