Not only that but also the factory fit and finish look better than 99% of aftermarket parts. Even Stillen parts has fitment issues that I would never want to deal with.

I love the nismo rims and body parts. I wasn't a big fan of the whole fang look in the front. That was the biggest reason why I bought it over the base model. In my opinion the nismo rims looks the best and most aggressive with the nismo body. No other rims looks and fits so well with the car. I would never give up my stock rims for aftermarket rims.

The car looks great but seriously... What do u expect the parts I list to make the car look like? A piece of ****??? The modded Z will look a's good a's any nismo car. Take a look at some nodded z and tell me a nismo is better.


The warranty factor of all of this is true but the parts I listed shouldnt effect drive train warranty. Like I said, nismo is a good car but I turned one down because I didn't see the value in my personal opinion. I felt that a regular z could become more than what the nismo had to offer

I agree with everything you wrote, my main issue was the fangs as well, then i saw the looks of the nismo and i knew what direction i wanted to go in. besides, even if you wanted to buy a kit and do all aftermarket, its just a hastle to do so imo...

I think the majority of Nismo owners go for it mainly due to the looks. And for the price difference, it would make sense to get a nismo. Where I live, the cost difference was like $5,000 (over sport package which I wanted), to get a kit, painted, rims, tires... you would be over $5,000...

Either way, you could argue this all day long and i do understand both sides of it, but it really all just comes down to opinions...

yep. it's kinda like asking which color looks best :)

One point to make is that since, I've modded my share of cars over the years and have learned this lesson first hand. Any non-factory mod's you add to the vehicle actually decrease the value.

Future resale and value of a collector is there on a Nismo, where on any other base + mod's don't plan on ever seeing any of that money again. You have to revert it to stock to recoup best return.

Aftermarket always gets better, therefore any part you add is worth less in around 5+ years expect cents on the dollar.
Where as a stock Nismo will be worth the most.

I get so frustrated seeing where folks call "spending money" on their rides as an investment.

Oh, I spent 36k on my Nismo! So, that math you used earlier to calculate what you could build using inferior parts get's even worse off over time.

if you own a touring or base model and your browsing this thread you know deep down you should have got a nismo........ ;)

NOT LIKE THAT.... cause everybody knows that RED is the best :bowrofl: jk

The resale of the nismo is the best either. See what a used 09 nismo gets. The reduction in price is almost as bad as a base depreciating. Used nismo over used Base...depreciates more. The factor of nismo parts being on the car does no good. U still see deprecation just like any other car in the world... EXCEPT AN ENZO cause that was an exception lol 600k now worth 2.5 million.... damn....

also what inferior parts? Stillen? HRE? yea right... i see nismo owners selling their wheels for 3 piece forged wheels. THATS CRAZY TALK IF YOU THINK NISMO WHEELS ARE BETTER THAN 3 PIECE FORGED WHEELS....NO WAY.... anyways... if your in the market for investment than the NISMO is a FAIL.... It loses your investment just like any other car and its not even like NISSAN used the best parts possible. They are SEMI OKAY....

BASE DEPRECIATION ON MANHIEM CAR AUCTION:

For Week Ending Dec 22
Above Average Below Oct 2010 Jun 2010 Dec 09
Sale Price $26,136 $24,185 $22,234 $24,463 $27,216 $0
Odometer 8,441 16,881 25,322 13,476 10,108 0

NISMO DEPRECIATION ON MANHIEM CAR AUCTION:

$27,000; MILES11,379
$29,600; MILES 12,183
$30,500; MILES 4,200

you will love 10k the first year on a nismo when they run 38-40k NEW

you will lose 3-5k the first year on a base when they run 29-34k NEW.

Well put billet very true!

Voiding the warranty is HUGE! The nismo says 40k but in sports cars they increase the price from 5-10k because of warranty. If you add the parts yourself you void the warranty and technically "lost" your money due to warranty.

