the other 18 hp
 

I was curious where the Nizmo gets the other 18 HP that the base model doesnt have. it's not in the motor is it. Is it the exhaust?

Excellent question!:tiphat:

New exhaust, ECM control, 400rpm extra, ....Not 100% sure on it all b/c I havent paid much attention to the Nismo due to the high price.....some searching should help out though. IMO, the minor HP gain isnt worth it if you plan to modify the car.

it is a ECU tune and the exhaust

Then why not do that to the everday 370Z?

Well I am not sure how much HP the different exhaust cut out gives. The Nismo uses a H style. Linked for example

Difference Between Regular 370Z exhaust vs Nismo 370Z exhaust - Nismo 350Z / Nismo 370Z Enthusiast Community

Not sure if he was asking us a question right there or his original post was trying to test us....

Hey, rep point for you!:tiphat:

you can do that to the everyday z but better you can get way better exhaust and a better ecu tune but the nismo is a "track version" so it had to be a bit better than stock and some people like the idea of the nismo package such as myself

Question. If you feel you know all of these answers why bother to post this thread?

Nismo being a "track version" I dont care to hear. If you give me a base 370z and then give me the extra in cash I would save from buying a Nismo your "track version" wouldnt matter. I would outperform you either way. Like I said if you want to mod dont just buy Nismo for the name. You would be swapping out stock parts for the same stuff people with a base Z would be buying...only thing is you got suckered into paying more bank.

i dont have a nismo and i completely agree with what your saying. idk where you get that i know all the answers. i didnt post this thread im just saying that you can do all the same things to a regular z

Just the way you posted some things in here. I dont know maybe missing some punctuation from you is misleading for me. If you dont mean it that way I apologize. Just this quote here gave me the impression

Once again, I apologize if I misunderstood.

no its fine yeah i didnt mean to be misleading about what i was trying to say.

The Nismo is NOT just the exhaust and tune. I know these threads show up every month or two, but it's still being over simplified.

Struts, Springs, "Exhaust", "Tune", Special Edition 19x9.5/10.5 Rays Wheels, Front and Rear Dampers, Body Kit, Custom Stitching on Cloth.

Plus all the benefits of the Sport package: 4-piston/2-piston Calipers, VLSD, SRM

He was asking about the 18hp. Not suspension/wheels/aero

yes i know. i went the extra mile while on my kinda-rant lol

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They say for every 100 lbs = roughly -.01 for your ET at the end of the 1/4 mile. A rule of thumb of course but the NISMO ways about 70lbs more than a base with sport pkg. I think that extra 70lbs might even it out in straights. Plus there have already been exhausts dyno proven to put about an extra 18hp to the fly wheel anyway. I think that a non NISMO will see a much better gain from lets say the FI cat back vs a NISMO Z. Reason is because if the NISMO's exhaust is designed to allow the gases to exit faster than its alreayd doing part of the job that a true dual exhaust will achieve. The tune I don't know much about but I would imagine they basically leaned it out and the 400 extra rpms is done with an ECU respec anyway and more. In the end, if you modded BOTH cars with the same parts and tuned both cars, I think the power would be nearly identicle. I don't know of any members who own NISMO's and have modded their car beyond the almost normal intake and cat back, but I bet you the NISMO won't see as big of a gain since both engines are the same, except one is already tweaked. If I were going to buy a NISMO, it wouldn't be because of the extra 18hp, it would be because of everything that comes with it, including the name.

The rev limit is the same in the Nismo. The 8100 redline guys typically have Cobbs.

Interesting. The exhaust set up on the Nismo is almost identical to the setup of my Borla dual exhaust.

I'm extremely new here so please go easy on me (unless I say something absolutely stupid - which might actually occur in this post :) ). I've been reading alot about the Nismo 370Z and many folks say all the extra stuff is "overpriced" and some actually say its "a waste of money". Could somone actually outline with real data what it would take to modify a Base 370Z with Sports Package to be equal to or better than a Nismo 370Z? For the sake of argument, let's use MSRP so everything is equal (conservative in my opinion) and call it $7,000 difference in cost between the two and let's assume I am a capable person that can do some car work myself. What could I do to Base+SP for that amount? The best possible outcome would be a car faster in the straights and the twisties so let's shoot for that.

Thanks, Lin

I just went to AAM and grabbed a few SKUs so here we go...

AAM 2.5" Dual Exhaust (Better than the NISMO) - $1,295.00
KW Coilovers (Better than the NISMO) - $2,095.00
Cobb AccessPort (Better than the NISMO) - $695.00
Cobb Tuning (You won't have the software required) - approx. $150 (just a guess)

Total: $4,235

I think Forged also has wheels and such so here:

Advan Wheels (Only ones on their site with a price) - $2,350 (These are 18's so 19's will be more, so we'll say $3,000 to be conservative)

Grand Total: $7,235

Keep in mind that all of these components will be BETTER than the NISMO, except maybe the wheels.

