nismo Vs base/sport

andre12031948 · 11-05-2013, 12:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Isamu

I think it's your grasp on the english language, and ability to formulate a proper sentence.

I believe someone asked if he could add the Nismo options to a base model, & would that cost less, or something like that. I addressed the tune part of it. Stating that yes you can get an after market tune & most will give a a bigger gain than the Nismo tune. I pointed that that gain was at the engine, not at the wheels so it's a smaller gain than it looks. That's according to the way we look at ALL our mod gains that we meassure. Again, the reason is because WE meassure & post H.P. gains at the wheels.

I seem to be forced to say that even a small gain is a gain. That's obvious, nevertheless I'll say it. "Even a small gain counts & is a gain" Feel better.

My point remains at what it was & is.

I don't mind & may like "wise guy answers/comment" but you are just plain insulting without really having the info/experience or a good sense of humor to make all those comments. That's more of my time than you deserve.

andre12031948 · 11-05-2013, 12:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Isamu

I think it's your grasp on the english language, and ability to formulate a proper sentence.

I also wasn't born in this country (spelling) & I speak 3 different languages plus Spanish

How about you?

Isamu · 11-05-2013, 01:16 PM

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Originally Posted by andre12031948

I also wasn't born in this country (spelling) & I speak 3 different languages plus Spanish

How about you?

2, but that's ok... I don't need to speak 4 languages.

FortuneLSX-TT · 11-05-2013, 01:29 PM

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Originally Posted by andre12031948

I believe someone asked if he could add the Nismo options to a base model, & would that cost less, or something like that. I addressed the tune part of it. Stating that yes you can get an after market tune & most will give a a bigger gain than the Nismo tune. I pointed that that gain was at the engine, not at the wheels so it's a smaller gain than it looks. That's according to the way we look at ALL our mod gains that we meassure. Again, the reason is because WE meassure & post H.P. gains at the wheels.

I seem to be forced to say that even a small gain is a gain. That's obvious, nevertheless I'll say it. "Even a small gain counts & is a gain" Feel better.

My point remains at what it was & is.

I don't mind & may like "wise guy answers/comment" but you are just plain insulting without really having the info/experience or a good sense of humor to make all those comments. That's more of my time than you deserve.

Someone asked the following question, I also quoted your reply. He did not ask if it would cost less, he asked if it would produce around the same hp. A question that was answered by several people to be a yes.

If you read carefully, he was asking if the Nismo had the SAME aftermarket tune and other performance mods as his car would the numbers be the same. He did NOT ask for a comparison of how a Nismo stock tune compared to an aftermarket tune. He was more or less asking if there were some tables in the Nismo tune that an aftermarket tune could not touch that would allow the Nismo to still make more hp with everything else being equal.

At which you decided to chime in, answer your own question and not the one asked and tried to continue your Nismo bashing because in this case 18bhp doesn't matter to you.

Finally, what does it matter if you can speak four different languages? That point has absolutely nothing to do with what we are discussing here. I have no need to speak four different languages. Furthermore, if I knew I was weak at speaking a language I would try to not be so offensive when using that language. The fact is, as your comment was written it implied that the gain only existed at the flywheel and did not translate into a gain at the rear wheels. When this was pointed out to you numerous times, you stubbornly stuck to your original point despite what is actually written and began insulting others because of it.

Rude, stubborn, and ignorant is still rude, stubborn, and ignorant even if you can do it in four different languages.

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Originally Posted by w4kj4k

Sorry to bump an old thread but if the nismo has a different tune...

What if i had a base model. Got the same exhaust, intake, tune.

And then the nismo got the same exhust, intake and tune. Would they produce the same numbers then or very similar?

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Originally Posted by andre12031948

As far as the tune, the H.P. gain is at the engine, not at the wheels. I THINK a Osires uprev tune can add more H.P. than that factory one. When mods like test pipes or exhaust or just about any mod is added, the Osires tune woulds make even more sense. With a custom tune you can also have your redline raised.

Pelican170 · 11-06-2013, 04:53 PM

Just to add to this thread, an UpRev tune does not add HP... It does tweaks to certain areas to improve performance, but not raise HP...