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actually modding your car does not void your warranty. NOtice i didnt include twin turbo or supercharger. The items listed above do not void your warrenty. If your motor blows...it has nothing to do with exhaust and oil cooler and wheels and kit. Same with tranny. What else do you want covered? If the paint flakes, then they can test the body part and see whether you have painted it over. If your doing the new bumper lip and your roof starts to crack its paint ITS COVERED... what isnt covered????? urban legands

also I had the opinion of getting a NISMO and trust me, no person that has a nismo has found it near IMPOSSIBLE to find one... The NISMO is a 370z with NISMO PARTS. BIG DEAL not worth 10k xtra.... Funny i can get a used nismo with 27-31k but the used z are 23-29. A guy interested in buying a Z could by a slightly used nismo over new 370z for the SAME AMOUNT but chances are he will notice the depreciation and say ill get the non nismo instead.

I do not like nismo parts except my nismo black shifter knob. Everything else is overrated and OVERPRICED.... not crappy just not the best for the money. And thats an agreement everybody can agree on unless your crazy and think NISMO parts are gods picks are #1

Thats a VERY broad and subjective statement and I would feel very comfortable saying a nismo is better. But I am hardly objective in this.

I finally got a chance to address this post.

You cannot compare the Authentic Nismo kit with the longer nose front bumper and upgraded diffuser, sides, full rear bumper, and spoiler to any replica kit. The NISMO will still carry alot of it's value for years to come, the replica not so much.

Front Bumper with diffuser - $800
Sideskirts - $500
Rear bumper - $800
Spoiler - $900

Paint - Front bumper $300-$400, sides $300, rear $400, install for all three $200 typically what you will pay from a quality shop.
($1,300 at least total)

The rest of the items you were missing, and should also be highlighted because they are important to nerds like me.

-Akebono Brakes Typically $1,800 to $2,000 installed

-350hp engine Would take an install of intakes and exhaust to get close to this level. Currently $1,400 for quality parts of either

-NISMO-tuned dual exhaust with H-pipe configuration

$1,400 to purchase separately with $300 for the H-Pipe

-Nismo branded seats Would have to be custom made ($400+ per seat)

-Nismo floor mats $75

-Nismo Tachometer $700 - $800

-NISMO smooth leather-wrapped steering wheel $300 to get wrapped by an upholsterer

-NISMO smooth leather-wrapped shift knob $150

-NISMO signature red interior stitching $300+ from an upholsterer

-NISMO-tuned suspension with increased spring, dampening and stabilizer rates - $1,000

-NISMO reinforced 3-point front strut tower brace $200

-NISMO front and rear performance body dampers
- $400 each = $800 total

-SynchroRev & VLSD (included) $1,400 for VLSD by itself

--Special Edition RAYS wheels - $3,000

If you had built your car to the level of what the NISMO already includes (like I have tried to do with my Z33) it becomes a better value to just buy the NISMO instead and add a few mods afterwards IMO

if you were to get the NISMO appearance package and parts... Im not trying to show people how to replicate a Z into a NISMO.... the parts listed above are ENOUGH to surpass the nismo engine and performance.. Once parts installed spend one hour on tuning (100-250 dollar) and the car will be tuned to those parts and perform WAY BETTER THAN nismo. NIsmo engine, if im correct, are the same motors in the 370z just TUNED a bit more.

The Nismo 3grand wheels or 3-4 grand forged wheels like venaci, asanta, volk, forgestar..I would pick those but again major opinionated.

The brakes on the NISMO are better than factory base but 2 grand if bought separte at which rate i would spend the extra 1500, since IM obviously a brake fan and buy a better set of Big brake kits for around 3500. Obviously higher numbers in pistons and size can cost 3 grand just for front and 3 grand for back, even more but comparing to the nismo brake setup the rotera "spelling" or other brands out do the akabono.

You can find a brand new nismo anytime anywhere? Granted if you want to travel or ship it I suppose you could. Where I'm at there are only 3. And you must have the luck of the irish to have good shops all over the place, with professional people that will take care of your car like it was theirs. How much down time is that anyways for all those mods... We all know its not a huge difference in greatness over a regular Z but it is a little better for the stuff you do get, hence the price and yes there probably are other parts that are better than the nismo parts but its a complete package. Not this part from this place and that from that place. Like stated before you can add all the better parts to your base Z and it won't be worth anything. You may have a better handling or faster Z in the end but you will have wasted even more money because the aftermarket parts you did throw on aren't worth a flip when you go to trade or sell. WE NISMO owners KNOW a better faster car can be had and they should have made a bigger difference which I'm sure would have cost even more $$$. But for what it is, with what it comes with...... We didn't over pay for just a body kit. Again is the nismo worth it....YES. Is it for you? That's something else.

seriously... guy that started this topic.... give me the money and I will show you how the modded Z wins.

