Stillen headers?

stiso · 12-24-2009, 03:07 AM

Have burks HFC and just got headers from stillen, probably going to return them after seeing fast intentions long tube headers, but have a thought....with nismos tune and the fact that i will definitely install the stillen supercharger once released, should i just keep them? I know the 370z without a tune is showing minimal hp gain/torque gain, but it seems that it might show greater gains and benefit with the tune and increased airflow from a supercharger, while still keeping the HFC (I live in cali, and don't want to get towed for no cats)

motoextreme · 12-24-2009, 12:55 PM

You've heard of people getting towed for no CAT's? How would they know?

I'm going with FI's although I really do like Stillen. Figure Stillen will get enough of my $ with the SC kit unless of course GTM comes out with a Superior one sooner.

I'm really curious to what this system will cost.....hmmmm....

motoextreme · 12-24-2009, 12:56 PM

PS. I have a buddy that takes care of E Tests too, been doing so for a VERY long time so not worried about that either.

matrix_square · 12-26-2009, 07:30 PM

i called stillen and they didnt recommend running the all their bolt-ons?

They said you can use 3 out of 4. E.g. Intake, Exhaust and HFC. Or Intake, header and exhaust. If you run all 4 the car will run very lean.... Isnt there an Uprev tuning available if you plan on running all the stillen bolt-ons.

G37Sam · 12-26-2009, 08:33 PM

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Originally Posted by matrix_square

i called stillen and they didnt recommend running the all their bolt-ons?

They said you can use 3 out of 4. E.g. Intake, Exhaust and HFC. Or Intake, header and exhaust. If you run all 4 the car will run very lean.... Isnt there an Uprev tuning available if you plan on running all the stillen bolt-ons.

Did they really say that?

Someone dishing out 3-4k on mods and install can spend another 500 to tune IMO, don't expect much leaning out from their headers anyways, they're like the stock ones with some polish & badging.

Dreadnaught · 12-26-2009, 09:16 PM

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Originally Posted by G37Sam

Did they really say that?

Someone dishing out 3-4k on mods and install can spend another 500 to tune IMO, don't expect much leaning out from their headers anyways, they're like the stock ones with some polish & badging.

^Agreed, get your tune done if you have full bolt ons. Whats another 500-750 bucks. Get a tune and get the most out of your mods.

SilverBullet · 12-26-2009, 09:18 PM

There is not that much they can do with tuning right now. There is a lot that they still have to crack on the vq37.

G37Sam · 12-26-2009, 09:20 PM

Silver you don't have to mess with the VVEL and Timing, just adjust the A/F ratio to be in the safe region that's all

SilverBullet · 12-26-2009, 09:21 PM

Yea. That will help with running rich/lean. To get some more power, you have to adjust timing.

matrix_square · 12-26-2009, 10:00 PM

i meant i was looking for a tune for this... i will be going to forge performance in marietta probably for any tuning i want to do. I was worried that the gains from intake/header/exhaust/hfc was not going to net 60 whp... I guess the baseline dyno for our cars are about 250-270... I wanted to reach atleast 320`s before thinking of getting the stillen/vortech SC.

SilverBullet · 12-26-2009, 10:07 PM

There was a guy on myg37 with intakes, FI CBE, and test pipes that got 335 whp with tune.

G37Sam · 12-26-2009, 10:41 PM

Oh man there we go again with people being too anal on numbers.. man these numbers don't mean anything honestly.. Chamelion's dyno read 300whp just with HFC's I believe

G37Sam · 12-26-2009, 10:51 PM

the big deal is, you dyno the same car on the same dyno 2 times and you get numbers that vary + or - 5 whp for instance. Yet people keep talking about dyno numbers like they're God sent, they're just measurements man.

SilverBullet · 12-26-2009, 10:53 PM

Ok, we'll just rely on butt dynos then.

semtex · 12-31-2009, 09:17 AM

I'm taking my Stillen headers out if anyone wants to buy them. It'll be a few months before I take them out though.

12-24-2009, 03:07 AM	#1 (permalink)
stiso Base Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: z Posts: 42 Drives: z Rep Power: 15	Stillen headers? Have burks HFC and just got headers from stillen, probably going to return them after seeing fast intentions long tube headers, but have a thought....with nismos tune and the fact that i will definitely install the stillen supercharger once released, should i just keep them? I know the 370z without a tune is showing minimal hp gain/torque gain, but it seems that it might show greater gains and benefit with the tune and increased airflow from a supercharger, while still keeping the HFC (I live in cali, and don't want to get towed for no cats)

12-24-2009, 12:55 PM	#2 (permalink)
motoextreme Track Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Chino Hills, CA Posts: 971 Drives: Nismo NO MODS! Rep Power: 369	You've heard of people getting towed for no CAT's? How would they know? I'm going with FI's although I really do like Stillen. Figure Stillen will get enough of my $ with the SC kit unless of course GTM comes out with a Superior one sooner. I'm really curious to what this system will cost.....hmmmm.... __________________ Fast Intensions / NST / Mishimoto / Alpine / JDM / Volk / Brembo / Rotora / Seibon / Stillen / Password: JDM / KW / MR Works / RAW / Sun Auto / B&M / Amplified Motorsports