Chuck33079 · 11-06-2013, 05:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Pelican170

Just to add to this thread, an UpRev tune does not add HP... It does tweaks to certain areas to improve performance, but not raise HP...

Huh? Have you not seen the numerous dyno sheets here of before and after tuning that clearly show increased horsepower and torque?

Armhunter · 11-06-2013, 05:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Chuck33079

Huh? Have you not seen the numerous dyno sheets here of before and after tuning that clearly show increased horsepower and torque?

If your car is not tuned to the mods you have then you are missing HP. An UpRev tune will give you more HP! I watched it with my own eyes..

Chuck33079 · 11-06-2013, 05:14 PM

Even on a stock vehicle, there is clearly more power after the tune. I'm not sure what Pelican is talking about.

zae757 · 11-06-2013, 05:20 PM

I've come to the conclusion the ppl purchase nismos because it's something different vs the other models that the 370z has to offer. At the end of the day, purchase what you want and find reasoning in what you buy. Might not make sense to everyone (HP wise) but if it makes sense to you, rock with it.

My reasoning for purchasing the 370 is because I love the look...

skidad62 · 11-06-2013, 06:01 PM

I have a roadster touring with the sport package - got to drive a Nismo the other night to compare.

Engine/exhaust

Was surprised how similar the exhaust note was.

Could not feel any difference in pulling power. I'm sure the Nismo is slightly quicker for the weight advantage but only if side by side.

The Nismo seemed to have less throttle response - when rev'd the revs seemed to hang and not come down as quickly. It was cold out - not sure if that had an effect. Didn't affect my sport model the same.

Handling

The Nismo sat lower and had a great looking stance

The suspension set up on the Nismo was harsh compared to the sport package - can see that it's firmness would be an asset on the track

Other

The seats were a little more spartan on the Nismo and the manual adjustments etc. The heated/cooled and power seats on the Sport model were more refined for sure

The OEM headunit was much more basic in the Nismo

I liked the front clip and rear valence on the Nismo

I liked the rear fog on the Sport

In the end for track use - the Nismo makes complete sense. Preferred the Sport model for street use.

Love them both though.

theDreamer · 11-06-2013, 06:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Pelican170

Just to add to this thread, an UpRev tune does not add HP... It does tweaks to certain areas to improve performance, but not raise HP...

FortuneLSX-TT · 11-07-2013, 11:30 AM

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Originally Posted by skidad62

I have a roadster with the sport package - got to drive a Nismo the other night to compare.

Engine/exhaust

Was surprised how similar the exhaust note was.

Could not feel any difference in pulling power. I'm sure the Nismo is slightly quicker for the weight advantage but only if side by side.

The Nismo seemed to have less throttle response - when rev'd the revs seemed to hang and not come down as quickly. It was cold out - not sure if that had an effect. Didn't affect my sport model the same.

Handling

The Nismo sat lower and had a great looking stance

The suspension set up on the Nismo was harsh compared to the sport package - can see that it's firmness would be an asset on the track

Other

The seats were a little more spartan on the Nismo and the manual adjustments etc. The heated/cooled and power seats on the Sport model were more refined for sure

The OEM headunit was much more basic in the Nismo

I liked the front clip and rear valence on the Nismo

I liked the rear fog on the Sport

In the end for track use - the Nismo makes complete sense. Preferred the Sport model for street use.

Love them both though.

Good to see more reviews without the blatant bias.

I do think you're comparing a few of the Touring upgrades to the base/sport/Nismo offerings though. Sport doesn't do anything to upgrade the OEM head unit or the seats. Ditto on the rear light, although the new Nismos now come with that light.

I too had an opportunity to see how the other half lives. The g/f just got a 2013 Magma Red base Z with auto.

Comfort: The stock car is so much quieter, and the ride is so much gentler in the non-Nismo. (Granted compared to the way my car is setup now, 95% of cars out there are quieter and gentler) I imagine upgrading to the Touring would add just that additional level of creature comfort.

Handling: The handling of the base just feels duller. The smaller tires and softer suspension really do not do much for me. The brakes are good, but again not the same. The sport upgrade is truly a worthwhile upgrade.