I will base the appearance on a survey of 100 random folks,
I will base the performance on a track and Drag strip
I will compare strength of products and maximum potential.

VIP Status's car, which is a modded Z, has the same kit i listed, rims are valued around 3K and I THINK that car looks better than a NISMO, minus the graphics because its not my cup of tea.... i think that's how the saying goes.

NO WAY NISMO is winning. Considering the fact NISMO owners have earned the name by buying NISMO cars says that all of you are in favor that the NISMO was worth the additional cash over the other Z packages so obviously your motivate was more than a car that looks cool. You wanted something MORE than the average Z owner... You paid an additional 10k for a car you expect to be grand but in terms of money spent your dollars could have beneifited you else where. If I had to choose from a 41K nismo, or a modded 41k 370z. I would select the one that out performs and in that case....DING DING DING, modded :)

I want a NISMO owner, year 2009, to take his car to a dealer and see how much you get? A modded Z gets no additional value on parts but you can do MUCH better selling your parts, place factory back on...MAKING MOST of your money back from the mods and selling car in the views of a dealer. Nismo... you lose much in depreciation, cant sell your parts off it since its a nismo and has to have the nismo parts over-wise its value lessen even more.

Whats sad.... a good percentage of NISMO owners dont even keep there car the way it is suppose to be when purchased and begin to mod it out..... SO u paid 10k extra and then changed those awesome wheels that all the NISMO guys on the370z.com love so much and you upgraded your brakes to the Akebono, which were used on 03-07 g35 and 350z...... but why??? cause they SUCK.

The dealer makes car mats, warranties, protection, opinions and etc SUCH A RIP OFF... dont you think that the same car with semi better parts is worth the 10k when they get those items for MUCH LESS? There ripping you off just like they did when they tried to sell you the 100 dollar key chain or 150 dollar carpet mats.... Your getting ripped off even more with a nismo that a dealer, which HALF the people here insult, recommends is the best way to mod your Z. They sold you that line and now your wondering how 40k last year turned into 30k today. AND YOUR PAYING INTEREST RATES ON THOSE NISMO PARTS lol... BORROW MORE AND PAY BACK MORE ON NISMO PARTS IS SUPER

I sound like a NISMO-racist.... but just felt like the NISMO guys posting things like "u wish you had selected one" is self centered. To think, I was able to by a 370z but not able to buy a nismo due to limitation or finances.... I could have choose among two nismos but decided that the car would be modded and not worth the investment.

hey buddy, you should just give up. you've been arguing the same points for the last few months. we've already gone over this time and time again. not only does your grammar make your posts incomprehensible, you fail to realize pricing is not set in stone. as ive said in my other posts, i got my nismo for farrrrr less than 39k before taxes. mileage may vary for everyone of course.

this thread has run its course..

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thats why you sell the aftermarket parts on the FORSALE section ;). You at least make 30-70 percent of your original investment back.

also if you were to buy all the parts at the same time, IM definitely positive the company could slide a discount or deal in there for you considering the extent of the products your purchased.

The items I listed I all bolt on and that means BOLT OFF. So at the end of the day, say you spend 10k...you may get back 3-7 grand depending on condition. Lose value by standard depreciation which is less in a Z than a NISMO.

Buy a set of Venaci wheels for 3-4 grand and you can easily get 2500-3000 back. Of course your going to say, why mod the car knowing your going to lose 500 to a grand on the wheels....SAME THING I ASK NISMO OWNERS...why spend 40k and then a year later its down to 30k. Ratio is WAY MORE but I guess the modded Z loses yet again against the monster NISMO.

imo, if you have to ask that question, it probably isn't worth it to you.
those who think it's worth it don't ask that question, they would just buy the car :)

Why didn't you just buy a mustang or camaro then? They can pull 1g on the skidpad easily with a little modding and the power mods will definitely give it the power boost that our Zs would love to have.