Also you will be lacking the Body Kit as well as the Dampers.

Performance-wise the Cobb, Struts/Springs, and Exhaust are really the only things worth worrying about.

Speaking of Cobb, do they support the NISMO ECU? UPREV??? I sent Cobb an email about it, but haven't received a reply. Just curious if any current NISMO guys have gone with one of the tuning solutions.

Nissan can change maps all they want. If someone hasn't done it already I'll try to download a factory map for my car when I finally get around to getting a tune. It'll be a while tho heh.

Roger that. I may go with AAM's TT kit, but that won't be for a little while (if I actually do it). I am also contemplating staying NA and going with the F.I. LTHs and CBE (trading my BERK GB#2 spot). Either way I plan on getting a tune, but we will see what happens. When I get back to the States, I plan on hitting some of the meets/cruises around your area. Thanks Vipor.

Rob

Very nice - I've seen quite a few of your other posts so I'm gonna give you a +1 rep on that, but I also have some follow-ups:

• Where can I find out more on the Cobb Tuning software? I found some sites that talked about it but not many of them seemed to be selling it - is it something for Custom Tuning shops only?
• Are the rims in the Sports Package that much worse than the NISMO's or Advan rims to warrant another $3k expense?
• Any links you can give me that backup the "better than the NISMO" comment? No disrespect, I just like to read up on this stuff in my spare time.

Thanks again for your quick response.

1 - CobbTuning.com - Home Page They have a dealer search on there to find a local shop with the appropriate hardware/software to tune your car properly.

2 - The NISMO wheels are wider front and rear, and (I assume) lighter, although both are forged RAYS. The Sport wheels are pretty nice IMO. I'd get some Volks if I didn't have a NISMO.

3 - The NISMO exhaust is merely just the stock exhaust with the muffler housing re-worked to be a dual system instead of a shared muffler. It's really kind of a POS as far as how it relates to true CBEs.
The NISMO springs and struts are just that, springs and struts. Coilovers will give you not only ride height options but also stiffness adjustments.
The NISMO "tune" is really not very well known about, while COBB will allow you to have many different customizable maps for things like MPG, Everyday, Track, Drag, and even Valet mode (which I love.) The maps are stored within the unit and can be changed easily in a parking lot.

I just read all about Cobbs accessPORT, pretty nice device. I'm certainly going to look into getting one of them when it comes time to tune. Pretty versitle tool.

i have a AP it currently doesn't read my ecu cobb are working on it

well that's balls...

Vipor:

Do you have a Cobb AP? I have been poking around asking if the NISMO Z is supported by the Cobb AP. Cobb hasn't replied to my email yet and Google hasn't returned any definitive results (that aren't blocked by our firewall).

VH370ZNISMO:

Your Cobb AP is returning an error before it accesses the ECU? Do you have to have a Cobb AP to access their forums. It was like that with the Apexi Power FC.

Nope, don't have a Cobb. I think Motoextreme has the most modified NISMO on the forums at the moment, so he might have it or another brand like UpRev.

This is yet another reason for me to take it slow with the upgrades. I still have to pick my NISMO up, lol.

I don't understand the AP idea to be honest. My plan is get full bolt ons, which I already have (well I wont have the FI LTH until April probably) and get a tune on a dyno like I did in my RSX. Cobb can make these maps but are they really the best tune for your car? I am really hoping to get about 50 ponys with full bolt ons and a tune but we will see. I think since this car has a dual intake it can be tuned more aggressively than others when staying NA.

What you're missing there TARD is the fact that there are very few products that can manipulate Nissan ECU's. It has been this way for many years across most of their products. In the past the only way to get a tune was to send your ECU to Jim Wolf and tell them what you were looking for and what you had done to your car. Thankfully now we have UpRev and COBB both working on unlocking the full potential of our ECU. Unfortunately they are running into speedbumps like the VVEL.

lol did he just call me a TARD? I thought there were a few companies who can already control every aspect of the ECU's technology. FI's tuner seems to be able to as well as GTM. I see why the AP would be handy for new maps and updates but I would still prefer them to tune it on a dyno that way I know for sure.

I got my ap from akuma motorsports they took a copy of the data on the ecu and sent it to cobb will call them tomorrow to see whats going on

Good stuff. I hope that they will use your ECU data to get your AP working properly. That would mean good things for the rest of the NISMO folks also.