New 2018 Nissan 370Z Nismo

jwick · 08-27-2018, 09:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cadoo

But I’m on ECUtek now NOT Uprev.
The hardware is fine.

UpRev is a perfectly acceptable tuning software. Sure Ecutek is better and has a few nice features but it can’t makeup for an ill designed kit. Chuck listed the Stillen kit issues.

Best of luck to you and hopefully you don’t have anymore issues. Whatever you do, don’t try for more power.

cadoo · 08-28-2018, 02:29 PM

Thank you for your guys concerns. I do appreciate it. I will update you guys on the tune progress. Thanks.

husam2012 · 08-30-2018, 03:53 PM

I can vouch that tuning these kits on Ecutek on Speed Density with an IAT sensor is very doable and that Eugene has the best implementation of the safety features needed in order to run this stock kit.

Granted, power isn't as good as A2A but is it still very reliable when tuned correctly.

I wouldn't have believed it last year but after driving Eugene's personal Stillen SC'd G37 and checking out the logs, it's amazing how it feels like a factory tuned car.

Kyle@STILLEN · 09-06-2018, 11:25 AM

With all due respect to Cadoo we feel it is important to clarify a few points and explain to the community exactly what happened. I do not believe that Cadoo is deliberately misinforming the community but there are some statements made in his posts that are incorrect and need to be clarified.

Cadoo stated “At first Stillen didn’t want to help, claimed I didn’t fill out the warranty or pay for it, (even though I have copies of it), and they denied everything and were no help at all.” This is incorrect. While Cadoo may have purchased the optional supplementary powertrain warranty his shop did not. We did not sell the kit to Cadoo it was sold to the installation shop and when completing our supercharger waiver form during the order process they elected not to purchase the warranty. Hence the reason we stated that there was no supplementary warranty coverage. Additionally, we worked with a third party shop to get the customers vehicle moved to the front of the line of their work load and to begin the tear down process. Our reason for wanting to do this is because a third party shop would be able to give a fair and unbiased explanation of exactly what occurred. Either Cadoo or his installation shop elected not to do this.

STILLEN and UPREV continued to work together in an effort to understand what occurred with this vehicle and why the engine failed. In doing so, UPREV studied the STILLEN tune file and confirmed that there was nothing of concern in the file. From there they took their in house 2018 test mule and loaded the STILLEN tune file on to this vehicle. At this time it was discovered that due to a technical error in the UPREV software the timing adjustments were not actually being made on 2018 vehicles. The adjustments were available to be made at the time the tune file was created but when the tune was loaded to the vehicle they were not actually being accepted.

Immediately upon discovering this UPREV stated that they were prepared to stand behind their product and made STILLEN the offer to retrieve the vehicle, replace the engine and ship the vehicle back to the customer at no out of pocket expense to the shop or the customer. Unfortunately, the shop performing the work had already replaced the engine so this was not possible and/or necessary. Regardless, UPREV has agreed to reimburse the shop for their full invoiced amount.

STILLEN and UPREV have been working together for a decade with excellent results. STILLEN is the only company in the world with a CARB exempt forced induction solution that also features an optional supplemental 3 year/36,000 mile warranty. We stand behind our partner in UPREV and we recognize that without their work and support over the years STILLEN would not have been able to achieve these goals. A mistake was made but they have done the right thing and they will be reimbursing the shop for their expenses. STILLEN has also changed our procedures in sending out tunes for 2017+ vehicles. The issue only seems to have affected 2018 vehicles but just to be safe we went back one year in case there were any “running production changes” made by NISSAN that may have affected this. Going forward STILLEN sends out a base file that is to be tested by the end user or the shop performing this installation prior to installing the supercharger system. This base file loads various parameters that are then monitored during a data log to be completed after the test file has been loaded. During the review of the data log we are able to see if all of our desired changes have taken effect. Once we confirm the changes have taken effect correctly we then create and distribute the appropriate supercharger file and approve the shop to proceed with the installation of the supercharger.

Both UPREV and STILLEN strive to offer the best Customer Service possible. No company is perfect and mistakes can happen but both companies work hard to right the wrongs and to take care of our customers.

ZontheRocks · 09-06-2018, 03:03 PM

Well thought out and easy to read response. All vendor representatives take note.

Thank you for sharing.

Bikeracer1098 · 09-11-2018, 07:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kyle@STILLEN

With all due respect to Cadoo we feel it is important to clarify a few points and explain to the community exactly what happened. I do not believe that Cadoo is deliberately misinforming the community but there are some statements made in his posts that are incorrect and need to be clarified.