I strongly believe the nismo is well worth the extra cost. The nismo of course looks much better in my opinion than the base. I would of NEVER bought a base considering how ugly the fangs are.

As for the self-centered comment... you know you are in the nismo section... it isn't like this was posted in the regular threads just for everyone's attention.

I have another question though... Do you think the sports package is worth it?

Oh yea, as for the nismo being 39k. I actually got it for 37k before taxes and all the other BS.

i know... its just that today was my first day back into the office at 3 energy drinks is not great :). What can I say, I work for a law firm and arguing is something that Im good at lmao.

PS: explain why you think my grammar make my posts incomprehensible? otherthan the iphone typos that I face :) I thought my posts made sense or atleast ligible to where a valid point of view could be made.

I sorry for this talk I saw on here.... topic is dead we all win cause we all have Z's

i did think the sport package was worth it but not needed. Since the extra $$$ was only for the brakes, navi, and a few others.. The Rev Match thing is a plus but I didnt figured me rev matching it on my own was a little bit more fun :). IF the nismo came with leather, stereo was better.... THAN YES... I Would say its worth it... Considering thats the flagship Z, you would assume nissan would include but they didnt. Just added a list of performance parts that I believe should have been altered since the leather and stereo werent included. But oh well.... and I am only in the section because the main forum had it listed and I couldnt resist....

IF I saw a NISMO brother or sister.... I WOULD HUG you like family lmao....bridge the gap I say

PS: I have enough sense not to buy a camero or stang lol. Old car 350z, now 370z.... cant say my selection of cars separates me from this forums crowd ;)

I am trying to bring reason to the unreasonable, my post throughly gave a good reason to purchase the NISMO and you're just rambling.

Again I will reiterate that the value of the whole for what is included in the NISMO package is greater than what you could get from trying to replicate the same in mods thus if you are looking to buy a COMPLETE car that is tuned from the factory the NISMO is the way to go.

You know you wish you got a Nismo. J/K, Just had to throw that in there. We are not boasting about being able to purchase a Nismo were someone else couldn't. We are tired of people like you who say " we got ripped off " " We coulda shoulda " " For the money we coulda got this or that " Yes we understand all that. Good for you for getting your car for $29k and doing the mods you've done. And I'm sure you enjoy it and think it's worth every penny. But all the money you spent, again is not worth ANYTHING. When you go to sell or trade it's not worth anything. Which do you think is going to have more appeal a Nismo or a 370Z that someone modded. To an individual if you find that right person, may go for the modded vs Nismo. But more are going to go for the Untampered Nismo in a resale market. And taking all the mods off and trying to resale all those parts? What fantasy world do you live in where you think there is a vast amount of people that will pay top dollar for used parts for a 370z. You're stretching. Trying to justify your regular Z. NO ONE, EVER said a base Z is an unworthy purchase. I paid 37k for my Nismo otd. The Touring model that I looked at was 39k otd. Leather, auto, nav the whole nine. and I was seriously going to get it with all the options it had. There were many things that swayed me to the Nismo its not overboard with the mods to make it look rediculous. And to me and everyone I have come across say it is a great looking car. Better looking than a regular Z. Is it worth it........YES. Is it for you?

I know what your saying but you have the assumption that Im replicating the NISMO... The parts I listed SURPASS the NISMO. The NISMO Z does not set the bar for Z owners modding there base models or sports. The stillen headers, test pipes, exhaust, intakes, short throw, pulleys, tuning, 3 piece forged wheels, springs, EVEN OIL COOLER are things that even a NISMO can benefit from but yet those arent included. Some parts are similar but again a stillen 3rd gen intake and nismo intake may be the same to most folks but NISMO enthusiast and other car dudes know that the Stillen is a better setup over the nismo. Same with brakes and other parts. No one nismo part is ultimate or highly selected part among people looking to mod there cars. Some like to replicate but most Z owners choose to take there money and invest in BETTER parts as they know any part NISMO has on the car, can be purchased else where and perform similar or beyond expectations. Considering nismo shoppers want more than just the simple base or sport Z, i think its fair to say NIsmo owners care about the additional performance hence the reasoning behind the nismo purchase. All im saying is the you can spend the same amount of money and out perform the nismo package.