12-24-2009, 12:56 PM	#3 (permalink)
motoextreme Track Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Chino Hills, CA Posts: 971 Drives: Nismo NO MODS! Rep Power: 369	PS. I have a buddy that takes care of E Tests too, been doing so for a VERY long time so not worried about that either. __________________ Fast Intensions / NST / Mishimoto / Alpine / JDM / Volk / Brembo / Rotora / Seibon / Stillen / Password: JDM / KW / MR Works / RAW / Sun Auto / B&M / Amplified Motorsports

12-26-2009, 07:30 PM	#4 (permalink)
matrix_square Enthusiast Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Atlanta Posts: 452 Drives: Evo9-S2K-RSX-S-Z370? Rep Power: 15	i called stillen and they didnt recommend running the all their bolt-ons? They said you can use 3 out of 4. E.g. Intake, Exhaust and HFC. Or Intake, header and exhaust. If you run all 4 the car will run very lean.... Isnt there an Uprev tuning available if you plan on running all the stillen bolt-ons. __________________ 2004 Honda S2000 GPW 2005 Honda S2000 Suzuka Blue 2005 Acura RSX Type-S PWP 2006 Mitsubishi Lancer EVO 9 MR Graphite Gray Nissan 370Z Monterrey Blue Sport/Touring/Nav package

12-26-2009, 09:20 PM	#8 (permalink)
G37Sam A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Dubai, UAE Posts: 1,507 Drives: RB'd G37 Rep Power: 20	Silver you don't have to mess with the VVEL and Timing, just adjust the A/F ratio to be in the safe region that's all __________________ '14 Viper GTS '08 RB'd G37S - Sold

12-26-2009, 09:18 PM	#7 (permalink)
SilverBullet Track Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: California Posts: 873 Drives: 2008 G37 Rep Power: 16	There is not that much they can do with tuning right now. There is a lot that they still have to crack on the vq37.

12-26-2009, 09:21 PM	#9 (permalink)
SilverBullet Track Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: California Posts: 873 Drives: 2008 G37 Rep Power: 16	Yea. That will help with running rich/lean. To get some more power, you have to adjust timing.

12-26-2009, 10:00 PM	#10 (permalink)
matrix_square Enthusiast Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Atlanta Posts: 452 Drives: Evo9-S2K-RSX-S-Z370? Rep Power: 15	i meant i was looking for a tune for this... i will be going to forge performance in marietta probably for any tuning i want to do. I was worried that the gains from intake/header/exhaust/hfc was not going to net 60 whp... I guess the baseline dyno for our cars are about 250-270... I wanted to reach atleast 320`s before thinking of getting the stillen/vortech SC. __________________ 2004 Honda S2000 GPW 2005 Honda S2000 Suzuka Blue 2005 Acura RSX Type-S PWP 2006 Mitsubishi Lancer EVO 9 MR Graphite Gray Nissan 370Z Monterrey Blue Sport/Touring/Nav package

12-26-2009, 10:07 PM	#11 (permalink)
SilverBullet Track Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: California Posts: 873 Drives: 2008 G37 Rep Power: 16	There was a guy on myg37 with intakes, FI CBE, and test pipes that got 335 whp with tune.

12-26-2009, 10:41 PM	#12 (permalink)
G37Sam A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Dubai, UAE Posts: 1,507 Drives: RB'd G37 Rep Power: 20	Oh man there we go again with people being too anal on numbers.. man these numbers don't mean anything honestly.. Chamelion's dyno read 300whp just with HFC's I believe __________________ '14 Viper GTS '08 RB'd G37S - Sold

12-26-2009, 10:51 PM	#13 (permalink)
G37Sam A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Dubai, UAE Posts: 1,507 Drives: RB'd G37 Rep Power: 20	the big deal is, you dyno the same car on the same dyno 2 times and you get numbers that vary + or - 5 whp for instance. Yet people keep talking about dyno numbers like they're God sent, they're just measurements man. __________________ '14 Viper GTS '08 RB'd G37S - Sold

12-26-2009, 10:53 PM	#14 (permalink)
SilverBullet Track Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: California Posts: 873 Drives: 2008 G37 Rep Power: 16	Ok, we'll just rely on butt dynos then.

12-31-2009, 09:17 AM	#15 (permalink)
semtex A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Behind enemy lines Age: 54 Posts: 5,995 Drives: People to drink Rep Power: 32	I'm taking my Stillen headers out if anyone wants to buy them. It'll be a few months before I take them out though. __________________ "There are no small accidents on this circuit." -- Ayrton Senna 316.8whp & 248 ft/lbs (Dyno Dynamics) \| 319whp & 256 ft/lbs (DynoJet) (04/23/10) Stillen G3 CAI, CBE, Pulley / F.I. LTH / GTSpec Ladder Brace / Setrab Oil Cooler / UpRev-tuned by Forged Perf.

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