Cadoo stated “At first Stillen didn’t want to help, claimed I didn’t fill out the warranty or pay for it, (even though I have copies of it), and they denied everything and were no help at all.” This is incorrect. While Cadoo may have purchased the optional supplementary powertrain warranty his shop did not. We did not sell the kit to Cadoo it was sold to the installation shop and when completing our supercharger waiver form during the order process they elected not to purchase the warranty. Hence the reason we stated that there was no supplementary warranty coverage. Additionally, we worked with a third party shop to get the customers vehicle moved to the front of the line of their work load and to begin the tear down process. Our reason for wanting to do this is because a third party shop would be able to give a fair and unbiased explanation of exactly what occurred. Either Cadoo or his installation shop elected not to do this.

STILLEN and UPREV continued to work together in an effort to understand what occurred with this vehicle and why the engine failed. In doing so, UPREV studied the STILLEN tune file and confirmed that there was nothing of concern in the file. From there they took their in house 2018 test mule and loaded the STILLEN tune file on to this vehicle. At this time it was discovered that due to a technical error in the UPREV software the timing adjustments were not actually being made on 2018 vehicles. The adjustments were available to be made at the time the tune file was created but when the tune was loaded to the vehicle they were not actually being accepted.

Immediately upon discovering this UPREV stated that they were prepared to stand behind their product and made STILLEN the offer to retrieve the vehicle, replace the engine and ship the vehicle back to the customer at no out of pocket expense to the shop or the customer. Unfortunately, the shop performing the work had already replaced the engine so this was not possible and/or necessary. Regardless, UPREV has agreed to reimburse the shop for their full invoiced amount.

STILLEN and UPREV have been working together for a decade with excellent results. STILLEN is the only company in the world with a CARB exempt forced induction solution that also features an optional supplemental 3 year/36,000 mile warranty. We stand behind our partner in UPREV and we recognize that without their work and support over the years STILLEN would not have been able to achieve these goals. A mistake was made but they have done the right thing and they will be reimbursing the shop for their expenses. STILLEN has also changed our procedures in sending out tunes for 2017+ vehicles. The issue only seems to have affected 2018 vehicles but just to be safe we went back one year in case there were any “running production changes” made by NISSAN that may have affected this. Going forward STILLEN sends out a base file that is to be tested by the end user or the shop performing this installation prior to installing the supercharger system. This base file loads various parameters that are then monitored during a data log to be completed after the test file has been loaded. During the review of the data log we are able to see if all of our desired changes have taken effect. Once we confirm the changes have taken effect correctly we then create and distribute the appropriate supercharger file and approve the shop to proceed with the installation of the supercharger.

Both UPREV and STILLEN strive to offer the best Customer Service possible. No company is perfect and mistakes can happen but both companies work hard to right the wrongs and to take care of our customers.

Kyle, many thanks for the clarification.
With regards to Stillen Customer care, I have been rather dissaponted by the lack of support from Stillen regarding the faulty throttle extension harness/lead on my car. This harness has become faulty within the first 12 months and I understand that Stillen have now modified this using larger wires due to previous issues. I have emailed Stillen on a number of occasion regarding this harness/lead and whether it will be replaced under warranty. Initially I did not receive any responses to my emails, however recently following a number of emails, Dean has responded informing me that he is able to sell me the complete set of MAF Extension harness/leads along with the throttle extension harness/lead for around $139 + shipping +Duty. Surely my faulty throttle extension harness/lead should be replaced as warranty/goodwill as it’s a known problem?
Thanks
Richard

cadoo · 10-28-2018, 02:39 PM

Oh wow! So I signed an agreement not to talk about what really happened. So since you are now posting your “Version” of what happened am I allowed to post mine? Kyle sorry but That’s your “version”. Anyway in the END Stillen and UPrev stepped up and handled everything Professionally.

cadoo · 10-28-2018, 02:41 PM

New video of the Nismo. On ECUTek tune. https://youtu.be/4caH9BeisnQ

Quicksilvers · 10-31-2018, 01:53 AM

^Congratulations with your results and enjoy your Nismo Z!!

08-30-2018, 03:53 PM	#108 (permalink)
husam2012 Track Member Join Date: Mar 2015 Location: Michigan Posts: 550 Drives: 370Z Nismo Rep Power: 9469	I can vouch that tuning these kits on Ecutek on Speed Density with an IAT sensor is very doable and that Eugene has the best implementation of the safety features needed in order to run this stock kit. Granted, power isn't as good as A2A but is it still very reliable when tuned correctly. I wouldn't have believed it last year but after driving Eugene's personal Stillen SC'd G37 and checking out the logs, it's amazing how it feels like a factory tuned car. __________________ Creator of the GTR TT Conversion Kit, NA Record Holder (401WHP) Ecutek Master Tuner (VQ37, VR30, VR38, B58, S55, S58) BTWTuning