You're missing the point, it's a limited edition FACTORY tuned car.

The thread is titled is the NISMO worth it? Yes it is from what I and others have proved, can the performance be outmatched, yes it can. Can the performance, and exterior and extensive parts list be outmatched for the same value NO!!

well most people that mod there cars know not to trade in with mods. Usually people can sell most, if not all, there parts. Theres a market for people that want that stuff so selling it isnt impossible. If you scroll through the forsale section, most of the items on there or have been sold have seen return, not 100 percent, but nothing EYE DROPPING below 30-40 percent. Used intakes, exhaust and etc. Somebody buy a stillen exhaust for 1200 grand and I PROMISE YOU can sell it for 50-70 percent return. 600-800 on a used exhaust. Quick sell, make 50 percent back and sell for 600 and thats a DEAL

Anyways....im going to call it a tie

Fixed and tip your hostess on the way out

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Wow, you must have a lot of time on your hands. Which energy drink do you think is better.......for the money?

Haterade

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Anything can be outmatched.... Perform we agree upon but exterior you said NO.... A beautiful set of 3 piece forged wheels from HRE 19's or 20's are outmatched and value hold great. I have never seen a set of USED HRE's sell under 5 grand but yet they are fairly close to the msrp.... NISMO doesn't compare. Exterior is opinionated as many do not consider the NISMO kit as the most attractive, me included. Looks good but definitely not top 3 kits for the Z for me.

I know what the thread is titled as I stated multiple times, in opinion form of course, its NOT worth it. Based on my post, I obviously know what the topic is labeled. You are basically favoring your side, just as I favor my side in this argument. BOth of us are responding or defending statements the exact same way. You are pro nismo and im not. You make points, I make points. You mention flaws, I mention flaws.

Some dude wants opinions and you think the whole world is going to agree with your statements? Obviously since this is posted on the form, he is somewhat unsure if the value or cost is worth it. Which in return is shows us that another person has doubt in the NISMO package.

PS: Just saw a guy on the forums wanting to sell his NIsmo brake set, from NISMO 370z for better brakes... WHY NOT buy the base or sports, and then build on from there? eliminating NISMO parts is the whole reason you drive a NISMO. Sad when you see NISMO owners replacing nismo parts. They dont even believe there the best out there.

To answer your question, I had three sugar free rockstars, 16 oz and vacation mode for 1 week and a half. Work and evening classes return next week so Im enjoying my time off.

And if NISMO were to make an energy drink, I would argue that its the best bang for your buck lmao...

BTW this should be a sticky for new non-z members looking at buying a nismo.... They need to view this valuable 11 page book of information on nismo worthiness :)

It's a free country, everyone is entitled to their own opinion. I just wanted to clear up some facts.

FYI, the NISMO has Akebonos just like the Sport model, there is no such thing as NISMO branded brakes.

Forward me the link, I may want to buy those brakes :tup:

I know they are called Akebonos as you can see on page 8 or 9 or maybe 10 lol. I acknowledged them as Akebonos ;)

http://www.the370z.com/parts-sale-pr...4-pot-bbk.html forth post from the beginning of topic.

I think she is worth it..:)

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Is that the nismo exhaust? ;)

All I have been reading from you is how much money you can save by making a regular Z into a nismo or better. If you want to really go down that path then you might as well say that 370z is not worth it and you should get a different car if you want to save as much money as you can with gaining as much performance right?

I see a dozen Z's everyday where I live, but I have not yet to find one nismo. Maybe im unlucky, maybe I am not, I like the fact that its rare and a special edition. Touring sport and the nismo price difference is not that big.


This is the way I see it, do you want to keep your car stock? Go for the nismo, if you want to mod the car then don't because you will be replacing the parts. This is not a very hard decision.