My Conclusion: The Nismo for a DD is not for everyone. The real beauty of the Nismo is more than the sum of its parts. It is as others have stated before just a little bit sharper here and there. I don't think it is something that you can truly feel/appreciate just driving around town. It really begins to shine on the track where that stiffer suspension, increased traction, and extra aero can actually be of use.

Sure you can go ahead and add more stuff to a base/sport, but you can do that to the Nismo too, and I think we've beat that topic into the ground. For those that are ok with trading a little comfort for a little more performance and looks, then the Nismo might just fit the bill.

Pelican170 · 11-07-2013, 02:58 PM

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Originally Posted by theDreamer

haha

chii370 · 11-08-2013, 05:06 PM

honestly im really surprised this has gone 12 pages. everything that matters, and that can be said to make a valid point about the OP topic has already been said...... then repeated several times. those that are nismoless justify why they dont want one, those with a nismo are happy they didnt buy a base/sport :P end of never ending argument.

skidad62 · 11-08-2013, 05:25 PM

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Originally Posted by chii370

honestly im really surprised this has gone 12 pages. everything that matters, and that can be said to make a valid point about the OP topic has already been said...... then repeated several times. those that are nismoless justify why they dont want one, those with a nismo are happy they didnt buy a base/sport :P end of never ending argument.

Well... my 1st drive in a Nismo was this week - so I was new to the discussion. I liked them both. Seems like you've had your chance in the last week to share your thoughts...

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Originally Posted by chii370

thats an excellent way to put it. people forget the nismo isnt actually the most expensive Z. The sport/nav is really close, and the sport/nav convert is more. to each his own. for me its exclusivity, you can put as many aftermarket parts as you want on your normal Z and it will never be one of the 500 per year nismo models. Or the probably 20 sold in magma red "discontinued"

so as far as numbers go, my 13 mag red nis is more rare than a ferrari 458 italia....... ****, bad example, they made thousands of those....... think of a super rare 2 digit car. I cant.

11-06-2013, 04:53 PM	#170 (permalink)
Pelican170 Track Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Sandy Hook, CT Posts: 972 Drives: Nissan 370z Nismo Rep Power: 16	Just to add to this thread, an UpRev tune does not add HP... It does tweaks to certain areas to improve performance, but not raise HP... __________________ Fast Intentions CF Exhaust - Fast Intentions HFC's - HPS Tubes w/ AFE Dry Flow Filter's

11-06-2013, 05:14 PM	#173 (permalink)
Chuck33079 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: Houston Posts: 12,265 Drives: 2011 370ztt Rep Power: 29539	Even on a stock vehicle, there is clearly more power after the tune. I'm not sure what Pelican is talking about. __________________ 2011 MB Touring-Sport-6sp-Nav/GTM TT/FI TT TDX/JTran/Kosmic/Eibach/Hotchkis/SPC/CSF/RPS/SoThatsWhereAllMyMoneyWent

11-06-2013, 06:01 PM	#175 (permalink)
skidad62 Base Member Join Date: Aug 2013 Location: Moncton NB Canada Posts: 214 Drives: 2010 370Z Roadster Rep Power: 12	I have a roadster touring with the sport package - got to drive a Nismo the other night to compare. Engine/exhaust Was surprised how similar the exhaust note was. Could not feel any difference in pulling power. I'm sure the Nismo is slightly quicker for the weight advantage but only if side by side. The Nismo seemed to have less throttle response - when rev'd the revs seemed to hang and not come down as quickly. It was cold out - not sure if that had an effect. Didn't affect my sport model the same. Handling The Nismo sat lower and had a great looking stance The suspension set up on the Nismo was harsh compared to the sport package - can see that it's firmness would be an asset on the track Other The seats were a little more spartan on the Nismo and the manual adjustments etc. The heated/cooled and power seats on the Sport model were more refined for sure The OEM headunit was much more basic in the Nismo I liked the front clip and rear valence on the Nismo I liked the rear fog on the Sport In the end for track use - the Nismo makes complete sense. Preferred the Sport model for street use. Love them both though. __________________ 2010 370Z Black Cherry Roadster Touring Sport 2003 Mustang Vortech YSI 640 rwhp - sold but not forgotten Last edited by skidad62; 11-07-2013 at 07:41 PM.

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