09-06-2018, 11:25 AM	#109 (permalink)
Kyle@STILLEN The370Z.com Sponsor Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Newport Beach Posts: 626 Drives: Toyota Tundra Rep Power: 307	With all due respect to Cadoo we feel it is important to clarify a few points and explain to the community exactly what happened. I do not believe that Cadoo is deliberately misinforming the community but there are some statements made in his posts that are incorrect and need to be clarified. Cadoo stated “At first Stillen didn’t want to help, claimed I didn’t fill out the warranty or pay for it, (even though I have copies of it), and they denied everything and were no help at all.” This is incorrect. While Cadoo may have purchased the optional supplementary powertrain warranty his shop did not. We did not sell the kit to Cadoo it was sold to the installation shop and when completing our supercharger waiver form during the order process they elected not to purchase the warranty. Hence the reason we stated that there was no supplementary warranty coverage. Additionally, we worked with a third party shop to get the customers vehicle moved to the front of the line of their work load and to begin the tear down process. Our reason for wanting to do this is because a third party shop would be able to give a fair and unbiased explanation of exactly what occurred. Either Cadoo or his installation shop elected not to do this. STILLEN and UPREV continued to work together in an effort to understand what occurred with this vehicle and why the engine failed. In doing so, UPREV studied the STILLEN tune file and confirmed that there was nothing of concern in the file. From there they took their in house 2018 test mule and loaded the STILLEN tune file on to this vehicle. At this time it was discovered that due to a technical error in the UPREV software the timing adjustments were not actually being made on 2018 vehicles. The adjustments were available to be made at the time the tune file was created but when the tune was loaded to the vehicle they were not actually being accepted. Immediately upon discovering this UPREV stated that they were prepared to stand behind their product and made STILLEN the offer to retrieve the vehicle, replace the engine and ship the vehicle back to the customer at no out of pocket expense to the shop or the customer. Unfortunately, the shop performing the work had already replaced the engine so this was not possible and/or necessary. Regardless, UPREV has agreed to reimburse the shop for their full invoiced amount. STILLEN and UPREV have been working together for a decade with excellent results. STILLEN is the only company in the world with a CARB exempt forced induction solution that also features an optional supplemental 3 year/36,000 mile warranty. We stand behind our partner in UPREV and we recognize that without their work and support over the years STILLEN would not have been able to achieve these goals. A mistake was made but they have done the right thing and they will be reimbursing the shop for their expenses. STILLEN has also changed our procedures in sending out tunes for 2017+ vehicles. The issue only seems to have affected 2018 vehicles but just to be safe we went back one year in case there were any “running production changes” made by NISSAN that may have affected this. Going forward STILLEN sends out a base file that is to be tested by the end user or the shop performing this installation prior to installing the supercharger system. This base file loads various parameters that are then monitored during a data log to be completed after the test file has been loaded. During the review of the data log we are able to see if all of our desired changes have taken effect. Once we confirm the changes have taken effect correctly we then create and distribute the appropriate supercharger file and approve the shop to proceed with the installation of the supercharger. Both UPREV and STILLEN strive to offer the best Customer Service possible. No company is perfect and mistakes can happen but both companies work hard to right the wrongs and to take care of our customers. jwick, ltullos, Hotrodz and 12 others like this.

09-06-2018, 03:03 PM	#110 (permalink)
ZontheRocks Track Member Join Date: Mar 2017 Location: Central Florida Posts: 959 Drives: 2016 Nissan PW 370Z Rep Power: 34535	Well thought out and easy to read response. All vendor representatives take note. Thank you for sharing. Kyle@STILLEN and hustleman222 like this.

10-28-2018, 02:39 PM	#112 (permalink)
cadoo Base Member Join Date: Apr 2018 Location: Lincoln city OR Posts: 56 Drives: 2018 370z NISMO Tech Rep Power: 7	Oh wow! So I signed an agreement not to talk about what really happened. So since you are now posting your “Version” of what happened am I allowed to post mine? Kyle sorry but That’s your “version”. Anyway in the END Stillen and UPrev stepped up and handled everything Professionally. Last edited by cadoo; 10-28-2018 at 03:08 PM.

10-31-2018, 01:53 AM	#114 (permalink)
Quicksilvers A True Z Fanatic Join Date: May 2017 Location: Atlanta, GA Posts: 2,039 Drives: 2017 370z Rep Power: 25463	^Congratulations with your results and enjoy your Nismo Z!! cadoo likes this.

08-28-2018, 02:29 PM	#107 (permalink)
cadoo Base Member Join Date: Apr 2018 Location: Lincoln city OR Posts: 56 Drives: 2018 370z NISMO Tech Rep Power: 7	Thank you for your guys concerns. I do appreciate it. I will update you guys on the tune progress. Thanks.

10-28-2018, 02:41 PM	#113 (permalink)
cadoo Base Member Join Date: Apr 2018 Location: Lincoln city OR Posts: 56 Drives: 2018 370z NISMO Tech Rep Power: 7	New video of the Nismo. On ECUTek tune. https://youtu.be/4caH9BeisnQ

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