petrol E10 in Germany

fabrizio7661 · 03-14-2011, 05:44 PM

Hallo, i have just filled the tank (just 30 €) of my 370z with a new petrol E 10 launched in Germany at the beginning of January.
Can you please let me know if is it indicated for the engine?
Thnaks
Fabrizio

Wrenise · 03-14-2011, 05:49 PM

Not sure about the long term effects, but the engine can accept E10. It will burn faster since it's rated at 95 octane. I started using it in my 2008 Chevy Malibu and haven't had any issues.

Jordo! · 03-14-2011, 05:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wrenise

Not sure about the long term effects, but the engine can accept E10. It will burn faster since it's rated at 95 octane. I started using it in my 2008 Chevy Malibu and haven't had any issues.

Huh? Higher octane means harder to ignite.

Wrenise · 03-14-2011, 06:18 PM

I don't know, all I know is my MPG dropped after switching to E10.

TreeSemdyZee · 03-14-2011, 06:36 PM

Most gasoline in the U.S. is 10% alcohol, whether it is marked that way or not.

Wrenise · 03-14-2011, 07:04 PM

We are not in the US. Most Germans do not even know what E10 is. There are campaigns to AVOID this fuel as they claim it does more harm then good. All the station here now have signs saying to check your car before pumping the gas as it can cause irreversible damage to your engine. This is the first time it has been sold here in Germany.

Now, having been using fuel in Germany, that is clearly marked 5% 90 OCT, (lowest grade you can buy) and filling up with E10 95 OCT, I have noticed a increase in my fuel usage by at least 50km on 50 liters of fuel.

TreeSemdyZee · 03-14-2011, 08:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wrenise

We are not in the US. Most Germans do not even know what E10 is. There are campaigns to AVOID this fuel as they claim it does more harm then good. All the station here now have signs saying to check your car before pumping the gas as it can cause irreversible damage to your engine. This is the first time it has been sold here in Germany.

Now, having been using fuel in Germany, that is clearly marked 5% 90 OCT, (lowest grade you can buy) and filling up with E10 95 OCT, I have noticed a increase in my fuel usage by at least 50km on 50 liters of fuel.

I know you're not in the U.S. I was just inferring that we use fuel here with alcohol and it seems to work OK. Is it as good a 100% gas. Unequivocally no.
Anything the oil companies can do to lessen the quality of the fuel while charging more seems to be the order of the day.

fabrizio7661 · 03-15-2011, 04:49 AM

So i think that after finishing the 30 € E 10 petrol i have in the tank i will do a full tank at 98 Oktan!....
What do you think? do you agree?

dang370z · 03-15-2011, 09:07 AM

a full tank of E10 will give you less miles then a full tank of pure gas. Here in the US pure gas is rarely used

ChrisSlicks · 03-15-2011, 09:57 AM

Yeah the US has been stuck with E10 for quite a while, gas mileage suffers as a result and older cars suffer damage to rubber seals, gaskets and lines. The ethanol also tends to absorb water which is bad for cars that sit for long periods of time. The is also talk of raising the US standard to E15 or even E20 which would do even more damage.

If you can still get pure petrol in Europe take it while you can get it.

Europe 98 RON = US 93 AKI
Europe 95 RON = US 90/91 AKI

03-14-2011, 05:44 PM	#1 (permalink)
fabrizio7661 Base Member Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Frankfurt am Main Posts: 2 Drives: 370z lev 2, 7/2009, Rep Power: 14	petrol E10 in Germany Hallo, i have just filled the tank (just 30 €) of my 370z with a new petrol E 10 launched in Germany at the beginning of January. Can you please let me know if is it indicated for the engine? Thnaks Fabrizio

03-15-2011, 09:57 AM	#10 (permalink)
ChrisSlicks A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: North East Posts: 6,203 Drives: 09 370Z Sport M6 Rep Power: 653	Yeah the US has been stuck with E10 for quite a while, gas mileage suffers as a result and older cars suffer damage to rubber seals, gaskets and lines. The ethanol also tends to absorb water which is bad for cars that sit for long periods of time. The is also talk of raising the US standard to E15 or even E20 which would do even more damage. If you can still get pure petrol in Europe take it while you can get it. Europe 98 RON = US 93 AKI Europe 95 RON = US 90/91 AKI __________________ Hotchkis ARB \| Stillen CAI \| Art Pipes \| Berk CBE \| Stillen AP Racing Brakes \| AE Performance Oil Cooler \| BC Racing ER Coilovers \| Doran Control Arms

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Wrenise Base Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Kaiserslautern Germany Posts: 59 Drives: 2011 G37S 6MT Sedan Rep Power: 14	Not sure about the long term effects, but the engine can accept E10. It will burn faster since it's rated at 95 octane. I started using it in my 2008 Chevy Malibu and haven't had any issues.

03-14-2011, 06:18 PM	#4 (permalink)
Wrenise Base Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Kaiserslautern Germany Posts: 59 Drives: 2011 G37S 6MT Sedan Rep Power: 14	I don't know, all I know is my MPG dropped after switching to E10.

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TreeSemdyZee Premium Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Kentuck-IANA Age: 60 Posts: 4,885 Drives: '09 370 & ‘14 Juke Rep Power: 27408	Most gasoline in the U.S. is 10% alcohol, whether it is marked that way or not.

03-14-2011, 07:04 PM	#6 (permalink)
Wrenise Base Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Kaiserslautern Germany Posts: 59 Drives: 2011 G37S 6MT Sedan Rep Power: 14	We are not in the US. Most Germans do not even know what E10 is. There are campaigns to AVOID this fuel as they claim it does more harm then good. All the station here now have signs saying to check your car before pumping the gas as it can cause irreversible damage to your engine. This is the first time it has been sold here in Germany. Now, having been using fuel in Germany, that is clearly marked 5% 90 OCT, (lowest grade you can buy) and filling up with E10 95 OCT, I have noticed a increase in my fuel usage by at least 50km on 50 liters of fuel.

03-15-2011, 04:49 AM	#8 (permalink)
fabrizio7661 Base Member Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Frankfurt am Main Posts: 2 Drives: 370z lev 2, 7/2009, Rep Power: 14	So i think that after finishing the 30 € E 10 petrol i have in the tank i will do a full tank at 98 Oktan!.... What do you think? do you agree?

03-15-2011, 09:07 AM	#9 (permalink)
dang370z Base Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: NoLA Posts: 242 Drives: 2013 MBlack Rep Power: 16	a full tank of E10 will give you less miles then a full tank of pure gas. Here in the US pure gas is rarely used